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Yeah, I agree. The pic is of course super blurry, but you can see just enough detail on the Saturnine guy to see the pull bar thing on the back of his weapon.

Also, looking at the pic again? I’m loving that the Saturnine Terminator’s seem to be aping the original original Chaos Dreadnought’s plasma cannon.

Regard, with your eyes, if you will, and with your knees if you absolutely must.





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In fact, they’re probably about the same size, model for model.

Could this be a mash up retcon of the two designs?

That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

It’s Rogue Trader.

The only thing on anyone’s mind was AWESOME.

That’s a true fact that is. Ask science if you want. I think you’ll find it’ll tut at you and say “duuuhhhhhhh”.

Apart from that, another silent Thursday tho?

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Apart from that, another silent Thursday tho?

i assume they're replacing Heresy Thursdays with Lord of the Thursdays until it's time to start promoting the new edition

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

Sure, but that dreadnought just looks too Tyranid/Genestealerish too me.

But well, who knows, enjoy this artwork instead.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

Sure, but that dreadnought just looks too Tyranid/Genestealerish too me.

But well, who knows, enjoy this artwork instead.

The faces look about as lovely as the ones' from the Mutilator that released 30 years later and had probably the shortest lifetime of any 40K Model since 2000's...

Giving it a Genestealer-esque colour scheme really highlights the similarities, but paint the cabling as more mechanical (and add a good dose of ol' fashioned RED) and it's a lot more subtle.



...and now I've gone and persuaded myself to go and buy one off eBay...

More importantly, was I the only person who noticed that the person who posted the leaked box had two different shoes? Very odd.

For the Chaos Dreadnoughts, why did they move away from those styles? I think they really stand out, in a good way.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

They were obviously heavily influenced by HR Giger and Alien. Plus some Terry Gilliam and probably some Dr Who as well. Both early Chaos and early Tyranids were spin-offs of the same aesthetic. Funny to see it re-emerge in the new Saturnine models.


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 Quixote wrote:
More importantly, was I the only person who noticed that the person who posted the leaked box had two different shoes? Very odd.

For the Chaos Dreadnoughts, why did they move away from those styles? I think they really stand out, in a good way.

I noticed it too. The car has a very 'lived in' look.

I think they moved away from that look because it was part of the Tyranid aesthetic. Although they've always liked having tubes and hoses on everything.

That plastic combibolter makes me think we might be seeing some sort of Veteran upgrade sprue sooner or later..

I think Heresy thursdays have been put on hold for now.. its only hearsays for the remainder of those 400 hours

MOAR!





Rumour has it that the campaign for the edition is gonna focus on the Shattered Legions - some realy cool opportunities for raven guard, salamanders, and iron hands scenarios…

Well. We didn’t see this coming. How could we? We’re not mind readers. Rumour has it that the psychic phase is making a return, and that there’s a Psychic Lore for EACH INDIVIDUAL LEGION.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MOAR!

The piece on the sprue is one of the upper front plates from the Saturnine Dread.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The faces look about as lovely as the ones' from the Mutilator that released 30 years later and had probably the shortest lifetime of any 40K Model since 2000's...

That honor probably belongs to the metal Possessed that got released for the Medusa V campaign and were replaced by plastic Possessed in a year or so.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well. We didn’t see this coming. How could we? We’re not mind readers. Rumour has it that the psychic phase is making a return, and that there’s a Psychic Lore for EACH INDIVIDUAL LEGION.

I'll be disappointed if this is true and Imperial Fists don't get seven shades of instant fortification.

Well can't say I like any of the Saturnine models, undoubtedly pretty marmite. Really just waiting out on actual sensible news on the rules, will be tapping out if it's a complete revision (or port to the current version of 40k...), rather than a minor update / tweaking to fix the actual issues with the current rules.


On a different note, surprised there's been no mention of this (that I can see)...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/v25ljay9/warhammer-tv-this-week-uncover-a-plot-to-kill-the-warmaster-in-a-new-trailer/

The trailer is pretty cool, plus its the first 30k animation (I believe?) and it's set in the Siege of Terra - slightly surprising given they seem to be avoiding the Siege so far in 30k/LI/AT so far and I think most peoples assumptions have been they'll leave it for quite a while before approaching the siege, sign of a change...? Given the titan-centric focus, maybe an LI Siege book to come (oh if only!)...

Siege of Terra seems to be a "break in case of emergency" narrative gate as far as game expansion goes. It seems to be set up as tbe settings "End Times" scenario, looming on the horizon but forever out of reach. Its a line that will be crossed potentially once other ideas are exhausted and The Scouring remains the only path forward for continued ROI and profit.

Then again, Saturnine WAS the title of one of the Siege of Terra books, so *shrug*

With the Return to Istvaan, I hope we will see new Mk4 also in this Year.

Or in this Edition...

RazorEdge wrote:
With the Return to Istvaan, I hope we will see new Mk4 also in this Year.

Or in this Edition...

Last time GW gave folks a year to buy Mk.VI before they released Mk.III. I could see a repeat with Mk. IV.

If they were so inclined, they could go back to late Heresy three years from now and put Mk.V into the 4th ed starter box and follow that up in the same way with Mk.VII for loyalists. Then we'd have all the relevant marks sorted out.

I dont wanna wait another 3+ years for MkV :(

Wonder if we'll get some new Custodes in plastic for this edition.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

 Quixote wrote:
Wonder if we'll get some new Custodes in plastic for this edition.

Custodes for loyalists and darkmech for traitors would be balanced

Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Plastic upgrade kit for custodes dreadnought perhaps.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

My memory is a bit hazy, but were Dreadnoughts viewed as OP in 7th ed? I don't recall that being the case. Hull Points limited their longevity and AV limited their durability.

 Fayric wrote:
Plastic upgrade kit for custodes dreadnought perhaps.

3 vehicle kits, 2 dreadnought kits and a jump infantry at a minimum to port over, then heavy jetbikes and aquilon terminators. And a weapon sprue for the alternate lances and combi guns. No reason not to port the 40k units like the lighter jetbikes, wardens, and alternate terminators since marines now have 3 marks of terminator. Then there are the sisters of silence.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

My memory is a bit hazy, but were Dreadnoughts viewed as OP in 7th ed? I don't recall that being the case. Hull Points limited their longevity and AV limited their durability.

The fundamental issue with walkers was that monstrous creatures were in direct competition with them and superior in most ways. What was to be a monstrous creature and what a vehicle wasn't always clear and GW really started slipping around 5th ed. Probably because the disparity between both categories was never fixed and it was easier to just make something work by making it a monstrous creature.

I don't know how much of that made it into Horus Heresy as the big offenders were Eldar, Tau and Grey Knights, none of which exist in 30k. For that reason alone I found the change to Dreadnoughts away from vehicles odd at the time.

In my experience Dreadnoughts tended to be fine the way the were from 3rd ed to 7th ed because front and side armor values were the same and the 180° fire angle to the front made them easy to use, generally. As vehicles with the option for close combat weapons immobilizing them could have an especially detrimental effect, which is the smaller reason for the popularity of dual ranged weapon Dreadnoughts. And with the introduction of hull points and the increasing number of heavy weapons in many armies AV12 wasn't worth as much as it was in earlier editions.

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