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It might also just be something that manged to "slip the net". You can very much tell that its a management driven directive not a hobby/modeller/creative staffer driven one (save for the fact that it makes more work for creatives which is a good thing for job security

It's like everyone has forgotten about the Exemplar Battles PDFs and non-Liber armies where kitbashing and converting are actively encouraged.

Hell's bells, the Atramentar were converted with Liberator shoulder pads from AoS so they have the lion shoulder guard they're known for.

HH3 is a mess for sure, but the studio team are still getting conversion and kitbashing opportunities through (even if it is behind a £25 paywall for a book with minimal content).

A different take on Heresy Not 40K?

Most of all, it’s Marines and Chaos Marines that would benefit, yes? And Marines certainly already have a wealth of options.

Start adding in everything Heresy (such as more exotic weapons, super heavies, Jetbikes toting heavy weapons) and you quickly run into a balancing issue.

Custards? Well, right now? They’re barely an army. As was pointed out to me by Border Countess (thank you!) the FW stuff is already matched play compatible. But you’ve still price disparity.

So, maintaining that access, and even porting everything plastic in heresy across isn’t expanding the 40k Custards beyond the sort of unit variety most 40K armies enjoy already.

In summary? And keep in mind this is just my opinion? It’s a different proposition.

Lord Aureus wrote:

The split isn't between individual games, it's between the main studio and specialist games one. Necromunda is part of specialist games so there's no problem crossing over those models with the Heresy. If they had been recommending to use the Krieg models from 40k instead for example, then that would have indicated a huge change in policy.

But the imperial militia list is open to lots of non-SDS kits, some of them explicitly only sold from the 40k studio like GSC mining weapons. Weapon options from the krieg artillery team are mentioned by name, and the cavalry option supports both death riders & rough riders.

Whoever wrote that PDF didn't think there was a limitation between studios.

 Gael Knight wrote:
The new Custodes are missing their Guardian Spear triggers.

Didn't they mention that they're fired now by twisting a part of the haft?

I agree that the old triggers balanced the weapons more (they are awfully top-heavy now). But it's clearly deliberate.

Not just balance but they helped avoid that "we just stuck a gun on the end of a spear" look.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
The new Custodes are missing their Guardian Spear triggers.

Didn't they mention that they're fired now by twisting a part of the haft?

I agree that the old triggers balanced the weapons more (they are awfully top-heavy now). But it's clearly deliberate.

I hope no Custode wants to fire their spear one-handed...

You'd definitely want two hands for anything that long, or you won't get any stable aim anyway.

The plainer hafts of the new spears do make for more effective melee weapons though, with more places to grip. I do like both styles though.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
You'd definitely want two hands for anything that long, or you won't get any stable aim anyway.

Watch Tealc from Stargate SG1 on how a shooty spear works

 Ashiraya wrote:
You'd definitely want two hands for anything that long, or you won't get any stable aim anyway.

Nobody has ever suffered an arm wound in combat, luckily.

EDIT: How do the swords shoot? It can't be the same 'twist the handle' explanation as the spears. So why don't the spears use the same method as the swords?

I’m assuming some kind of MIU or linked Haptic Trigger. Either way? Something which all but assures an opponent can never fully use your weapon against you.

I mean, lightsabers are activated and deactivated by a small button(sometimes designed to be inset on the hilt), why couldn't the same be true for Custodes weapons. We literally put pressure sensitive button technology into video game controllers, not that far a stretch a future weapon has that tech.

That too

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
You'd definitely want two hands for anything that long, or you won't get any stable aim anyway.

Nobody has ever suffered an arm wound in combat, luckily.

And that is why the Imperium has completely abandoned two-handed weapons. Most astute.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
You'd definitely want two hands for anything that long, or you won't get any stable aim anyway.

Nobody has ever suffered an arm wound in combat, luckily.

And that is why the Imperium has completely abandoned two-handed weapons. Most astute.

The most sensible solution (in Imperial Logic™, somewhat of a cousin to Imperial Truth™) is to take a page from a very old book and just make a weapon that's always firing, and have the user constantly hold a button to stop that.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I mean, lightsabers are activated and deactivated by a small button(sometimes designed to be inset on the hilt), why couldn't the same be true for Custodes weapons. We literally put pressure sensitive button technology into video game controllers, not that far a stretch a future weapon has that tech.

But GW said that you twist the the spears like a grimdark Bop It!

Tsagualsa wrote:
The most sensible solution (in Imperial Logic™, somewhat of a cousin to Imperial Truth™) is to take a page from a very old book and just make a weapon that's always firing, and have the user constantly hold a button to stop that.

I worry that would draw attention from the Bad Moonz legal team...

It also must really help with accuracy, twisting the same wrists that are holding the thing steady, but they can just spray and pray with that gun holding like a whole 8 bolter rounds.

I think I'd prefer if they just made it voice activated, "Shooty spear, open fire!"

Loving the new plastics for Custodes - everything infantry-wise just looks...better? More proportional?

And having their tanks in plastic is a very welcome thing.

 xttz wrote:

twoseventwo wrote:
Hard to see the logic for even retaining separate 30k/40k ranges in this case, now the resin is on the way out. It's not like the design language is much different.

Maybe (probably?) they find a reason next time the 40k range is due a major update, but maybe they decide that there is long-standing precedent (daemons) for sharing models between systems, so why not?

It might take another year or three, but replacing the 40k range with these at least seems plausible. However to keep a little consistency, GW may well wait until HH gets around to updating things like Allarus terminators & jetbikes before encouraging wholesale replacement

I don't think so. They've been very consistent in splitting lines between SGS games/main studio games. They'll keep releasing models for 40k Custodes based on the aesthetic/proportions of the original kit as they've done since it came out, and eventually access to the 30k models will go to 'legends' or whatever they're calling it these days. While it does seem like they're approaching things with more tact this time around, no chance they replace the 40k range with the 30k range

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 xttz wrote:

twoseventwo wrote:
Hard to see the logic for even retaining separate 30k/40k ranges in this case, now the resin is on the way out. It's not like the design language is much different.

Maybe (probably?) they find a reason next time the 40k range is due a major update, but maybe they decide that there is long-standing precedent (daemons) for sharing models between systems, so why not?

It might take another year or three, but replacing the 40k range with these at least seems plausible. However to keep a little consistency, GW may well wait until HH gets around to updating things like Allarus terminators & jetbikes before encouraging wholesale replacement

I don't think so. They've been very consistent in splitting lines between SGS games/main studio games. They'll keep releasing models for 40k Custodes based on the aesthetic/proportions of the original kit as they've done since it came out, and eventually access to the 30k models will go to 'legends' or whatever they're calling it these days. While it does seem like they're approaching things with more tact this time around, no chance they replace the 40k range with the 30k range

I agree it's unlikely but I don't think it's impossible. Clearly, for whatever reason, Knights and Custodes have earned an exception.

I don't think we will ever see full overlap. The Dominus Knight seems to have been just rejected from 30k arbitrarily, and I wouldn't expect to see Allarus in 30k either. But I just genuinely can't see 40k custodes be treated the same way as ToW Warriors of Chaos were, getting the last generation models shed from Age of Sigmar. 40k is just too big for that.

Also? I seem to recall a similar "YoU cAn ToTeS UsE yOuR nEw Hh MaHrEeNs In 40K! Trust me bro" before 10th edition hit.. So I'd be exremely sceptical on just how much these will be supported in 11th..

That is true as well. If you are a pure 40k player I'd definitely approach this with caution. The Kratos rug pull was just cruel.

 stahly wrote:
I got my hands on the new Skitarii Battle Group and made an unboxing for my blog. I still think that the Battle-Pilgryms look super cool in a John Blanche grimdark way, but unfortunately, the kit is very limited and has some seam line issues. You can check the high-res sprue images and assembly options for all the models in the box over on my blog: https://taleofpainters.com/2026/01/review-mechanicum-skitarii-battle-group/

Thanks for that

The seam line down the cloak is disappointing and it's making me reconsider the box - a hard choice given the rules are actually very decent.

 Ashiraya wrote:
But I just genuinely can't see 40k custodes be treated the same way as ToW Warriors of Chaos were, getting the last generation models shed from Age of Sigmar. 40k is just too big for that.

They've built what models were created specifically for the 40k range - the blade champion, the vertus praetors, the wardens, the allarus custodians, Trajan, the shield-captain - off that aesthetic. I don't think that is something they're going to move away from, and it's less egregious than the TOW example as these kits are far younger.

It's precisely 40k being 'too big for that' which means there's no chance of a 40k army being in a perpetual situation where key options are branded as "Horus Heresy".

 tauist wrote:
Also? I seem to recall a similar "YoU cAn ToTeS UsE yOuR nEw Hh MaHrEeNs In 40K! Trust me bro" before 10th edition hit.. So I'd be exremely sceptical on just how much these will be supported in 11th..

Yeah I think this will be a similar situation to the Kratos fanfare, 30k units will remain available to 40k players for now and then move to legends at some point.

Armiger and Questoris Knights have both HH and 40k packaging versions, with different decal sheets inside. Custodes Infantry may be system distinct with a case of sure, use whichever if the load out is right, while the tanks and dreadnoughts get dual packaging and the old monopose contemptor and landraider borrowed from marines get bumped to legends

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Armiger and Questoris Knights have both HH and 40k packaging versions, with different decal sheets inside.

Good point, though the heresy versions of those kits are (and always were) online only and not present on shelves in stores, I don't see a situation where you have two of the same kit with different labels sold in a store at the same time. More likely I think is the current status quo hangs around until 40k Custodes get a wave of vehicles. We'll see how things pan out, but I think any 40k player that buys the 30k specific kits thinking they're going to be able to use them in perpetuity without going to legends is going to end up sorely disappointed

Skitarii box is less than I expected price wise.

 Ashiraya wrote:
That is true as well. If you are a pure 40k player I'd definitely approach this with caution. The Kratos rug pull was just cruel.

Awe, poor tourney players....
My Kratos plays just fine using it's Legends sheet.