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I'll get one just for that glorious Rogue Trader book cover helmet alone! (The plume has to go though).

I'll probably use the torso as a kitbash base for a Firstborn Chaplain. BA Jump Pack Chappie looks out of place now amongst the newly proportioned MKVI, this will do nicely as a replacement (once fully bashed). I can use the old skull mask head and shoudlerpads from the old model, always liked those..

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

Well, HH plastic mk 6 armour looks better than the 40k mk7 armour. Primaris intercessors also look better than 40k mk7 armour, so its all good now. (dont ask if older plastic mk3 armour is better than the new plastic mk3 armour, because that is a matter of taste and cant be decided easily)

‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

Roll Three Dice wrote:


‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

The proportions are definitely part of the design aesthetic. Look at Pop Head figures. The proportions are basically the only thing the entire range has in common.

That said, I'm not fussed about the primaris much one way or the other, other than the proportions. I like the added tactical kit the reivers and such have but on generic intercessors and such I'm not much moved over say the rescaled mk6 from Heresy. General lack of Mk7 helmets is probably the biggest real change.

Roll Three Dice wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

Well, HH plastic mk 6 armour looks better than the 40k mk7 armour. Primaris intercessors also look better than 40k mk7 armour, so its all good now. (dont ask if older plastic mk3 armour is better than the new plastic mk3 armour, because that is a matter of taste and cant be decided easily)

‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

All discussion about different power armour and their estethic qualities are "subjective take". I was trying a clever way to make fun of the whole discussion by first saying some PA are better, then go on to say other PA beeing a matter of taste. I even included a winking orkmoticon to make sure no one would take the contradictory reasoning serious.
There, now I explained it I trust you can have a good chuckle and enjoy the thread.

Ok, fair enough. I’d venture to suggest you didn’t do a particularly good job of communicating your sardonic tone, certainly not enough to warrant such a condescending explanation. But maybe I’m just very dense. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility.

There will come a time when the venerable MKVII power armour gets a modernization with improved proportions. I can already see it declared as the de facto power armour GOAT by the internet as soon as it gets released. The Space Marine Heroes were a slight improvement, but still not perfect, just had slightly longer legs

Im hoping that the Mk7 and Mk8 kits come with a badab war spinoff game ala horus heresy. Maybe they can base It on a modified second edition ruleset just for funsies. Seems a better way to keep the legacy firstborn marine ip alive than trying to pigeonhole them into HH.

That's the dream - updated / better proportioned MKVIII armor - hot damn!

Maybe someday...

Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

The high collar is MkVIII, I’m pretty sure that was entirely post-heresy?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

The high collar is MkVIII, I’m pretty sure that was entirely post-heresy?

Yeah, Mk VIII was “new” as of second edition so probably less than a thousand years old.

My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

 Alpharius wrote:
My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

Yeah but the subject was MkVII, not MKVIII

Meanwhile I'm still just hoping got an outrider squad with a sprue of mk4 riders that is compatible with the mk6 rider sprue

Yes why are we talking about Mk7 and 8 in Horus Heresy while we're missing marks 2, 4 (in nuscale) and 5 and 90% of the Fast Attack section?

GW: Best I can do is more tanks

I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

Yeah but the subject was MkVII, not MKVIII

Good point - but really, we should always at least have MKVIII somewhere in mind.

zedmeister wrote:I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

THAT is a very good point - and sounds like something that would absolutely make sense, so...

boyd wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

Another good point!

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

I think when people mention Crusade era games, they want not just those two, but also separatist humans and human/alien groups like the Interex.

No 30k xenos is a military threat to the Imperium, so what'd be the point? Shooting Fish in a Barrel Simulator?

Yes!

So, the lists "as is" (for the most part) from 30K for all the Legions, minus the most over the top Chaos stuff.

Add in Eldar, Orks and maybe a new alien race or two - maybe using current Squat or Necrons or even Tyranid stuff to represent them?

Probably could be done in one good sized book...?

boyd wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

My personal theory is they'll do MkVII, MkVIII and a, as yet, new mark, MkIX for siege of terra and, likely, scouring. MkIX will be lost as the forgeworld that produced it is scoured and it'll be a relic pattern.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

I think when people mention Crusade era games, they want not just those two, but also separatist humans and human/alien groups like the Interex.

Honestly, if they ever get tired of heresy, I reckon you'd see a return to Imperial Armour - limited forces and army lists for a specfic conflict. 'Historic' 40k, pre-indomitus you could say. But even then, that's only a very remote chance

 Alpharius wrote:
Yes!

So, the lists "as is" (for the most part) from 30K for all the Legions, minus the most over the top Chaos stuff.

Add in Eldar, Orks and maybe a new alien race or two - maybe using current Squat or Necrons or even Tyranid stuff to represent them?

Probably could be done in one good sized book...?

I have to ask, who would collect an army, at GW prices, whose purpose in the lore is just to get steamrollered and be out of history's way before the main conflict starts?

But if you want, there's fan rules for Eldar and they'll do the rest eventually https://hh-ageofdarkness.itch.io/

I don't think Orks are getting steamrolled - and Eldar are certainly still around too!

Plus, fun! (And variety - sweet, sweet variety!)

The Orks got so steamrollered it took them over a thousand years to become a threat again.

The vast majority of wars fought during the Great Crusade were against human or post-human empires, which you can use the current HH rules to represent with the Solar Auxilia, Militia, and Mechanicum.

A lot of xenos empires got steamrolled eventually, but not before putting up major fights- orks, hrud, rangadon.

I'd at least love to see some of the Eldar Craftworlds in all their glory, marching to war with Titans a plenty...

The Craftworlds were still picking up the pieces of The Fall. The Imperium didn't pick fights with them even at its height because destroying a Craftworld took far too much effort for a zero-sum result.
No new territory, no new subjects, no reclaimed technology.

Imperial policy regarding the Craftworlds has always been "try not to poke the nest because the nest tends to poke back".

There certainly weren't any Aeldari hosts with masses of Titans. They hadn't even established the Path system yet.