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Feels like there’s plenty of change on the way and that each of the traitor legions might get an equal treatment as opposed to feeling like an after thought following the black legion.

Also the added cultist units and rules look really fun

Aaaaand there was a little teaser about Fabius bile in one of the Warhammer community articles the other day so I’m really hoping for expanded rules for creations of bile.

Kind of - although I play World Eaters, so I don't really know yet whether I want it or need it...

It's very hard to get excited about anything GW does with Chaos Space Marines.

I'm excited in the sense that if its the new OP faction we get a fresh wave of people complaining about power creep while the people who've moaned about Chaos being crap for so long get to try and defend it, while if it ends up crap I get to see people who complain about Chaos being crap continue to complain while GW defenders try to justify it as being okay because at least its not OP. Lots of good salt mining to be had either way.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I'm excited in the sense that if its the new OP faction we get a fresh wave of people complaining about power creep while the people who've moaned about Chaos being crap for so long get to try and defend it, while if it ends up crap I get to see people who complain about Chaos being crap continue to complain while GW defenders try to justify it as being okay because at least its not OP. Lots of good salt mining to be had either way.

Hey man, just wait and see.

No.

My excitement peaked and passed back during the preview show.

This looks like an absolute clusterfrag of competing keywords and rules that don't work together.

Cultists get legion keywords but don't get legion rules but can get buffs from warlord traits or strats (that you take or use instead of traits that buff marines) and cultist buffs may or may not apply to traitor guard, which are a different unit because reasons.

Several models (venomcrawler, oblits) are still missing standalone kits, and who knows whats happening with the HH stuff.

Plus the cultists, mutants and torments... from a game perspective they just look bad. Its a neat idea, and there are some great models there, but T4 3W and 6+ save for the big guys is just straight up inadequate for 9th edition.


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Really, I just want it done, so GW will move on to getting the last couple factions done and decide if they're doing 10th or another pile of garbage splatbooks.

Not at all.

I've been very excited previously but it's waning for me now. Too many ifs, buts and maybes over the new kits and to top it off it sounds like there's a lot of confused unit identities.

Considering all the shown and leaked rules. The only way for chaos new book to be worse then the one that already exists, is for all old units to go up 2-5 pts per models and all the new ones having crazy costs like 16pts for the mutated and 28-30pts for the big mutated cultists.

Feeling way more apprehensive about the CSM codex than excited. As more and more of the leaked playtest rules appear to be making it into the final codex unchanged, it's looking to be a mess. And it's becoming more and more likely that the leaked omission of jump packs for characters will be true as well. Not cool.

Night Lords have always been my CSM army, so hard pass on this Codex.

Kind of excited, will welcome the end to all the suspense.

My Black Legion army would like to get some use this edition. I've been playing Deathwatch and don't always like playing the bad guys.

Will be more excited once I know what's going on with Daemons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's very hard to get excited about anything GW does

Ftfy

Someday I'll figure out how they consistently manage to make it worse than 'loyalists, but with spikes.'

That bar strikes me as about curb level (ankle high), and yet somehow they can't manage to clear it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I'm excited in the sense that if its the new OP faction we get a fresh wave of people complaining about power creep while the people who've moaned about Chaos being crap for so long get to try and defend it, while if it ends up crap I get to see people who complain about Chaos being crap continue to complain while GW defenders try to justify it as being okay because at least its not OP. Lots of good salt mining to be had either way.

Hey man, just wait and see.

I saw Abaddon's leaked dataslate. A reroll 1s to hit aura! How novel! The gentlemen at the club shall certainly be agog at the ingenuity of the Gamers Workeshoppe and their constantly refreshing take on games of war played on the table top.

I'll pick it up, but I'm honestly more focused on the upcoming Heresy 2.0 right now

 Sim-Life wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I'm excited in the sense that if its the new OP faction we get a fresh wave of people complaining about power creep while the people who've moaned about Chaos being crap for so long get to try and defend it, while if it ends up crap I get to see people who complain about Chaos being crap continue to complain while GW defenders try to justify it as being okay because at least its not OP. Lots of good salt mining to be had either way.

Hey man, just wait and see.

I saw Abaddon's leaked dataslate. A reroll 1s to hit aura! How novel! The gentlemen at the club shall certainly be agog at the ingenuity of the Gamers Workeshoppe and their constantly refreshing take on games of war played on the table top.

Oh dear. I foresee a great many lost monocles when you deliver that piece of news to them.

Now we've seen the incoming train wreck.

It's hard to look away...

BrianDavion wrote:
I'll pick it up, but I'm honestly more focused on the upcoming Heresy 2.0 right now

Me too. But I was/am planning on doing a dual 30/40k army, but hadn't settled on a legion. But its certainly fething not going to be a traitor legion.
I had some doubt before, but this is just a steaming pile of grox dung. Chaos is done. Buried.

I'm sure that somebody is going to dig up some weird cherry picking that spoilers meta match ups in some event or other (for all of about a week or two before the next shake and bake list), but this is just baffling, inconsistent gak.

The only thing that excites me is the thought of my own death.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The only thing that excites me is the thought of my own death.

Sorry, the sprue only has one death and someone else in your unit already used it.

I was excited about exploding 6s 'doctrines'. After seeing some of the datasheets, I'm only excited to paint the new prince and Possessed. Debating if I'll even pick up the book.

 l0k1 wrote:
I was excited about exploding 6s 'doctrines'. After seeing some of the datasheets, I'm only excited to paint the new prince and Possessed. Debating if I'll even pick up the book.

Given how similar the CSM and CD Daemon Princes are, it makes me wonder if the Chaos Daemon range is going to get the same Daemonic special rule. Could you imagine Tzeentch Daemons with a 3++ invulnerable?

 l0k1 wrote:
I was excited about exploding 6s 'doctrines'. After seeing some of the datasheets, I'm only excited to paint the new prince and Possessed. Debating if I'll even pick up the book.

The new Prince isn't in the book.

CadianSgtBob wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The only thing that excites me is the thought of my own death.

Sorry, the sprue only has one death and someone else in your unit already used it.

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Pretty iffy feeling towards their release, Abbadon is the only thing that stood out for me as something that stood out rules wise and not in a great way since he's basically a wacky stack of all the rules trends of 9th ed so far.

GW has a pretty bad track record with CSM so far, they've always had an issue with figuring out their identity compared to loyalists and its reflected from how bad CSM have been as a troops choice across several editions now. I highly doubt they'll be relevant with their newest iteration and I bet anything that CSM have, the new SM book that's inevitably coming will have better versions of in spades.

I have seen the Scans. I play CSM since Codex 3.5. But now I am considering to put all my CSM on Ebay. I love the faction with all my heart but I can't stand the bullying and pure incompetence regarding CSM anymore.

 Lord_Valorion wrote:
I have seen the Scans. I play CSM since Codex 3.5. But now I am considering to put all my CSM on Ebay. I love the faction with all my heart but I can't stand the bullying and pure incompetence regarding CSM anymore.

Well this trainwreck is somehow worse than the 4th edition csm update.

Well after having my infantry squads also invalidated by restrictive options , thats it for me aswell.

No customization for hq.
No updated dp
No Traitorguardsmen
No customization for Elite charachters either.
Infantry squads options are moronical.
Chosen datasheet is rubbish option wise.
Terminators are rubbish option wise.

Let csm squads have two special or heavy weapons. Can't have two of the same. Meanwhile prior books for other factions could do stuff like that or even better. Good Job GW, people will love it. New players won't get "confused" by non box included options.

I haven't seen any of the leaks so entiely going on optimism and the desire to blow the dust off my eons old chaos army, but I will likely be picking up the codex at some point.

I will doubtless need to buy some more models (I kinda stopped playng chaos when the dreadnaughts grew diapers), because in my experience you can't get anywhere without the new stuff (I regularly play orks vs orks, and my old boys just fail against the new beast snagga boys). But, nevertheless, kinda excited to see what I can convert for them!