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Kinda disappointing if actually Angron.

I'm more interested in the guard. Aren't those new sculpts? They look different to the current ones. Proportions look different to me, and they seem to have backpacks?

Macro fex? HEY! I really hate the stupid big sizes on most nid monsters and the fex is IMO the best size for a errr fex or monster... Seems like GW is decided to make that sweet kit bigger now. FFS!

Primaris redemptory variants and Terms sounds a winner to me.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm more interested in the guard. Aren't those new sculpts? They look different to the current ones. Proportions look different to me, and they seem to have backpacks?

They’re probably the new kit that were visible when Creed 2.0 and the new Sentinel were “leaked”, then officially revealed.

I want to know what the guys in the background with pole arms are, the photo is just too crusty.

 Darnok wrote:
The background aside, the average 40K Space Marine army just is not usable under HH rules without massive restructuring. It would be the ultimate dick move by GW to "remove" the classical Marines from 40K with the notion of "just play HH instead". Which is not that great a suggestion even - what if I do not want to play HH?

As for 10th next year: the one thing I am most interested in is whether GW can actually get the product out to people in sufficient numbers. Apparently there is a worldwide paper shortage, shipping is still not reliable again, and GW has had issues getting their normal product into peoples hands. A new edition for their biggest game with all the usual bells and whistles will give them some serious headache...

Given edition launches are pretty big money makers, or are at least intended to be, I'd expect GW to put other items on hold or produce them in smaller numbers in favor of stocking up on new rule books and starter sets. I'd expect them to start the printing and shipping process very early on to avoid issues.

Depending on how their experiment with dropping digital rules went, they might also consider releasing a digital rule book again to take some pressure off physical stock.

GW, like the rest of the world, has had to contend with delays for three years now, but the one thing that has been consistently on time is the big summer edition launch. I wouldn't expect that to change. Making it happen is going to be their priority.

 Just Tony wrote:
So 3 year edition cycle times are the standard now?

Yes, the three year edition cycle for 40k and AoS has been in place since 40k 7th ed launched in 2014. GW has yet to deviate from it.

 eddieazrael wrote:
Can I just throw in here that I played Epic Space Marine and Adeptus Titanicus 35 years ago, right when the HH was first conceived, and all my marines (1000+ of them) were mk 6/7. And at no point did it matter a jot. Also, for those people saying their 40k forces 'won't work' for HH. Wot, your Marine with a bolter won't work in HH?

35 years is a long time for things to change and/or develop. Modern Horus Heresy has an extensive novel series that, so I'm told, tells people in excruciating detail what really happened. For good or ill people who got into Horus Heresy because they were in some way exposed to that may simply have different ideas than someone for whom the Horus Heresy was nothing more than a short story and some brief notes prior to the popularization of the Sabertooth CCG.

It's not exclusively a problem with GW, but GW is pretty sloppy when it comes to maintaining cohesion in detail of its IPs. 40k proper went through several iterations that leaves us with groups of people that got into the game at different times and formed their expectations of the setting, tone and visuals based on a portrayal that was a departure from what came before and/or what would follow. You just won't get around disagreements when those expectations clash.

 zend wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm more interested in the guard. Aren't those new sculpts? They look different to the current ones. Proportions look different to me, and they seem to have backpacks?

They’re probably the new kit that were visible when Creed 2.0 and the new Sentinel were “leaked”, then officially revealed.

I want to know what the guys in the background with pole arms are, the photo is just too crusty.

Khorne specific cultists, maybe?
Their silhouettes don't look like marines or daemons.

tneva82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:


Well, now they have two problems: getting offended and getting over it. Trying to dictate where other people's enjoyment should be derived from is inane.

Well some people want to play historically accurate and not have fight between ww2 americans and aztec indians either.

Why should somebody be allowed to force to play vs him? Why is one allowed to demand you MUST play with me?

It goes both way. Nobody is forced to play vs others. If I don't want to play with you I have that right. You have ZERO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to expect me to play with you if I don't want to. Any attempt to claim otherwise is insane jerk move.

Pretty sure either the aztec indians or the ww2 americans would not be a valid army for the game at hand, so I'm not exactly sure what the point of the comparison is.

We were starting with the idea of "using legal armies". A legal HH marine army made with mark VII marines is still a legal army. An aztec indians army is not a legal army in a WW2 game, and a WW" americans army is not legal in a precolombian game, so...

 zend wrote:
From reddit.

Spoiler:

Kinda disappointing if actually Angron.

The big red rage daemon has a World Eaters shoulder pad, so I think it's safe to say that's Angron.

Not sure I even expected anything else but a generic Khornate rage daemon. Angron has always been just that. Though I think he was more Bloodlettery in Epic.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm more interested in the guard. Aren't those new sculpts? They look different to the current ones. Proportions look different to me, and they seem to have backpacks?

Yes, they absolutely are.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
This 40K-Marines-to-HH thing is not a real rumour, isn't it? It feels like derailing this thread already.

They are just discussing that it happens. If I have a 40K army and want to play Horus Heresy, I may just use my 40K models instead of buying an entirely new army of nearly identical space marines. Because humans have limited resources.

You may do with your models whatever you want. Nobody is stopping you. However if a person with a 40K army demands to enter the social circle of a dedicated 30K group without putting in an effort to modify his models to that era of the setting then he shouldn´t be surprised when those group members oppose him. So what do you do? Stay in your own social circle.

Do you think the various youtube channels hosting HH 30K battles would invite a 40K player with a Primaris army or firstborn models with an Aquila chest plate to participate in a documented battle report? No they wouldn´t as they have standards.

The same goes for other kinds of clubs in society. If you don´t qualify for entry because you are a member of the middle class then you can´t obviously join the billionaire´s golf club. Is that an issue? Nope, it´s common sense as the upper class wants to keep the riff-raff out.

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35 years is a long time for things to change and/or develop. Modern Horus Heresy has an extensive novel series that, so I'm told, tells people in excruciating detail what really happened. For good or ill people who got into Horus Heresy because they were in some way exposed to that may simply have different ideas than someone for whom the Horus Heresy was nothing more than a short story and some brief notes prior to the popularization of the Sabertooth CCG.

It's not exclusively a problem with GW, but GW is pretty sloppy when it comes to maintaining cohesion in detail of its IPs. 40k proper went through several iterations that leaves us with groups of people that got into the game at different times and formed their expectations of the setting, tone and visuals based on a portrayal that was a departure from what came before and/or what would follow. You just won't get around disagreements when those expectations clash.

Indeed, and that is in fact my point. Over 35 years the setting has changed, grown, and what is accepted as 'facts' about the setting have changed and grown with that. That isn't the case with WW2 or other actual historical settings. But for someone to say "HH is THIS Specific thing, AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" is frankly absurd. Because as we've seen, the setting changes, and what's canon today, may not be next time an article is published by GW....at which point, what are the gatekeepers going to do - insist on playing editions valid in July 2022 and no other time?

 Geifer wrote:

 zend wrote:
From reddit.

Spoiler:

Kinda disappointing if actually Angron.

The big red rage daemon has a World Eaters shoulder pad, so I think it's safe to say that's Angron.

Not sure I even expected anything else but a generic Khornate rage daemon. Angron has always been just that. Though I think he was more Bloodlettery in Epic.

I just thought he’d be bigger is all, he looks spot on to the artwork

Both he and the berserkers look good model wise, and what someone else pointed out could be Khorngors, will probably look pretty good. Happy times for WE fans, Ives held off converting Berserkers using the Shadowspear CSM for a couple years now.

 zend wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 zend wrote:
From reddit.

Spoiler:

Kinda disappointing if actually Angron.

The big red rage daemon has a World Eaters shoulder pad, so I think it's safe to say that's Angron.

Not sure I even expected anything else but a generic Khornate rage daemon. Angron has always been just that. Though I think he was more Bloodlettery in Epic.

I just thought he’d be bigger is all, he looks spot on to the artwork

Both he and the berserkers look good model wise, and what someone else pointed out could be Khorngors, will probably look pretty good. Happy times for WE fans, Ives held off converting Berserkers using the Shadowspear CSM for a couple years now.

Remember that the Bloodthirster is a manlet compared to the other Greater Daemons, especially the Keeper of Secrets. It's important as it ensures the rage keeps flowing eternal. I should very much hope Angron follows the same example.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
"It's fiction, so it doesn't matter" is a terrible approach to writing.
I'm sure Tolkien would appreciate being told all that care he put in his work is meaningless and he should give Legolas an AK.
After all, LoTR is fiction. It's all made up, so who cares?

That is still not a valid comparison. All the rivet counting about armor variants is more like some self-appointed "Tolkein scholar" writing massive walls of text about why casual fans aren't permitted to enjoy the LOTR movies because Legolas' bow is an inch too long and if you freeze the image and carefully count the pixels you can clearly see that it's made from the wrong wood. No normal person cares about this stuff.

I only know that someone should give Legolas an AK. It would be glorious.

Legolas go brrrrrr.

Surely the Lion is easy to write in to the lore.
They’ve done loads of advancement with Cypher and Luther of late. The timeline is advanced there that the stage is set for his return.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
This 40K-Marines-to-HH thing is not a real rumour, isn't it? It feels like derailing this thread already.

They are just discussing that it happens. If I have a 40K army and want to play Horus Heresy, I may just use my 40K models instead of buying an entirely new army of nearly identical space marines. Because humans have limited resources.

You may do with your models whatever you want. Nobody is stopping you. However if a person with a 40K army demands to enter the social circle of a dedicated 30K group without putting in an effort to modify his models to that era of the setting then he shouldn´t be surprised when those group members oppose him. So what do you do? Stay in your own social circle.

Do you think the various youtube channels hosting HH 30K battles would invite a 40K player with a Primaris army or firstborn models with an Aquila chest plate to participate in a documented battle report? No they wouldn´t as they have standards.

The same goes for other kinds of clubs in society. If you don´t qualify for entry because you are a member of the middle class then you can´t obviously join the billionaire´s golf club. Is that an issue? Nope, it´s common sense as the upper class wants to keep the riff-raff out.

Yeah, you gotta remember that 30k players are elistist pee holsters and that you're only allowed to have fun the way they SAY you can have fun or it's not REAL 30k.

You see, gatekeeping is very important to 30k as a hobby because if it wasn't properly gate-kept, people might realize that 30k is just combining all the worst parts of 40k with the most obnoxious aspects of historical miniature games while also eating a MASSIVE monetary markup over already premium properties.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I most go roll a dice to see if my Spartan Heavy Assault tank gets obliterated by some shrubbery.

 Tyran wrote:
I only know that someone should give Legolas an AK. It would be glorious.

Legolas go brrrrrr.

Everyone's gangsta until the Cave Trolls start carrying howitzers.

 Tyran wrote:
I only know that someone should give Legolas an AK. It would be glorious.

Legolas go brrrrrr.

Been there, done that

That's just a random elf with a rifle, a surprising common sight these days.

 Tyran wrote:
That's just a random elf with a rifle, a surprising common sight these days.

Yes, and Legolas is kind of the standard-est random elf

Or, in other words: it's a joke.

Or, in other words: it's a joke.

No.

No Jokes.

Only Facts.

Sunno wrote:

Or, in other words: it's a joke.

No.

No Jokes.

Only Facts.

If you open your eyes in a pitch-black room, the color you'll see is called "eigengrau."

There, a fact.

 Albertorius wrote:

Sunno wrote:

Or, in other words: it's a joke.

No.

No Jokes.

Only Facts.

If you open your eyes in a pitch-black room, the color you'll see is called "eigengrau."

There, a fact.

The birthing process of an alpaca is called "unpacking".

More Facts

Danny76 wrote:
Surely the Lion is easy to write in to the lore.
They’ve done loads of advancement with Cypher and Luther of late. The timeline is advanced there that the stage is set for his return.

I don’t think we’ll see the Lion until GW decides to flesh out the Fallen as a faction. They removed them as options from the new chaos codex, have pushed the story arc for Luther, but we don’t have any hints of them making it to the table. If they do, I would expect the Lion to follow shortly after.

 bullyboy wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Surely the Lion is easy to write in to the lore.
They’ve done loads of advancement with Cypher and Luther of late. The timeline is advanced there that the stage is set for his return.

I don’t think we’ll see the Lion until GW decides to flesh out the Fallen as a faction. They removed them as options from the new chaos codex, have pushed the story arc for Luther, but we don’t have any hints of them making it to the table. If they do, I would expect the Lion to follow shortly after.

Fallen could be a Regiment of Renown in an upcoming Warzone if they felt like it

Yeah they could easily drop everything lore and rules wise to get us where we need to be in one books worth of content.

I hope the Primaris teminators rumour is true. Weirdly the first rumour doesn't mention the missile marines that have been rumoured for a long while. Jump pack Primaris would be nice too, but I hope they're not just normal Intercessors with jump packs slapped on. I Wish they're either sleek Phobos jump marines or chunky Gravis like the Incptors.


I really don't want more loyalist primarchs. There already is too many.

Tyranids need a range refresh, so that would be nice.

And the new HH models are cool, but the HH playerbase continuing to be insufferable has convinced me to never tough the game.

Danny76 wrote:
Surely the Lion is easy to write in to the lore.
They’ve done loads of advancement with Cypher and Luther of late. The timeline is advanced there that the stage is set for his return.

The idea of the Lion, or any other loyalist Primarch returning just seems absurd to me. Guilliman returning was a huge change to the setting, the potential with that has barely been started let alone exhausted to the point that bringing back another seems even slightly reasonable. Clamoring to amp up the scale yet again and once more throw a big, setting foundation changing event in so soon just makes no sense.

It brings cash. Nuff said