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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The wierdest thing about it is suggesting that there's an upgrade sprue for this

They're already on a very poorly packed pair of sprues, so far more cost effective to make a new modern sprue with everything on which is cheaper and faster to produce if your going to make a new one, and what would you put on the upgrade sprue,

unless they're making major changes to genestealer lore (or bringing in Ymgarl genestealers) there's very little you can add, a few different arm poses?, heads with mouths open slightly different amounts ? it's just not credible

Agreed. It's also really weird for the rumour to say new Genestealers are coming but GW are making a bespoke upgrade sprue that's only valid for 6-12 months.

The only way the rumour makes sense is if instead of "Genestealers" the author actually means "Genestealer cult", and there's an upgrade sprue for Neophytes or similar.

Edit: It's worth mentioning that a couple of people 'in the know' have commented recently to say that space marines vs tyranids is definitely the starter box for 10th edition, and that it's coming in 2023. However one has said that they can't verify this specific rumour and these details could be made up.

 xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vrizn6/i_feel_the_need_to_clarify_the_leaks/

Another one but its not the same account so could be just someone else taking advantage of the situation

Then Kill Team - set on a space hulk, it’s new kasrkin vs Genestealers (old kit with upgrade sprew)

That's handy. If we find out this Sunday that the other kill team isn't Genestealers then we know this rumour is trash.

Possibly, but with the caveat that GW has shown off only one side of the upcoming Warcry box and I believe the past two Kill Team boxes during preview events while holding back the other side for new model Monday articles or later previews. So we may not actually know for another few weeks, depending on how irritating GW chooses to be.

I'm a BA player, and I'd really like this to be true.

BUT we already had a BA vs Tyranid boxed set: Shield of Baal: Deathstorm. (2014)

I have doubts that GW would do another exact match up when there's been one prior.

 Moopy wrote:
I'm a BA player, and I'd really like this to be true.

BUT we already had a BA vs Tyranid boxed set: Shield of Baal: Deathstorm. (2014)

I have doubts that GW would do another exact match up when there's been one prior.

You mean like how they did 2 different Space Wolves vs Orks boxes?

Dudeface wrote:
I was OK reading that until the lion name drop. I'm not against another loyalist primarch, I just don't think the lion will be easy to write in and I'm not sure I trust them to do a decent job with such a complex situation.

I know what he means but it would be quite funny if the small 'L' was intentional, and Dark Angels are getting space lions to further cement their rivalry with the Wolves (cats v dogs!)

For what it's worth, another thing against the first post for me is ... BA Vs WE? Two armies of red power armour? That would go against almost every element of visual product differentiation GW usually goes for.

Pilum wrote:

For what it's worth, another thing against the first post for me is ... BA Vs WE? Two armies of red power armour? That would go against almost every element of visual product differentiation GW usually goes for.

It only says marines are fighting WE, Blood Angels are only specifically mentioned as part of the 10E stuff. That Shadowspear style box could be one of the supplement chapters like Ultras.

Has anything actually solidified the New kit vs old kit with upgrade sprue pattern? New Kasrkin vs a new Genestealer kit is possible, the first kill team was new kreig vs new kommandos after all.

On new supplements, I think at this point it might be better to redo the books to roll the supplements in, and then split it into a Firstborn with the older kits and plastic HH models, and then a Primaris book with only primaris models (and drop pods) and let SM armies take from either book in a detachment.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The wierdest thing about it is suggesting that there's an upgrade sprue for this




They're already on a very poorly packed pair of sprues, so far more cost effective to make a new modern sprue with everything on which is cheaper and faster to produce if your going to make a new one, and what would you put on the upgrade sprue.

You say that as if they haven't just made an upgrade sprue for the 20-years-old Cadians

At least genestealers don't have split heads.

That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

which has literally nothing to do with Kill Team.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Has anything actually solidified the New kit vs old kit with upgrade sprue pattern? New Kasrkin vs a new Genestealer kit is possible, the first kill team was new kreig vs new kommandos after all.

Just that so far new team plus old team with upgrade sprue has consistently been how the new killzone boxes have been handled after the launch box.

It's a good indication what we can expect if we are conservative with our guesses, but we can't rule out that GW deviates from it in the future. They would for a new edition. They might with the next one if they have a once per year big summer release plan for Kill Team.

It would certainly be preferable so as to spare us the old Genestealers, but I don't think we have any reason to actually expect that.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Has anything actually solidified the New kit vs old kit with upgrade sprue pattern? New Kasrkin vs a new Genestealer kit is possible, the first kill team was new kreig vs new kommandos after all.

Nothing has solidified it, no. Arguably the Nachmund Gauntlet set falls into "new vs new" as well. It's not like the new CSM set that got the upgrade sprue is that old.

On new supplements, I think at this point it might be better to redo the books to roll the supplements in, and then split it into a Firstborn with the older kits and plastic HH models, and then a Primaris book with only primaris models (and drop pods) and let SM armies take from either book in a detachment.

I'd rather they actually make it so the supplement books have some meat to them. It's so stupid how empty they are for the main book Chapters.

 Overread wrote:
That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

Be careful what you wish for. We'll get 10 Gaunts per box, all their limbs will be separate and each set of 6 will be unique to each body. And the heads will be integrated with the thoraxes!

I wonder what new units will the World Eaters have. Im obsessed with this particular paragraph:

That’s not all – the codex will contain old favourites, dark legends, and some things that you’ve never seen before…

I supose Angron counts as an old favorite, but, what will the dark legends be? Will we finally see khornegors?

Dudeface wrote:
I was OK reading that until the lion name drop. I'm not against another loyalist primarch, I just don't think the lion will be easy to write in and I'm not sure I trust them to do a decent job with such a complex situation.

Isn't Lion one of the easiest seeing we know he's alive and sleeping?

Yeah, I have heavy doubts. The "clarified" rumors are a bit more believable than the original source (I can believe generic marines painted like blood angels, I struggle to believe the starter box includes a sanguinary priest, and the supposed contents of the box are very light compared to Dark Imperium and Indomitus, there should be a few more characters in there at a minimum), but like others pointed out the idea of an upgrade sprue for an 18 year old kit whos molds are likely approaching the end of their useful life does not pass the sniff test.

I also struggle to imagine they are going to wait until 2023 to release SM 2.0 and the additional SM codex supplements, iirc in 8th ed they released SM2.0 about 9-12 months prior to 9th ed coming out, if they wait til 2023 then you're looking at best a 6 month lifespan for those books before the new edition hits (because you know space marines are going to be one of the first 2 codexes released once the new edition drops. They always are). The absence of daemons feels a lot more like the source forgot they existed when they were making this up than it does a case of them not knowing anything about them. Of further curiosity is that the last few editions for both 40k and AoS have only transitioned after the release of a multi-book narrative event (i.e. Gathering Storm and Psychic Awakening for 40k, The End Times, Realmgate Wars, Broken Realms for WHFB/AoS). Things change, of course, and theres no guarantee that GW will continue the pattern, but the absence of mention about it lends credence to the idea that these rumors are kinda fake.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I was OK reading that until the lion name drop. I'm not against another loyalist primarch, I just don't think the lion will be easy to write in and I'm not sure I trust them to do a decent job with such a complex situation.

Isn't Lion one of the easiest seeing we know he's alive and sleeping?

Easiest to bring back, but after that it gets a bit murky. Would he have a distinctive enough of a gameplay niche for Dark Angel players considering he's not an obvious over the top stereotype like Leman Russ or Jaghatai Khan for example. What about the story? Would having a second loyalist primarch show up take away from Guilliman's narrative as the last loyal son of the Imperium-that-was?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

Be careful what you wish for. We'll get 10 Gaunts per box, all their limbs will be separately and each set of 6 will be unique to each body. And the heads will be integrated with the thoraxes!

You forgot to mention each box will build exactly 6 gaunts and 4 gants.

 Matrindur wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vrizn6/i_feel_the_need_to_clarify_the_leaks/

Another one but its not the same account so could be just someone else taking advantage of the situation

This is a burner acc.

The next codex is Votann.

Then Kill Team - set on a space hulk, it’s new kasrkin vs Genestealers (old kit with upgrade sprew)

Then guard codex.

Then world eaters with Angron.

After that we are getting space marine 2.0 with chapter supplements (no new chapter specific models) in 2023. This launch will be with Primaris “terminators” (gravis marines with classic load outs and a take on the classic helmets), missile Primaris devastator (not their name) squad, and melee oriented dreadnought.

The launch of 10th will be nids with a range refresh like the necrons saw. Opposite them in the launch box will be generic space marines with jump pack assault troops and a jump captain (there is likely more units in the box)

The confusion is that the generic marines are painted as blood angels as they’re going to poster boy the launch, along with Dark Angels and both will see large Primaris centric updates (including a lion model). It’s going to be a launch focussed in imperium nihilus with “angels of death” codex nostalgia

Where's the daemon codex?

Simple lion And blue but heads a little blue leads nice side of imperium lion becomes king of the Nhile serving only the Emperor as he sees fit, after all loyalty is its own reward.


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Honestly I thought that's why they split up the imperium.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

Be careful what you wish for. We'll get 10 Gaunts per box, all their limbs will be separate and each set of 6 will be unique to each body. And the heads will be integrated with the thoraxes!

A kit like the Necron warriors would be solid for the little Tyranid bugs.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
A kit like the Necron warriors would be solid for the little Tyranid bugs.

A kit so expensive you're better off buying the beginner's starter set than purchasing the Necron Warriors separately.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:


Where's the daemon codex?

I'm expecting the Daemon codex to be like the Tyranid one, no one knows until GW posts it on WarCom.

As I understand it, a lot of these rumors, even when accurate, are based on new models. It is easier to predict a new codex when the sources keep telling you about these new kits. But then you have codexes like Tyranids that don't have new models aside of one character, and that codex completely flew under the radar of the usual rumor sources.

I'm expecting that Daemons will be the same, very little new models and no one will even know it is coming before the official announcement.

If 10th edition is to be Tyranids then I look forward to it. I'm happy to skip 9th edition and focus on AoS in the meantime.

Do NOT get my hopes up for this. I've been waiting many years for the Lion to return, and despite rumors he hasn't yet. I'll believe it when I see it.

World Eaters-wise, I'm not planning on picking them up or anything, but I'd love to see them get not only Angron, but also some kind of Berzerkers-riding-Juggernauts unit. They have something like that in AoS (Skullcrushers?), so we need one for 40k as well. Khornegors would be less exciting to me, but honestly I could see them getting a tertiary Troops unit kind of like Poxwalkers or Tzaangors.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

Be careful what you wish for. We'll get 10 Gaunts per box, all their limbs will be separate and each set of 6 will be unique to each body. And the heads will be integrated with the thoraxes!

And with limbs so spindly you'll snap 2-3 models worth getting them off the sprue.

Actually, I'm hoping its Tyranids vs. Ultramarines (Tyrannic Veterans). Just so I can laugh as steam comes out of everyone's ears for more blue marines.

<EDIT> I also think they will be pushing firstborn to Heresy and Legending them in 40K proper this edition, but... we'll see.

 Stormonu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That's one thing gaunts could do with having fixed!

Be careful what you wish for. We'll get 10 Gaunts per box, all their limbs will be separate and each set of 6 will be unique to each body. And the heads will be integrated with the thoraxes!

And with limbs so spindly you'll snap 2-3 models worth getting them off the sprue.

When I compare my tyranids to almost any other current model GW makes, they are very very chunky thick in general. I can well see GW making gaunts more, well gaunt and closer to some of their original artwork depictions because right now they are chunky.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Dear Lord,

Please let this thread die.

Thanks.

If people want to discuss these rumours in the News & Rumours sub-forum, is there a reason they shouldn't, exactly?

Look, I know you're always itching for a fight, with anyone, and a little slow on the uptake so let me explain.

Most of the stuff listed, was copy pasted from an old B&C wishlist thread and everything since is just people extrapolating off that adding just enough changes to make it seem possible.

This is barely a rumor and more along the lines of some people having a poke.

I'd rather the thread die and come back later when there's more weight and less wish.

 Stormonu wrote:
<EDIT> I also think they will be pushing firstborn to Heresy and Legending them in 40K proper this edition, but... we'll see.

I'm not an expert on space marine lore, but don't the vast majority of current firstborn units wear armor types that didn't exist during the heresy?

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
<EDIT> I also think they will be pushing firstborn to Heresy and Legending them in 40K proper this edition, but... we'll see.

I'm not an expert on space marine lore, but don't the vast majority of current firstborn units wear armor types that didn't exist during the heresy?

Yes. I presume what he meant is pushing Firstborn overall, not literally putting the modern 40k model lineup into HH.