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Wonder when they are going to restock the resin models at the GW site...

I noticed all the Alpha Legion models returned... just played slightly different.

The Saturnine model are very marmite, so I'm guessing that lots of people just went for the book rather than buy a box with models they dislike.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Wonder when they are going to restock the resin models at the GW site...

I noticed all the Alpha Legion models returned... just played slightly different.

I put the Death Guard Praetors on notification months ago and nothing has happened since.

My plans changed from:

2 x big box
1 x each Liber
1 x "Isstvan...Again?" campaign book

to:

1 x big box
1 x "Isstvan...Again?" campaign book

I'm in "wait and see" mode on the game as a whole with all the changes, and on the Libers in particular due to all the loss of options.

I do love the Saturnine Termis and Dread though, so I'll probably get more of them eventually...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Wonder when they are going to restock the resin models at the GW site...

I noticed all the Alpha Legion models returned... just played slightly different.

I put the Death Guard Praetors on notification months ago and nothing has happened since.

Yeah. Hopefully something gets put back on there. I want to spend money on their stuff, but it kinda sucks when you can't buy what you need to play.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Anyone care to share the sources for supposedly discounted Saturnine sets?

lol

Based on the source of the report I suspect it's merely agitprop.

You don't need anymore stuff, though, brother! Finish painting what you got last time!

purchase0xomega wrote:

Got my orders in, 1 copy of the box from one store, 2 copies of the box from another plus 2 kratos, 1 deimos, 1 liber hereticus, 1 liber astartes, 1 special weapon upgrade, 1 heavy weapon upgrade. Best part is the kratos and deimos are free and the rest is at a 25%+ discount

I build, i rarely paint. Gives me anxiety.

To me the biggest kick in the balls is the fact that they are 100% aware of how gak this new edition was. They showed so much stuff in all these articles but not a single profile for a resin legion specific unit, or a consul, or anything that showed the massive cuts they had made. They knowingly withheld that info from us cause they knew it would be a titanic gak-storm hoping nobody would leak anything and people would only find all this trash info out AFTER they pre-ordered 6 books and $500 in miniatures. And on top of all that, they flat out lied twice.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
To me the biggest kick in the balls is the fact that they are 100% aware of how gak this new edition was. They showed so much stuff in all these articles but not a single profile for a resin legion specific unit, or a consul, or anything that showed the massive cuts they had made. They knowingly withheld that info from us cause they knew it would be a titanic gak-storm hoping nobody would leak anything and people would only find all this trash info out AFTER they pre-ordered 6 books and $500 in miniatures. And on top of all that, they flat out lied twice.

Hmmm. If my dumb hillbilly self could figure out how to post videos, I'd totally post the Pirates of the Caribbean video of that guy saying "First time?" Right now.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
To me the biggest kick in the balls is the fact that they are 100% aware of how gak this new edition was. They showed so much stuff in all these articles but not a single profile for a resin legion specific unit, or a consul, or anything that showed the massive cuts they had made. They knowingly withheld that info from us cause they knew it would be a titanic gak-storm hoping nobody would leak anything and people would only find all this trash info out AFTER they pre-ordered 6 books and $500 in miniatures. And on top of all that, they flat out lied twice.

Hmmm. If my dumb hillbilly self could figure out how to post videos, I'd totally post the Pirates of the Caribbean video of that guy saying "First time?" Right now.

It's The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, not Pirates of the Caribbean.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I build, i rarely paint. Gives me anxiety.

Quoted for truth...

 Snord wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I build, i rarely paint. Gives me anxiety.

Quoted for truth...

We need to start our own faction...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
To me the biggest kick in the balls is the fact that they are 100% aware of how gak this new edition was. They showed so much stuff in all these articles but not a single profile for a resin legion specific unit, or a consul, or anything that showed the massive cuts they had made. They knowingly withheld that info from us cause they knew it would be a titanic gak-storm hoping nobody would leak anything and people would only find all this trash info out AFTER they pre-ordered 6 books and $500 in miniatures. And on top of all that, they flat out lied twice.

Hmmm. If my dumb hillbilly self could figure out how to post videos, I'd totally post the Pirates of the Caribbean video of that guy saying "First time?" Right now.

Nah, it happened to me when they blew up Fantasy for AOS and said "It's ok! You can still use your armies!" and over the next 3 editions the amount of Fantasy minis you could use was slowly eroded before basically being non-existent.

Then It happened when they introduced Primaris Marines and said "It's ok! You can still use your armies!" and over the next 3 editions the amount of Firstborn minis you could use was slowly eroded away before basically being non-existent.

And now it happened when they said in HH3.0 "It's ok! You can still use your armies!" and swept the fething rug out from under an entire community that hard-carried your 3rd best selling miniature game for over a decade.

And then after a few years they bring it all back and make it all usable again. Sometimes 5, sometimes 15. I do wonder what those people who burned their entire elf army thought then old world came out and turned out to be pretty solid.

cody.d. wrote:
And then after a few years they bring it all back and make it all usable again. Sometimes 5, sometimes 15. I do wonder what those people who burned their entire elf army thought then old world came out and turned out to be pretty solid.

I was one of those poor sods who put his Bretonians up for sale.

But I think GW will course correct and put out rules for most of the missing models.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

cody.d. wrote:
And then after a few years they bring it all back and make it all usable again. Sometimes 5, sometimes 15. I do wonder what those people who burned their entire elf army thought then old world came out and turned out to be pretty solid.

I was one of those poor sods who put his Bretonians up for sale.

But I think GW will course correct and put out rules for most of the missing models.

Sure, for general stuff look no further than the Legends PDFs they've told you are coming. And that are going to be game/tourney/event legal!
But yet most of these people are going to keep right on about how they've deleted this or that unit, invalidated their forces, etc etc etc.

We all know what Legends means: Legal for one more edition and then gone.

I think you're putting too much faith in the Legends PDF honestly. The removals are both wide and deep, and in my opinion go further than a simple errata can fix. For example you'd have to start adding 2 more entries per Consul to accommodate Jump, Cataphractii and Tartaros variants. That alone is what, 20+ new entries?
As well as introducing bike and jetbike options for the power armoured variants. Every one of them needs their wargear options back as well.

Edit- I'm getting confused between which options are wargear and which are entirely new profiles.

Yea what are they going to do, put the entire 2.0 Libres in Legends that's legal alongside the 3.0 Libre?

I see them cherry-picking a few units and giving them rules alongside an article on converting them. So maybe Destroyers would find a way back, and possibly characters on jetbikes (pretty rare in the lists I've seen, but very cool modelling subjects). I can't see them adding multiple weapon options back in, and less common units like Grey Stalkers will likely stay dead.

The ironic thing about removing all the Consul weapon options that aren't depicted on the resin models is most of those models are almost permanently unavailable online, so people are still going to resort to converting and 3-D printers...

Yeah its too extensive to fix with a pdf and honestly, If thats the case they should make a free updated liber book set for both loyalties. Theres too much to fix and re-add.

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

cody.d. wrote:
And then after a few years they bring it all back and make it all usable again. Sometimes 5, sometimes 15. I do wonder what those people who burned their entire elf army thought then old world came out and turned out to be pretty solid.

I was one of those poor sods who put his Bretonians up for sale.

But I think GW will course correct and put out rules for most of the missing models.

Sure, for general stuff look no further than the Legends PDFs they've told you are coming. And that are going to be game/tourney/event legal!
But yet most of these people are going to keep right on about how they've deleted this or that unit, invalidated their forces, etc etc etc.

You do grasp that to fully restore what was lost they would essentially have to give us a second Liber, right? For free. "Wait for the previews", "wait for the libers", now it's "wait for the Legacies PDF" and no doubt once that turns out to be a wet fart in a quiet room people like yourself will be back with "omg stop overreacting, just wait for the Journal Tacticas to slowly add everything back at your expense you ingrates"

Heresy Hammer have done a pretty good episode on 3rd Edition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJ_GBnDdxQ

Warning - their language can be a bit fruity…

Ya all the people that are like wait for the legacies PDF mise well be paid company shills.

We have all watched GW do this to basically every single one of their other games---new edition....a bunch of stuff to legacies you "can" still play----not like you would want to for many of the crap profiles/point costs they gave them with no balance or updates anymore.

Then 2-3 years if that long later they do yet another new edition and all the legacies are gone from the game. Anything on the legacy list is basically removed from the game.

Anyone that supports the company at this point just likes to waste money......3d print or other methods are by far the best method to get the models at much more cost effective price points since the company has no desire to really respect or support the community and customers it has.

One of the biggest churn profits for GW is the constant rule book churn everyone buys, stop buying the new books and they will make changes to how they do things. You can tell this as its why they are trying to get rid of the models since they can be sold on and undercut the ridiculous full retail price GW asks. The books tho they can just invalidate every couple years then get full profit on them when all the lemmings buy them again in 2 years.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Nicorex wrote:
Have we seen the pages for Techmarines and Apothocarys?

Yes. The Apothecary page is quite... hard to parse.

Anyway to share a link to it?

chaos45 wrote:
Ya all the people that are like wait for the legacies PDF mise well be paid company shills.

We have all watched GW do this to basically every single one of their other games---new edition....a bunch of stuff to legacies you "can" still play----not like you would want to for many of the crap profiles/point costs they gave them with no balance or updates anymore.

For Necromunda, they put up PDFs for all the House gangs at the start, and then released books (several times!) with the rules in print. I can only presume that for this, all the legends units will be used as filler for the upcoming Journals, as they release new models for them.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos45 wrote:
Ya all the people that are like wait for the legacies PDF mise well be paid company shills.

We have all watched GW do this to basically every single one of their other games---new edition....a bunch of stuff to legacies you "can" still play----not like you would want to for many of the crap profiles/point costs they gave them with no balance or updates anymore.

For Necromunda, they put up PDFs for all the House gangs at the start, and then released books (several times!) with the rules in print. I can only presume that for this, all the legends units will be used as filler for the upcoming Journals, as they release new models for them.

I wouldnt count on it. Based on AoS and 40k which are systems closer in size to 30k they didnt do that for any of the legacy models. 40k models once legacy are then completely gone next edition same with AoS.

As i mentioned i did order the box set because I'm sure even compared to second hand for all the models its a decent deal but not buying the dead tree stuff they can keep it and i can just use 2nd ed rules for the few times i have time to play with friends. Its easy enough to convert the saturine/new wpns to 2nd ed. Think I already saw some PDFs of groups that have done just that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We all know what Legends means: Legal for one more edition and then gone.

Look, for whatever lands in the Legacy category? You've got two choices:
1) Stop playing with your toys now for whatever reason you can justify.
2) Play with it for as long as it's got rules.

I remember when they took plasma pistols away from assault squads in I think 2E, and in my local GW they ran a whole session where you could bring your models in and they'd give you bolt pistols and help you swap them out.

Unthinkable now. Just send it to landfill and buy our new things, walking wallet

Mozzamanx wrote:
I think you're putting too much faith in the Legends PDF honestly. The removals are both wide and deep, and in my opinion go further than a simple errata can fix. For example you'd have to start adding 2 more entries per Consul to accommodate Jump, Cataphractii and Tartaros variants. That alone is what, 20+ new entries?
As well as introducing bike and jetbike options for the power armoured variants. Every one of them needs their wargear options back as well.

OMG! 20(+) entries!

Clearly you know nothing about 40k Legends.... For the Imperium factions alone there are at least 80 entries (maybe a few more).
And there's about that many more covering Chaos/Xenos/Unaligned combined.
The majority of these were created at the dawn of 10 - either Legends specific for things already Legends in 8e/9e, or for the Index lists that were then copy-pasted to Legends when the relevant Codex arrived.
And then there's one off things that have come out since - Provisionally Prepared, Hells Last, the annual Red Gobbo, etc
But the vast majority were created at the dawn of 10e.

So it's entirely to do a mere 20ish - especially when it's virtually all Marines.