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 skrulnik wrote:
What is the armor the crew are wearing? looks like grimdark bodycams on the chest

Possibly a homage to the original Imperial Space Marine LE2

Its GWs way of saying "nah, we arent making distinct sets of armor for this unit"

Well all the Rapier control stuff is separate so you can fit them on MKII/III/VI if need be.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its GWs way of saying "nah, we arent making distinct sets of armor for this unit"

I mean the other option is 6 skus for one unit, so I'm actually ok with this.

If someone wants armor mark specific crew they can use the crew arms on their Mk II, III, VI etc.

Oh, i fully support it too. Its probably one of the nost consumer friendly moves they made in yesrs lol

Given the resemblance to the tech marine helm, it might be something specific to that branch of the legions. Like it has some specific advantages for working with vehicles and artillery.
Between these guys and the iron warriors being poster-boys this edition, don’t be surprised if the Legion Basilisk turns up again, but the crew has this armour.

Ooh, rapiers already. I fully expect whichever option I buy to be the bad one in 3.0 but such is life. Graviton it is for me

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Ooh, rapiers already. I fully expect whichever option I buy to be the bad one in 3.0 but such is life. Graviton it is for me

Buy both then. My Knights aren't a fan of heavier weapons.

Three sets of the Laser/Quad Gun for me, I think.

One resin grav and one resin quad launcher will be leading batteries of the plastics for me.

I might the second set tp use as quad launchers and then put the laser destroyers on a tank, like my Spartan I haven't built.

 BorderCountess wrote:
I might the second set tp use as quad launchers and then put the laser destroyers on a tank, like my Spartan I haven't built.

The Felblade is going to come with proper Laser Destroyer sponsons, which I plan to swap with a quad las from a spartan myself.

I wonder how Laser Destroyers compare to quad las with the new edition. Maybe drop from 48" range to 36" but gain Dam 2 base and otherwise the same?

lord_blackfang wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

That's not quite right either. I think "DLC churn" is a fine way to describe it, but the extra books were adding content that demonstrably did not exist and had no precedent in the old version.

You needed... maybe 5 splatbooks just to collect the 6 OG gangs for Necromunda. Goliaths and Eschers were literally a day 1 expansion book and not in the starter box. Pretty sure LI came out swinging with cut content too... like the entire fast attack section, that came in the first "expansion".

Which is how they've always been.

The addition of all those unique models was purely for sales purposes...

The addition of absolutely everything has always been for sales purposes

Necromunda may have been a victim of its own success in terms of initial rapid replacement and notable upgrade.

The current one is essentially the standard 40K/AoS approach - rulebook, army book. And the army book contains the vast majority of your rules, with the occasional addition elsewhere.

The sourcebooks, which contain the new toys, are also a way to keep eyes on the game, something the original kinda lacked. Beloved as the game was, it didn’t have many big releases. The new method corrects that, with a bunch of gorgeous non-gang specific releases to tempt every player’s pocket.

LI? Part of that is down to parasites like Chapterhouse. Parasites can’t beat you to market if the units don’t exist in-game yet. And it’s not terribly different to the Olden Days, where to have a complete set of rules, even in 2nd Ed, you’d need…

Space Marine, Armies of the Imperium, Renegades, Ork & Squat Warlords, Titan Legions, Hive War and regular copies of WD, all of which fed in new units and new units on a pretty regular basis. And for the true connosieur, the odd edition of Citadel Journal.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
LI? Part of that is down to parasites like Chapterhouse. Parasites can’t beat you to market if the units don’t exist in-game yet. And it’s not terribly different to the Olden Days, where to have a complete set of rules, even in 2nd Ed, you’d need…

"Parasites" is overly harsh - if GW shows no intention of releasing a kit/sculpt of something they've including in an army list there's going to be someone who will fill that gap, either with an article on how to do a specific conversion or by releasing a sculpt for it. These days, it'd probably be an STL, rather than a physical model.

Serving a gap in the market - and exposing how inept GW were when it came to IP - hardly makes someone a parasite.

Chapterhouse was a parasite company of extremely limited creative input. Taking someone else’s designs and charging money for them = cheeky. But using their own trademarks to promote them, especially when some of your designs are just crap (Grav Vespa, anyone?) = parasite.

But my overall point stands. Holding off new models for a new volume of rules or WD article is Standard Epic.

which is 90% of content for GW games out there
make everything available that GW promises but does not deliver with your own brand and earn money with it

cut all the "parasites" off and and things would be pretty empty

The actual parasites are youtubers who post a "GW did a bad thing / Warhammer is doomed" video every week

3rd party products fixing a gap in the market are just signs the market leader is fething something up, and they're making the game healthier,and GW's sales higher, by supplying the missing thing.

Anyone got Rapier prices?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The actual parasites are youtubers who post a "GW did a bad thing / Warhammer is doomed" video every week

The real parasite is Youtube and how they've coded and weighted their algorithm
A lot of the youtubers just do this because it seems to be the only way for many to generate clicks. If they run videos that aren't GW they get tanked on clicks and views by the system because GW is the "big name" and if they aren't emotive titles they also get less attention.

It's the case of "bad news sells" changing too "we only advertise bad news"

The actual parasites are the STLs we printed along the way

I'm going to shoot a few Bothans just to maintain the joke:

Rapiers £44 / 55 Euros
Tarantulas £37 / 47.50 Euros

I really wish they were in the LI unit box bracket.

I also really wish we knew the new unit sizes.

Still in for Rapiers.

Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

I'm a fan of the original Imperial Tarantula - I think it's the Space Crusade influence. However, I'm currently making a trench board and Tarantulas seem appropriate for that.

Immobile stuff is meh. Funny they should head the new ultra mobile edition where everyone moves and shoots everything with a bunch of small immobile guns before the starter and a large immobile gun in the starter.

Hmm, these prices are probably too high for me for some nice to have side projects, as is often the case with GW. I already got Rapiers 10 years ago from Puppets War and they did the Job just fine, would only get one Set for the Quad launchers.
Tarantulas would be more for scenery in Stargrave, but again, not a price that you put in the basket just to reach the gratis shipping threshold...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still in for Rapiers.

Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

Agreed on both counts. Although Rapiers currently take up a valuable Elites slot, which makes it hard to take 2 units of them. That may change with the new edition.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still in for Rapiers.

Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

Traditionally, they've always been fast attack, so they were a good budget pick for a legion that didn't take much, if any, fast attack (Iron Warriors, etc). Hopefully, they'll get some sort of deep strike ability, where they gravchute into position. They used to be able to, especially with Elysian Drop Troops. It'd suit Iron Warriors to have tarantulas dropped down behind or in trenches.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still in for Rapiers.

Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

Traditionally, they've always been fast attack, so they were a good budget pick for a legion that didn't take much, if any, fast attack (Iron Warriors, etc). Hopefully, they'll get some sort of deep strike ability, where they gravchute into position. They used to be able to, especially with Elysian Drop Troops. It'd suit Iron Warriors to have tarantulas dropped down behind or in trenches.

Well in fluff currently Tarantula turrets are dropped on the field. Even the new Araknae Quad is also apparently dropped into battle.

 Snord wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still in for Rapiers.

Never been entirely convinced by Tarantulas. Not sure why.

Agreed on both counts. Although Rapiers currently take up a valuable Elites slot, which makes it hard to take 2 units of them. That may change with the new edition.

We’re told the new edition has relatively free build for armies. What that means and actually looks like? Who knows right now.

Well. GW know, but they’ve kept schtum