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Mmmm. Fellblade.

And I noticed Laser Destructor Array…..tips of a quad barreled las weapon, just visible.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mmmm. Fellblade.

And I noticed Laser Destructor Array…..tips of a quad barreled las weapon, just visible.

Just the tips?

I am optimistic. I like what I saw so far for the rules.

...though the Saturnine stuff is ridiculously big. Not sure I'll be getting those.

Sounds like someone should've told the rule writers this is a tabletop wargame and not an RPG.

I really can't see going with more stats and by implication more poorly written special rules.

Ooo assault marines and breachers

Gonna be expensive. Lots of MkII and Breachers...

That volkite looks part of some sort of resculpted terminators

Lots of shiny new things.

New rules don’t overly bother me, as I never really played the current edition. So in a way, I’m now on a more even footing with long term players.

But as I’ve said? All in the execution. Could be great, could be passable, could be dog dirt. Only time and personal experience will tell.

But MkII Assault and Breachers? Yes please, Santa!

They said high damage was better against vehicles, so I wonder if that's just dreads or if all vehicles are moving towards having regular profiles.

Also from WarCom, regarding challenges:

"When two of these figures meet in combat, it should be an epic battle for the ages, so there are now a suite of options for high-level characters involved in challenges to outfight, outthink, and outmanoeuvre their opponent. These hard-fought duels capture the feel of the dramatic showdowns from the Horus Heresy novel series, as well as increase the usefulness of these epic heroes to your battleplan. And they’re great fun."

Wonder if this will also take into account more of the mental stats, if that's where the variety is (in characters over basic troopers by and large)?

In their 'questions' answered bit they also have this:
"There are several cool new things for players to get their teeth into, including Challenge Gambits, Tactical Status, and Army Selection, all of which we’ll go into more detail on in upcoming articles."

Which feels like a yes.

Not forgetting the regular whirlwind teaser as well...

Cool toys are cool!
Breachers - awesome, but mk2 assault marines - gorgeous.
Happy to see more plastic coming to HH, a good sign it won’t be forgotten anytime soon after a rules dump.

Nobody is excited for what is almost certainly Dark Mech?

Legs seem a little short for a sniper

Vehicle rules will make or break it, well and if they reign in Dreads.

 Jack Flask wrote:
Nobody is excited for what is almost certainly Dark Mech?

Spoiler:

Looks more like a skitarii named character or officer, than dark mech.

Far more enthused about this now, stuff looks less dorky than in the leaks. Best news is the Fellblade, I barely dared hope but here it is.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Vehicle rules will make or break it, well and if they reign in Dreads.

Damage Stat might reign in dreads as it is.

Hidden in plain sight

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Vehicle rules will make or break it, well and if they reign in Dreads.

Damage Stat might reign in dreads as it is.

Damage stat was already in with brutal-.

If the vehicles are going to a T model then i will just not.

The box we already knew about but its still disappointing that it's just a load of marines again. Especially when they have Custodes in the trailer. They would have looked far better opposite the Saturnines.

No mention if they're going to have Zone Mortalis in the core book this time, nor any mention of a skirmish mode. The model count for this game isn't doing it any favours when Legions Imperialis does a far better job of large scale warfare.

The 3-year cycle is a huge turn off, especially when the initial impression is "might as well just play Rogue Trader, which we still print once in a while".

Not sure how I feel about the Questoris army book, although it might work out cheaper if only going for Knights'n'Titans.

I'm in, skirted around the HH for years, but think the models pull me in for sure this time.....better check the wallet for moths!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Vehicle rules will make or break it, well and if they reign in Dreads.

Damage Stat might reign in dreads as it is.

Damage stat was already in with brutal-.

If the vehicles are going to a T model then i will just not.

To a degree on Brutal. Some weapons had it, most didn’t. Now? Further details needed, natch. But if even Heavy Bolters go to D2? Dreads might be in for a much rougher time of it.

Well, poop

I like pretty much all of the models

The breacher shield is a weird mix of Mk3 and Mk5, they probably leaned too hard into "make one design to go with all armour marks"

Luckily Mk2 get the correct jump packs!

The volkite pistol teaser was plastic Mk4

Still no whiff of Fast Attack in any shape or form but we get the Baneblade with all the detail sanded off that everybody wanted

The rules I am extremely negative about, to the surprise of no one

A decently competent ruleset that just needed a balance patch and better layout gets thrown out baby with the bathwater style, as GW always does nowadays, and rewritten from scratch with an all new set of beginner blunders, because 3 years of playtesting is rendered obsolete by the scope of changes.

4 mental stats in a mass battle game is insane. I can already see Intelligence being used in exactly one situation, techmarine repairs. Maaaybe avoiding Gets Hot? But we're burdened with keeping track of the stat for no reason on every single model that will never use it.

The tactical statuses might be good if they don't amount to just 4 barely distinct types of pinning that are just pointless mental load.

Changing the stat acronyms sounds like just pure malice to bully veteran players who are in HH specifically to avoid change. But clearly the game is no longer for them, we're on the 3 year e-sport treadmill now.

And of course we're replacing the entire library of 50€ books that lasted 3 years or less, with the promise of adding Arcane Journals on top down the line.

And I am 100% certain Legends are gone, ain't nobody at GW rewriting 300 pages of statlines for free when the changes are so massive.

Thoughts

- if they brought back extraneous mental characteristics but not rt/2nd ed style vehicle hit/damage charts imma be mad.

- "more flexible army building" has become a trigger for me, hoping they havent done away with FOC charts

- mk2 assault marine, but not mk3? What about mk2/3 scimitar bikers?

- was hoping for the glaive in plastic alongside the fellblade, hopefully a follow-on variant kit for the fellblade is in the works

- splitting knights off into a separate book is a choice, im surprised that it looks like their liber is as large as the mechanicum and auxilia books. They really dont have that many units, hopefully theres some mechanicum crossover in there if they are pushing them in the direction of standalone factions.

- happy about the journal format, should give us more steady updates and a better microscope into the lore

- anyone else catch references to "asset points" in the journal preview text? Do we think that was something specific to scenario/campaign play, or was it hints at the new points system? The numbers were low, along the lines of power level, this might get uhh... controversial....

- also no mention of shattered legion, blackshield, daemon, militia/army/warp cult rules, etc. *sigh*

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

A Book for Knights? Hopefully they won't feel like they were tacked on and will be better integrated into the game.

(Now, if they would let me use my 40k Knights in 30k without the 2 for 1 Armiger tax.)

Blackfang, mostly in agreement with you

Plastic Glaive top left

I really like the Saturnine Dread in Space Wolves livery - a very nice blend of Heresy era Dread and Knight designs.

I wonder if the titans will be lumped into the knight book or mechanicum one

 Jack Flask wrote:
Nobody is excited for what is almost certainly Dark Mech?

Spoiler:

Could be a loyal resistance fighter from the Skitarii legions as well. Doesn't look especially Dark Mechanicum to me.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:
Nobody is excited for what is almost certainly Dark Mech?

Spoiler:

Looks more like a skitarii named character or officer, than dark mech.

There aren't any Skitarii in 30k right now (other than Titan Guard) though. Also this is specifically in the same colors as the LI Dark Mech robots and has more "evil" looking bayonet on the front than any of the current Mechanicum units.

SamusDrake wrote:The box we already knew about but its still disappointing that it's just a load of marines again. Especially when they have Custodes in the trailer. They would have looked far better opposite the Saturnines.

That's never going to happen because GW want people to be able to buy the starter box and use all of the models as the core of a single 30k army.

At least for Talons they basically confirmed they'll be getting a significant release in the near future, likely a massive expansion to the Sisters of Silence.

There's no other reason they'd be launching as a PDF rather than a full Liber, and the presenters directly said their Liber will be coming in the future with some new releases.