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For my part I'm perfectly happy GW doesn't show us models as soon as their design is done because they are still going to be so far from actual release. Sure a formal announcement of release dates more than two weeks ahead of time would be great, but overall I don't have problems with how GW in this aspect.

I like the model, just as much as I liked the plastic Bloodthirster when it came out so many moons ago (possibly the only single model that ever made me decide to start an army, that being Khorne Daemonkin). I don't play Chaos anymore (no, smartass, Dark Angels don't count, the jokes are getting old), so I won't be picking up Mr. Angry Ron myself, but I do actually like the model. Here's hoping he actually has good enough rules that players will actually take him in tournaments (unlike Morty and Magnus who see relatively little competitive play).

I take back what I said about Angron's face. He looks awesome. And you should never skip wing day.

I’m psyched to see what painters of outrageous skill do with him.

Them some dead Cadians in that pic.

A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?

Tempted to make a joke about distinguishing by number of breasts the model has, but I'm not sure how that would land.

I like how his head is pretty much exactly the same as one of the early illustrations of him.




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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?

I reckon he will be similar in pose to the original HH image which would be unusually static for such a centerpiece model.

Otherwise he will be way too similar to to Morathi unless hes doing something stupid like flying or coiled around a Titan leg or something.

 TalonZahn wrote:
The arm thing driving me nuts is probably just an angle issue with the photo.

GW wants their "Golden Angle" in the photo of his face, doesn't realize that bicep is catching ALL the light...

Need some different viewpoints.

I'd turn the model about 30 degrees left or light more from the right.

BICEP!

Yeah, that's definitely a thing. GW's photographers are pretty good at picking dodgy angles and manage time and again to make good sculpts look worse. It's the number one reason why I'm reluctant to form anything resembling a final opinion on many GW models until I see the 360° view on the store page.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A thought occurs for when Fulgrim gets his turn…just how visually distinctive will he be from Morathi?

The question I have is, would it matter if they were similar? Fulgrim isn't a crossover model like a Greater Daemon, nor is Morathi. They're not going to get in each other's way.

I imagine that Fulgrim will have bulkier armor, his upper body will have a greater presence and with four arms he's not going to have a pose similar to Morathi pointing her (pointy) stick.

Well….possibly? I’ve not objection to similarities, but as the last Daemon Primarch out the gate, if it’s just a reskinning of Morthi’s STL(?) file, I think folk would be entirely justified in mass disappointment.

Yes that is tempered with the knowledge that snake bodied models have somewhat more limited poses than those with like, legs and stuff. Due to physics and wanting it to be standing up and nicely balanced.

Almost looks like some of those cultists in the back could be the Age of Sigmar Khorne mortals.

Magnus does not look like a Lord of Change.

Mortarion does not look like a Great Unclean One.

Why does Angron have to look like a blinged-up Bloodthirster?

If GW had announced this as a new Special Character BT, no one would've batted an eye.

I really want to like it - because it's freaking Angron! But I can't...

Because Khorne is unimaginative. And, I’m pretty sure Angron was the first to transition?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Because Khorne is unimaginative. And, I’m pretty sure Angron was the first to transition?

Angron is the second Daemon Primarch - and not even that late into the Heresy either. IIRC, Fulgrim ascended before him.

GW's gotta be seething about this one.

The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.

But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.

Honestly a bit relieved. The hype train for something like Angron would have been a long slog of "we know he's coming so just reveal him already", so I definitely prefer this. Pull the rug out from under GW and just get us the models already. They can make a big deal out of reveals when they get the game back to a state worth playing.

drbored wrote:
GW's gotta be seething about this one.

The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.

But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.

But that's exactly what happened with Magnus, too.

More updates to the first post!

Let's hope that the rules get leaked in the rest of this summer. And maybe a decent reveal of the zerkers?

drbored wrote:
GW's gotta be seething about this one.

The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.

But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.

Honestly a bit relieved. The hype train for something like Angron would have been a long slog of "we know he's coming so just reveal him already", so I definitely prefer this. Pull the rug out from under GW and just get us the models already. They can make a big deal out of reveals when they get the game back to a state worth playing.

Which is insane.

I hate modern marketing bs. Just make a quality product, release quality product, profit. It's really that simple.

drbored wrote:
GW's gotta be seething about this one.

The reveal of a new primarch is a BIG deal, one that I'm sure they had planned for weeks of teasers, a big reveal event at a tournament or other convention, lots of Khorne-themed advertisements ready for Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.

But then woops, somebody snaps a pic from their 2002 flip phone and uploads it to the internet, bye-bye hype train.

Good thing they had not just an article, but a trailer complete with music and rotating pans ready to go the next day, huh?

Not saying this is intentional leak, but I don't think this a seeth-worthy disruption to GW's 'hype train.' They don't generally spend weeks on a single model (no matter how important), and at this point a leak (or 'leak') should be expected.

Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.

 MinscS2 wrote:
Magnus does not look like a Lord of Change.

Mortarion does not look like a Great Unclean One.

Why does Angron have to look like a blinged-up Bloodthirster?

If GW had announced this as a new Special Character BT, no one would've batted an eye.

I really want to like it - because it's freaking Angron! But I can't...

Mortarion looks like a big, Daemonic version of himself.

Magnus looks like a big, Daemonic version of himself.

Angron was already big and angry, now he looks like a bigger angrier Daemonic version of himself.

Seems pretty simple, no? Fulgrim is the only Daemon Primarch that’s an outlier, everyone else is just a Chaosified version of how they already were.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.

lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.

It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.

drbored wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.

lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.

It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.

That, and the piccie I shared came from somewhere. No I don’t know the original source. But look at it. It’s a Post Production Photo. Photoshopped. Centred. Possibly one of a few dozen and pick the best.

It’s not somehow, miraculously, a sneaky peaky from the sculptor’s desk. At all. This is something clearly going to, or already, In Print, just not revealed to us mere plebs. Sure, it might be grabbed from a file sent over email to the printer. But it’s still post-production. A low res image of stuff long ready and only now, because lead times are a thing, going to press.

 skeleton wrote:
Seeing some old art, the model is spot on.
But if i look on to it, i woundt know it was Angron.

Is it? No snark intended. When I think demon Angron I think of the Epic model and that one artwork where he has a chest that's like 3 meters of bronze armour, but I have never really looked into demon Angron that much. Raving Primarch Angron interests me more.

I like the model, but don't have to have it. Gorefather and the World Eaters logo are thr best pieces, maybe lame should have put more armour on him. Dog-headed beastmen or beastmen in general,however would be ace. Already have a Khorne Minotaur with a boarding shield and a huge chainaxe that needs rules - or gets demoted to spawn or maybe Greater Possessed.

drbored wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.

lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.

It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.

And labelling everything 'a conspiracy theory' is the new hip way of hand waving away arguments without having to put in any effort. Without any additional evidence both claims are equally valid.

'oops, another thing that everyone knew was coming got leaked guys, oh no! best make an article.' At this point it's happening about once a month, and it seems to be a solid part of their marketing strategy. Theres no way a huge company like gw doesn't have the means to shore up it's media and ensure these leaks don't happen.

Gonna have to agree on relation to mortal form. Magnus and Mortarion are both easily recognizable compared to their mortal selves.

Angron just looks like yet another Bloodthirster, and I feel like there's already too many of those.

OK_E is commenting that there's one more thing we have yet to see/know about, and that it "runs through walls and is red"...


On an unrelated note:

Lord Discordants that worship Khorne, can ride upon three-headed Juggernauts known as Juggernaut Helstalkers.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

drbored wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Of course it's planned. Nothing isn't planned these days.

lmao, this is one of those conspiracy theories that just doesn't hold water.

It's not that the leak was planned, it's more that GW has to be prepared in case of leaks. To that end, they make these videos well ahead of time, so that despite how schedules and releases change, or if leaks happen, they have these articles and trailers ready to go when they're needed.

And labelling everything 'a conspiracy theory' is the new hip way of hand waving away arguments without having to put in any effort. Without any additional evidence both claims are equally valid.

A poster on another site claimed to be receiving leaks of a recent Codex from a playtester. He also claimed multiple times to be waiting for a date to release the details, which came out gradually. Most of the details proved to be correct.

In PR and media, this practice is called an embargo. It's a controlled release of information to achieve a strategic communication goal. In this case, hype. The gradual release of details is called a drip campaign.

Not sure why a genuine leaker would do an embargoed drip campaign instead of just leaking everything at once. Like every other leaker does. Unless that person's a paid marketing professional working on a hype campaign.

Because it brings them attention? Over a sustained period?

Now I am not saying that is the case, heaven forefend.

But is a possibility you seem not to have considered.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Because it brings them attention? Over a sustained period?

Now I am not saying that is the case, heaven forefend.

But is a possibility you seem not to have considered.

Considered it. Attention is a potent drug.

But sustained effort is not in the nature of leakers. They tend to want to blurt out all their wonderful facts at once.

Also, why would he wait for someone else to tell him when he's allowed to release certain details? That's not leaking.