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I can't get over those disgusting looking Thousand Sons Sekhetar bots they showed recently. The more I look at them, the more I think about them, the more it bothers me. GW literally just released plastic Castellax. Why in gods name would you not just take this opportunity to make plastic Castellax-Achea? You know? The Thousands Sons specific robots that already exist and are very well received? They could have brought a prohibitively expensive unit into plastic, made additional use of the Castellax frame that they just released, and add a new unit to 40k, maybe with an extra sprue for more chaos iconography. It's an existing psychic robot that only the thousand sons use, but no, they decide to come up with something out of the blue that is literally the same concept but designed worse in every way. Its like laughably anti-consumer. Just do what people want please.

And if these new tarantulas are specifically designed to not fit rhinos so they can't be used a whirlwinds (without conversion) that is just further proof that they are just trying to feth us.

The main reason is that these are from the main studio and the Castellax frame is by Specialist Games Studio, and they are essentially two separate companies under the large GW banner now and two separate profit centres. They have no interest in kits that involve components between the two companies because then they have to negotiate which bit of profit goes to which entity, which is why we don't have any 30K tanks in 40K either.

So using the Castellax frame was never going to happen, but it's still disappointing these don't look a bit more like it in terms of bulk, which I think really lets these down.

 The Phazer wrote:
The main reason is that these are from the main studio and the Castellax frame is by Specialist Games Studio, and they are essentially two separate companies under the large GW banner now and two separate profit centres. They have no interest in kits that involve components between the two companies because then they have to negotiate which bit of profit goes to which entity, which is why we don't have any 30K tanks in 40K either.

So using the Castellax frame was never going to happen, but it's still disappointing these don't look a bit more like it in terms of bulk, which I think really lets these down.

This is such a lame excuse, I don't believe that for a second. Cataphractii, Tartaros, pretty much any Legion-era marine unit is useable in 40K (last I saw anyways), as well as the entire 30K custodes range. They are not two companies, they are one entity choosing to make stupid design choices.

Err, no, most all of what you wrote there has been cut from 40k proper and moved to legacy (if it still exists at all). Legacy at this point is death row, anything legacy this edition will not get rules next edition.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Err, no, most all of what you wrote there has been cut from 40k proper and moved to legacy (if it still exists at all). Legacy at this point is death row, anything legacy this edition will not get rules next edition.

That's not necessarily true, we have units in legends that got new rules every edition since 8th.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Err, no, most all of what you wrote there has been cut from 40k proper and moved to legacy (if it still exists at all). Legacy at this point is death row, anything legacy this edition will not get rules next edition.

That's not necessarily true, we have units in legends that got new rules every edition since 8th.

Yeah there's deffo a good amount of units from heresy that have been getting rules every edition since 8th.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
The main reason is that these are from the main studio and the Castellax frame is by Specialist Games Studio, and they are essentially two separate companies under the large GW banner now and two separate profit centres. They have no interest in kits that involve components between the two companies because then they have to negotiate which bit of profit goes to which entity, which is why we don't have any 30K tanks in 40K either.

So using the Castellax frame was never going to happen, but it's still disappointing these don't look a bit more like it in terms of bulk, which I think really lets these down.

This is such a lame excuse, I don't believe that for a second. Cataphractii, Tartaros, pretty much any Legion-era marine unit is useable in 40K (last I saw anyways), as well as the entire 30K custodes range. They are not two companies, they are one entity choosing to make stupid design choices.

Well, considering they have removed lots of generic chaos marine units from 40k k-sons (that was actual 40k kits still in production), its strange to be baffled they dont include 30k units. They have even redesigned tanks like rhinos, landraiders and predators to have separate ranges.
And honestly, if GW suddenly included a 30k unit in a 40k codex I would consider it a temporary patch job, and would expect them to remove the unit next edition.

 The Phazer wrote:
The main reason is that these are from the main studio and the Castellax frame is by Specialist Games Studio, and they are essentially two separate companies under the large GW banner now and two separate profit centres. They have no interest in kits that involve components between the two companies because then they have to negotiate which bit of profit goes to which entity, which is why we don't have any 30K tanks in 40K either.

They are not two seperate companies. It’s funny how this myth continues to persist, people have been saying it since forgeworld came into being

There is still plenty of crossover with stuff like Custodes and Knights, not to mention marine vehicles that are just different patterns.

I mean, have you guys seen what they did with The Old World and Age of Sigmar? Beasts of Chaos are gone from AOS, because now they're back as an army in TOW. The more recent night goblins are still used in AOS, so TOW was given the older style night goblins.

GW has been deadset on keeping certain models to certain games for awhile now. Daemons (and I guess custodes) are some of the only overlap.

Alright let's be semantic them about the separation beetween Specialist Games (ExForgeWorld) and Games Workshop

"Specialist games" and "Games Workshop" aren't separate entities, but inside the enterprise they do have separate teams working on different project under different manager.
We can reasonably assume that Team 40K has an objective with a monetary bonus incentive, probably something generic along the line of "total 40K product sold this year".
If Team Specialist games release a product for Horus Heresy and Team 40k releases rules for it for 40K
The manager from Team 40K could argue they have the right to count it toward it's bonus on total 40K product sold.
Maybe i'm biased because in France trade union are so strong but here it wouldn't just be that they could argue, it would be their non-negotiable rights to count it in their objective.

Ultimately the decision was made to the compatibility beetween 40K - HH and AoS - TOW because of a Human Ressource problem.
Yes the direction could have just paid the bonus but it creates problem down the line where everyone always get their bonus or the objective is too high and nobody does.

The Age of Darkness rulebook is now listed as "sold out" on the US site... Feels like good evidence a new edition is inbound.

 BorderCountess wrote:
The Age of Darkness rulebook is now listed as "sold out" on the US site... Feels like good evidence a new edition is inbound.

Well, I guess that's good news.

It will give me an excuse to paint my teeny-tiny 1,000 points of Alpha Legion.

 BorderCountess wrote:
The Age of Darkness rulebook is now listed as "sold out" on the US site... Feels like good evidence a new edition is inbound.

Still available on the UK site though.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe a quick cheap AA release before a wave of fliers?

Plastic Thunderhawks inbound!

Verified!

Summer of fliers, finally! Kroothawk always said it would happen!

I'm still waiting for more of "Tanks" from the roadmap.

Solar Auxilia super-heavies when? 👉🏻👈🏻

It would be good to see some Big tanks for both the SA and the Marines - and I'm curious if we might see other vehicles for the Mechanicum this year as well.

Marine superheavies have bad rules and bad models, so I'm sure they'll be out soon!

 Dysartes wrote:
It would be good to see some Big tanks for both the SA and the Marines - and I'm curious if we might see other vehicles for the Mechanicum this year as well.

Besides a return of the Macrocarid and Termite, there are no other mechanicum vehicles.

Fellblade/Glaive for Astartes would be a nice combo kit, maybe a third gun like the kratos has 3 options for the turret.
Sicaran variants and Sabre tank would also be useful

Solar Aux have the Baneblade/Hellhammer + Shadowsword and Aurox + Carnodon to go

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Besides a return of the Macrocarid and Termite, there are no other mechanicum vehicles.

Fellblade/Glaive for Astartes would be a nice combo kit, maybe a third gun like the kratos has 3 options for the turret.
Sicaran variants and Sabre tank would also be useful

Solar Aux have the Baneblade/Hellhammer + Shadowsword and Aurox + Carnodon to go

No other Mechanicum vehicles? Ordinatus, Dark Mechanicum walkers, Moirax in plastic, new additions (anti-air unit?), Knights, ect. If the new edition is truly this year, we could see associated data sheets expand for factions too.

With GW being able to create larger plastic injection molds like the Cerastus Knight now, It should be only a matter of time (& good sales) until we see the super heavy units. They need to fill release slots for their alternative games after all

My guess is that we get another box set. Similar to the heavy support box for Mechanicum, they could release one for Marines and Solar Auxilia to generate more sales & release multiple vehicles at once. A heavy support box for Marines shortly after a new edition release would be peak.

Marines need a FA box more than a HS one. Say outriders with new mark of rider sprue, a Praetor on bike, Javelin speeder, maybe a sabre tank

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Marines need a FA box more than a HS one. Say outriders with new mark of rider sprue, a Praetor on bike, Javelin speeder, maybe a sabre tank

That may be the case, but Marines Sicarian variants (Arcus, Omega, Punisher) and super heavys (Falchion, Fellblade, Glaive) are the kits missing from the online store. Plus "tanks" is our hint for releases this year, in which Marines have had none.....so far.

Interestingly enough the combi-weapons are sold out online now, that could be an fun plastic option kit.

We need to be realistic and hope for the one model that will change the game for the better and fill in the biggest gap in the history of the game...


Flyers for Imperial Knights!

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
We need to be realistic and hope for the one model that will change the game for the better and fill in the biggest gap in the history of the game...


Flyers for Imperial Knights!

Jump Pack upgrade sprue and done.

Combi-weapons as a sprue would be great. Special weapon sprue has 5 copies of 6 guns per sprue, doubled. To make combi a bit more useful, maybe do six copies of 5 combi weapons (1 per arm pose and a sixth with one hand for sergeants/characters) melta, plasma, volkite, flamer, grenade

I see Sicaran variants, Stormbird, and Aurox transport as sold out online on both UK and US webstores. I don't even see the Felblade or variants at all.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I mean, have you guys seen what they did with The Old World and Age of Sigmar? Beasts of Chaos are gone from AOS, because now they're back as an army in TOW. The more recent night goblins are still used in AOS, so TOW was given the older style night goblins.

GW has been deadset on keeping certain models to certain games for awhile now. Daemons (and I guess custodes) are some of the only overlap.

Sigh....
Beasts of Chaos are not gone from AoS.
As I type this they are 100% still in that game.
On June 1st they will be moved into Legends AoS wise. They will STILL be part of AoS.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Marine superheavies have bad rules and bad models, so I'm sure they'll be out soon!

Nah man, the Falchion & Glaive look amazing.

Wordy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Marine superheavies have bad rules and bad models, so I'm sure they'll be out soon!

Nah man, the Falchion & Glaive look amazing.

To me they just look like the Baneblade chassis with all the detail sanded off

They could sell a Baneblade to Glaive upgrade kit that was just side cutters and a sanding block

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
We need to be realistic and hope for the one model that will change the game for the better and fill in the biggest gap in the history of the game...


Flyers for Imperial Knights!

Imagine a player plops a Gundam-Knight on the table, perched on a clear-plastic flying stand, whistling "Just Communication".

"I say, Lawrence!"

ccs wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I mean, have you guys seen what they did with The Old World and Age of Sigmar? Beasts of Chaos are gone from AOS, because now they're back as an army in TOW. The more recent night goblins are still used in AOS, so TOW was given the older style night goblins.

GW has been deadset on keeping certain models to certain games for awhile now. Daemons (and I guess custodes) are some of the only overlap.

Sigh....
Beasts of Chaos are not gone from AoS.
As I type this they are 100% still in that game.
On June 1st they will be moved into Legends AoS wise. They will STILL be part of AoS.

The GW webstore doesn't sell any BoC models under the AoS title.
GW won't produce new lore, new rules, new models nor advertise them for AoS at any point from now on beyond random mentions in books as background lore here and there (and even then unless they've plans to actually bring them back with different models they will likely stop mentioning them altogether).
They also will re-release them but will only have square bases in the box; no round ones.

Furthermore their status in Legends means that they will be generally not eligible for top end tournament play


So sure they are still currently in the game; and they will still be in Legends. However on a very functional front they won't be in the game. If you want to use them you'll be running Legends rules which will have spotty acceptance (some clubs will accept; some won't same as for events with a bias that more events will likely refuse than accept). If you want to buy into them you'll have to source your own round bases (and chances are GW won't be updating/refreshing a base-conversion document- heck they've not updated the current one in utterly ages). etc...



So on a very functional front they are gone from the game.
Sure GW won't come to your house and prevent you from using them just like they can't stop you using a 3rd party army or home-brew rules - but GW won't encourage anyone to take up Beastmen in AoS