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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kits wise, it’s really not that many either. And I suspect I’m not the only gamer out there for whom “that’s still a lot of resin, and I hate working with resin” currently put off considering a Mechanicum army.

The odd bit of resin here and there, special characters and upgrades? Those I’m largely OK with. But units really should be plastic if I’m to drop some cash.

I'm not opposed to resin but to GWs prices of resin kits.

Bit of both for me.

Resin isn’t just expensive, it’s too expensive for me to risk arseing it right up. Smaller units? Not so bad. But big stuff, where I have to position legs on ball joints etc? Uh uh. Not a chance.

So Thallax and Ursurax will probably share the body sprue, and same with Domitar and Arlatax

GW snuck the model for Arlatax Battle-automata into the LI box set.

So all they need to do now is select 'enlarge' to 28mm scale and then 'print', right?

Not actually at all how that works for plastics manufacturing, but it tells us that GW probably has sculpted it in 28mm in parallel as they do cross reference full scale geometry to produce the LI minis

Never realized Vorax had the same size as Castellax (admittedly never saw any Mechanicum models in real life ), I thought Vorax were much smaller, but they look the same size here.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Never realized Vorax had the same size as Castellax (admittedly never saw any Mechanicum models in real life ), I thought Vorax were much smaller, but they look the same size here.

Slightly shorter but a bit wider whilst being spindly.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
So Thallax and Ursurax will probably share the body sprue, and same with Domitar and Arlatax

I doubt it for both. The Ursarax have their chest-mounted Volkite emitter and the Arlatax “head” and “neck” look completely different to the Domitar.

The Ursarax will probably use the Thallax leg sprue, as they look the same to me?

From WarCom:

Here at Warhammer Community, there’s a big change coming this week that we can’t wait to unveil, as well as more from the Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl Team and the return of – gasp! – Heresy Thursday.

C'mon melee weapons...

I’ll second that!

FAQ, also can i still run the PDF that first introduced daemonengines for reasonable acces to that strain of cyberthurgy?

Not Online!!! wrote:
FAQ, also can i still run the PDF that first introduced daemonengines for reasonable acces to that strain of cyberthurgy?

Sure. The Arcana is now Æthertek and you miss out two beneficial rules, but the rest is the same - the rite, the weapon and all the Daemon engines.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
FAQ, also can i still run the PDF that first introduced daemonengines for reasonable acces to that strain of cyberthurgy?

Sure. The Arcana is now Æthertek and you miss out two beneficial rules, but the rest is the same - the rite, the weapon and all the Daemon engines.

I have the book, my question is if i can still take the cybertheurgy for any traitor cybertheurgist like the PDF stated one could with a traitor allegiance.

Because without that, this is actually dumb, seeing as daemonengines require more support than bots and yet the availability of the cybertheurgy is down to a single Guy without that access.
Congrats gw, you Made daemonengines even worse somehow

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
FAQ, also can i still run the PDF that first introduced daemonengines for reasonable acces to that strain of cyberthurgy?

Sure. The Arcana is now Æthertek and you miss out two beneficial rules, but the rest is the same - the rite, the weapon and all the Daemon engines.

I have the book, my question is if i can still take the cybertheurgy for any traitor cybertheurgist like the PDF stated one could with a traitor allegiance.

Because without that, this is actually dumb, seeing as daemonengines require more support than bots and yet the availability of the cybertheurgy is down to a single Guy without that access.
Congrats gw, you Made daemonengines even worse somehow

It's a non-Marine release(not that you'd know it from the fluff in the book), so it's as half-bummed as everything else in that vein. On the surface there are lots of cool things, but when you look closer to realize most of them only work together in a small number of limited combinations and there's random splits in the rules that aren't suggested by the fluff - the almost complete lack of overlap between boosting rules for daemon engines(which you're likely to have very few of absent one specific combo of arcana, trait, and list) and the ones for evil robots(which would seem like the ideal "troop choice" for an army that contains daemon engines especially given that one of the few solid bits of mechanicum fluff in the mars book is that the former are a direct outgrowth of experimentation with the latter by Chrom, and he uses both together repeatedly in the course of the narrative) is bonkers.

 Nevelon wrote:
From WarCom:

Here at Warhammer Community, there’s a big change coming this week that we can’t wait to unveil, as well as more from the Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl Team and the return of – gasp! – Heresy Thursday.

Let's hope they want to kick of the re-boot of Heresy Thursday with something significant, and not just a FW resin character. I feel that the Mechanicum need a second wave of releases. The Vultarax and one of the Krios variants are 'sold out online', so maybe they will appear...

 Snord wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
From WarCom:

Here at Warhammer Community, there’s a big change coming this week that we can’t wait to unveil, as well as more from the Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl Team and the return of – gasp! – Heresy Thursday.

Let's hope they want to kick of the re-boot of Heresy Thursday with something significant, and not just a FW resin character. I feel that the Mechanicum need a second wave of releases. The Vultarax and one of the Krios variants are 'sold out online', so maybe they will appear...

They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

Dudeface wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
From WarCom:

Here at Warhammer Community, there’s a big change coming this week that we can’t wait to unveil, as well as more from the Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl Team and the return of – gasp! – Heresy Thursday.

Let's hope they want to kick of the re-boot of Heresy Thursday with something significant, and not just a FW resin character. I feel that the Mechanicum need a second wave of releases. The Vultarax and one of the Krios variants are 'sold out online', so maybe they will appear...

They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

Maybe like special/ heavy weapons with a chain weapon/ pistol set, power weapon/ pistol set, and fist/ hammer/ exotic weapon set

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
From WarCom:

Here at Warhammer Community, there’s a big change coming this week that we can’t wait to unveil, as well as more from the Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl Team and the return of – gasp! – Heresy Thursday.

Let's hope they want to kick of the re-boot of Heresy Thursday with something significant, and not just a FW resin character. I feel that the Mechanicum need a second wave of releases. The Vultarax and one of the Krios variants are 'sold out online', so maybe they will appear...

They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

Maybe like special/ heavy weapons with a chain weapon/ pistol set, power weapon/ pistol set, and fist/ hammer/ exotic weapon set

I'd hope for that, but fear for a "bit of everything" box.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:


It's a non-Marine release(not that you'd know it from the fluff in the book), so it's as half-bummed as everything else in that vein. On the surface there are lots of cool things, but when you look closer to realize most of them only work together in a small number of limited combinations and there's random splits in the rules that aren't suggested by the fluff - the almost complete lack of overlap between boosting rules for daemon engines(which you're likely to have very few of absent one specific combo of arcana, trait, and list) and the ones for evil robots(which would seem like the ideal "troop choice" for an army that contains daemon engines especially given that one of the few solid bits of mechanicum fluff in the mars book is that the former are a direct outgrowth of experimentation with the latter by Chrom, and he uses both together repeatedly in the course of the narrative) is bonkers.

Well that is the next thing, when before taking an archimandrite was basically already a nobrainer now if you want to go Dark mechanicum due to extremely limited access to their cybertheurgy which is somehow even lower than many other cybertheurgies you now basically HAVE to run an archimandrite and even then you are left scrambling to get enough buffs out. Then there is the fact that f.e. one specialisation just has no separate cybertheurgy, one warlord trait is the only way with a specific school to get a decent amount of daemonengines on the field , which still are quite overpriced to regular mechanicum offerings and than the fact that there is 0 option to boost thralls and thallax and it makes you wonder what is going on.

Also also, we still need an extensive FAQ for the shattred and blackshields... which we didn't get until now.


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Dudeface wrote:


They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

Well there^s probably two melee weapon boxes, one for Terminators and one for regular infantry and there's a lot of diffrent melee weapons.

Swords, axes, mauls, Hammers, fists, claws. That means 60 weapons in a box merely for the infantry. Unless they split it up into a heavy and light melee weapons kit, NVM chainswords, heavy chainswords.

So we could see 3 boxes, chainweapons, powerweapons light and heavy powerweapons and that is infantry only, whilest terminators basically need also a box.

I missed the bit where GW said it would be melee weapons next. I thought that was just wishful thinking...

A lot depends on whether they try to provide enough melee weapons to outfit entire units (as they did with special/heavy weapons), or enough to provide a few squad/character upgrades. And whether they avoid duplicating most of the weapons that are available in other sets, like power fists, power claws, power swords, bolt pistols and chainswords. I am guessing no Terminator weapons, because it would mean providing the whole arm and not just the weapon. I think it will be a single sprue with a mixture of weapons.

Dudeface wrote:
They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

...when?

As in, when were they that specific as to what the next Heresy Thursday would contain?

I’m still not entirely convinced we’ll see “10 of each” in the sets.

The number of squads where we might want universal fancy hitting sticks is pretty small.

Then again, assuming the doubled up sprue standard remains true (and we’ve no reason to believe otherwise at this time) 5 per sprue really isn’t gonna take up much room, especially as the arms seem likely to be a separate sprue,

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still not entirely convinced we’ll see “10 of each” in the sets.

The number of squads where we might want universal fancy hitting sticks is pretty small.

Then again, assuming the doubled up sprue standard remains true (and we’ve no reason to believe otherwise at this time) 5 per sprue really isn’t gonna take up much room, especially as the arms seem likely to be a separate sprue,

I am sorry but the quintessential need for melee weapons stems from the fact that both Veterans (and derivatives which include 3 whole units) and terminators have unlimited access to them, NVM certain legion units and are technically quite liked units to bring especially for legions lacking decent legion melee units. So no, they are quite common even a despoiler or jumppack squad has high access to such weaponry, therefore everything under 10 would need to be really cheap or just flat out suck, and sofar upgrade sets not made in resin and weapon sets not made in resin didn't do that.

 Dysartes wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
They told us it'll be melee weapons, which is potentially pretty significant depending on contents.

...when?

As in, when were they that specific as to what the next Heresy Thursday would contain?

I fact checked myself, they said the melee set would be the first release in "coming weeks" and that heresy Thursday would be starting again. My brain joined those as dots to interpret this as they'd need to preview the first release.

I'm fairly sure on the livestream they said the first thing to be shown would be the melee weapons too.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
FAQ, also can i still run the PDF that first introduced daemonengines for reasonable acces to that strain of cyberthurgy?

Sure. The Arcana is now Æthertek and you miss out two beneficial rules, but the rest is the same - the rite, the weapon and all the Daemon engines.

I have the book, my question is if i can still take the cybertheurgy for any traitor cybertheurgist like the PDF stated one could with a traitor allegiance.

Because without that, this is actually dumb, seeing as daemonengines require more support than bots and yet the availability of the cybertheurgy is down to a single Guy without that access.
Congrats gw, you Made daemonengines even worse somehow

I see. In the old rules you could give Anima Malefica to a Dominus or Magos Auxilia. But other than the fact that the Archmagos then could take a different High Arcana the new rules (without faq) aren't actually that worse. Animatus Malevolence isn't bad, but we're talking about 4 units - two of them LoW, three of them rather fast, all of them melee (and all but one will attack, no matter what you do), and only one with more than one model. I think Artificia Machina is the better and more versatile choice for the 'Support-Magi', even in a Daemon engine heavy army. And that would be an orky choice anyway.

Is everybody ready to finally see the melee weapons today?

I are!

Or indeed whatever it is they show us, just to temper expectations.

I'm ready for then ti disappoint me with a resin character!