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They missed the mark with this. I really didnt expect them to go this way. They extended the AOS line of Khorne with these. Seems more fantasy than anything. I think we'll see a lot of AoS models mixed with the current 40k Khorne models. Especially for the Jakhals.

I guess khorne is changing from rhino rush, dual land raiders, or and classic combined arms force of CSM to mounted blood crushers and heavy infantry on foot? A zoo of Possessed and these new heavy khorne infantry?

I want to see if their Land Raiders get a buff

There really is a huge overlap with the aos models. Beyond some similar helmets, I feel like they recycled a lot of assets and ideas.

Eightbound may have worked better as a Chosen analogue, but they really don't convey the 'possessed by 8 lesser daemons' story behind them. The Exalted version feel more possessed, and the buzzsaw hands look pretty decent, but this is such a whimper of a faction release after so much hype.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Andykp wrote:
The army seems pretty one dimensional, there’s berserkers, super berserkers and super-duper berserkers. Oh, and cultist berserkers, all lead by one of the mega berserker characters. Yawn.

Pretty much my opinion. I don’t dislike what I’m seeing, I just wish there was more to it. Maybe a Berzerker Dreadnought, as your body might be hacked and mangled, but you still retain the Butcher’s Nails. At least a smaller plastic Daemon Engine, such as the Blood Slaughterer. Sod it, I’d even have settled for a God Specific upgrade set for the existing Daemon Engines, as I just can’t see the shell not being constructed in praise of Khorne, let alone the Khornate Daemon inside not warping it’s prison into something more akin to its “true” form?

The actual models don’t bother me so much, as those you can go crazy and convert into something exceptionally Gribbly and Horrid. But I can’t convert what there’s not rules for.

Yeah the models are ok, if you like Khorne a lot, it’s the choices of units to make that’s baffling. I like the idea of Khorne upgrades for the demon engines, that would’ve been ace.

I was and am still slightly hopeful for this one, as an army of mostly bezerkers plus daemon allies is basically an update of my first ever 2nd ed army, but this feels stretched thin.

Chaos Marines have just had their release, and got new upgraded possessed and new enhanced melee cultists. WE are basically getting their own sculpts of the same fancy possessed and fancy cultists but trade all of the vanilla units for Angron and a juggernaut. It really doesn't feel like an update worth breaking out into it's own book.

When Stu Black said that they wanted to do something a little different for WE, I had hope.

I was hoping they would make units such as berserker-surgeons, a little bit of ranged weaponry (not a lot, but for example Teeths of Khorne armed with autocanons and heavy bolters), either khorngors or cultists with a militaristic look.

I was hoping for GW to show the diversity of Khorne and the World Eaters.

Instead ... we got this.

I don't have words to express my dissapointment. We get 2 flavours of Possessed, one of which don't even look like they are possessed at all ! Nobody asked for that !

It would've been cool to do Teeth of Khorne armed with Plasma Cannons, imo. Like in the original art.



It would've made them distinct from CSM Havocs, added a bit of 'close support' ranged flavour, and felt like something new.

Instead, you get TWO varieties of possessed who look like they're wearing power armour shirts (I can't stand this aesthetic).

Selfcontrol wrote:
When Stu Black said that they wanted to do something a little different for WE, I had hope.

I was hoping they would make units such as berserker-surgeons, a little bit of ranged weaponry (not a lot, but for example Teeths of Khorne armed with autocanons and heavy bolters), either khorngors or cultists with a militaristic look.

I was hoping for GW to show the diversity of Khorne and the World Eaters.

Instead ... we got this.

I don't have words to express my dissapointment. We get 2 flavours of Possessed, one of which don't even look like they are possessed at all ! Nobody asked for that !

That would have been great, like, really, just the right amount of originality and Khorne
I'm not even sure that the AoS blood warriors wouldn't make better berserkers.
It's just a bit disappointing but unfortunately not surprising

Someone mentioned that the Eightbound should have been more along the lines of a Chosen-esque unit, and I agree. Given the lore, I personally would have made the regular Eightbound just an elite Berserker unit and have the Exalted Eightbound be the regular Eightbound.

Something to note is that the AoS Skullreaper kit makes for an awesome alternate build for the Eightbound. Just put power packs on them and you're good: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Khorne-Bloodbound-Skullreapers

I just don't get why people were excited about a World Eaters codex. After how stripped down Death Guard and Thousand Sons got, you somehow expected the same wouldn't happen to the World Eaters?

An update of this is what I was after.

Absolutely terrible new models. The leader-without-helmet joke was getting old, but it seems Khorne takes this to another level and takes your armor away too, once you get promoted.
Better watch out, if a ninth demon possesses you, we come and take your weapons!

At least it's Khorne, so you can get angry at the new stuff and still stick to the lore

One of the Eightbound's backpack has the "claws" holding the vents that a lot of the generic chaos space marines have. This is not an aesthetic that any of the world eater models have. Its not on any of the berserkers, the chaos lords, etc. I wonder if it was just meant to be used for the possessed and they repurposed it?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Someone mentioned that the Eightbound should have been more along the lines of a Chosen-esque unit, and I agree. Given the lore, I personally would have made the regular Eightbound just an elite Berserker unit and have the Exalted Eightbound be the regular Eightbound.

Something to note is that the AoS Skullreaper kit makes for an awesome alternate build for the Eightbound. Just put power packs on them and you're good: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Khorne-Bloodbound-Skullreapers

Totally agreed.


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 Garfield666 wrote:
Absolutely terrible new models. The leader-without-helmet joke was getting old, but it seems Khorne takes this to another level and takes your armor away too, once you get promoted.
Better watch out, if a ninth demon possesses you, we come and take your weapons!

At least it's Khorne, so you can get angry at the new stuff and still stick to the lore

Flesh means they bleed more, and Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows. Besides it isn't like that is normal flesh anyways, it's probably as dense as kevlar.

 blood reaper wrote:
It would've been cool to do Teeth of Khorne armed with Plasma Cannons, imo. Like in the original art.



It would've made them distinct from CSM Havocs, added a bit of 'close support' ranged flavour, and felt like something new.

Instead, you get TWO varieties of possessed who look like they're wearing power armour shirts (I can't stand this aesthetic).

It's pretty tiresome to see GW (and most people really) pushing the WE into that narrow "huuur mele berserker" niche when Khorn is the god of WAR. Not "mele combat", but WAR as a whole, and he is also the only god that literrally roll around with daemon cannons.
WE could and should be way more than just mele, they should be about embrassing all aspect of war and destruction, because Khorn do not care how the blood flow, a long as it does.

Here's a great piece that show how cool Khorn marked Havoc could look (just ignore the IW marking)

Here's a picture of all the entire WE range as it is at the moment to give you a sense of it in full:

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I know it's not PC to even aknowledge it these days, but the fact that half of them are made of clearly smaller and weaker female cultist (that sport the same "modest" tank top look that they gave to the new repentia) just totally kill the thing for me.
Call me istophob all you want, I'm just sick and tired of that forced inclusion gak that makes no sens. Yeah, sure, khorn cultist are the most inclusive bunch that will make place for tiny women in their group of roided muscle crazed berserkers.
Just stop.

These aren't regular cultists, they're beefed on Chaos power and are stronger than most other regular humans. Also, why wouldn't they allow women to join? If a someone wants to pick up a chainsword and spill blood for Khorne, regardless of their gender, the World Eaters would see that as a benefit.

I think some pretty horrible things would happen to any ladies trying to join a chaos cult

This army is sad. You'd be better off with Vanilla Chaos Marines that look like World Eaters. Seriously, then you could have bikers, assault marines, havocs, and even bolter boys.

Can you give all those units the Mark of Khorne for a fluffy, but functional World Eater army? I haven't played Chaos in many editions.

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 CommanderWalrus wrote:
Khorne literally doesn't care where the blood flows from dude

Right, so I guess we should also have little kids and grandma in that cultist unit? Maybe even people in wheelchair? Dog and cat too?

I have always imagined Chaos Cults as a true last levy in which anyone is thrown into the grinder, so yes, literally anyone. Mutie hordes in older rulesets were literally made of pathetic, shambolic creatures whose only value was to absorb shots.

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 CommanderWalrus wrote:
Khorne literally doesn't care where the blood flows from dude

Right, so I guess we should also have little kids and grandma in that cultist unit? Maybe even people in wheelchair? Dog and cat too?

You know perfectly what I mean, stop that it's cringe.

Do we? Why don't you say it?

Personally, I think it's more cringe that you can't believe that women would be just as capable of joining a cult in which the god literally cares not where the blood flows.

It's not about them being women, it's about them being clearly physically weaker and smaller (are we even still allowed to point that out?) than men, and you can clearly see it by simply putting them next to the men in the unit.

Really? You've watched the little plastic minis do their weights and pull ups? You've seen how savage they all are and their combat prowesses and skills? You can tell me exactly what they're all capable of, just on appearance, because appearance means everything to combat ability?

In a gladiatorial warrior group, do you REALLY think that the weaker elements wouldn't have been crushed to a pulp during the selection process? Really now?

Yeah, exactly - clearly, the fact that these warriors are still alive speaks to their abilities. You'd probably be one of the ones crushed to a pulp underestimating them.

Goose LeChance wrote:I think some pretty horrible things would happen to any ladies trying to join a chaos cult

I imagine awful things would happen to the men too.
Care to describe these, or are you just being fetishistic?

 (HN) wrote:

 CommanderWalrus wrote:
Khorne literally doesn't care where the blood flows from dude

Right, so I guess we should also have little kids and grandma in that cultist unit? Maybe even people in wheelchair? Dog and cat too?

You know perfectly what I mean, stop that it's cringe.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
These aren't regular cultists, they're beefed on Chaos power and are stronger than most other regular humans. Also, why wouldn't they allow women to join? If a someone wants to pick up a chainsword and spill blood for Khorne, regardless of their gender, the World Eaters would see that as a benefit.

Damn, it's always sad to see how many get out of the wood work as soon as you point out forced inclusion like that.
It's not about them being women, it's about them being clearly physically weaker and smaller (are we even still allowed to point that out?) than men, and you can clearly see it by simply putting them next to the men in the unit.
In a gladiatorial warrior group, do you REALLY think that the weaker elements wouldn't have been crushed to a pulp during the selection process? Really now?

I just ... what? To your first point: yes, Khorne would recruit elderly and juvenile followers. I'm pretty sure there are bits in the fluff (AoS or 40k) that even indicate as much. If we don't see those represented as models, it's probably because having miniatures of little kids running around covered in gore *might just be a little bit distasteful, even by the edgelord standards of the 40k olde guard* (of which I am part).

To your second point: look, the power scale for followers of Khorne runs the gamut from human being to daemon primarchs. When Khorne already has limitless legions of bloodletters and flesh hounds, thousands if not millions of fallen Astartes, daemon princes, greater daemons, and whatever other physically superior alien races might've fallen to him (like Orks or Barghasi), *the difference between an average male and female adult human is negligible.*

Look, you probably didn't mean for your post to be such an embarrassing public confession, but when you jump on something as innocuous as a 50/50 male-female ratio in a unit where that is utterly unremarkable, it isn't because you're offended by "forced inclusion," it's because you genuinely don't like seeing women represented in your hitherto male space. I know, I know, I'm some sort of "woke" yuppy or whatever for pointing out something so bloody obvious, but honest to god, man. The only thing "cringe" here is your ability to politicize a game of plastic toys.

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 (HN) wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
Oh no, khornate cultists could never rape, kill and eat (not necessarily in that order) any women they come across, these guys are actually pretty chill and very accepting of physically weaker beings.

Why leave it at the women? You don't think they do it to the men too?

Fun fact: THEY DO IT TO MEN TOO!
And that's why the only one left are the strongest and most rutheless member of the cult, why they all look like roided mini marines and not just a bunch of random shlobs.

Talk about being out of touch, but hey, that's what you got when you are drunk on wokeness.

Okay, maybe some of the strongest and most ruthless members of the cult happen to be women. It's a game where cultists get drunk on blood and this gives them powers, does it matter if some of those cultists happen to be women that managed to get to the top of the foodchain

Lets knock off the name calling and whining about "Woke" and get back to the discussion around the WE release.

You know, I really think that if there had been Cult Terminators, the reception to this would have been much less salty. It's just such a glaring omission. It doesn't help that we have no idea if a second wave is planned, or even in the near future.

I will say that the Jugger lord seems like it should have been a second wave item. A Generic lord of butchery and maybe special character for foot lords seems much more in line. It's just odd.

 Sasori wrote:
You know, I really think that if there had been Cult Terminators, the reception to this would have been much less salty. It's just such a glaring omission. It doesn't help that we have no idea if a second wave is planned, or even in the near future.

I will say that the Jugger lord seems like it should have been a second wave item. A Generic lord of butchery and maybe special character for foot lords seems much more in line. It's just odd.

I guess some would.

For me the issue isn't the lack of Cult Terminators - but the fact its what I think everyone expected/feared.

Every unit is the same. Khorne always suffers from being somewhat one-dimensional - but this is sort of taking to extremes.
We've got stabby cultists. We've got stabby Marines. We've got Stabby possessed-Marines and Super-Stabby possessed marines to run alongside stabby characters.
I'm sure one day we'll get stabby Terminators.

Its just all kind of one note.

Dont spam the forum - ingtær.

My main issue is when a 'new' World Eaters army is compared to an older one, or even one ran from the CMS-WD hybrid rules from a few months ago.
Obviously the exact rules remain to be seen, but I'd be surprised if the new rules amount to more than a variation of Accursed Cultists and Possessed. Probably a couple of stat tweaks and maybe some exploding attacks or different AP values, but ultimately the same kind of melee infantry that fulfills the same role.
The cost of these units is the (apparent) wholesale removal of Raptors, Warp Talons, Bikers, Obliterators, Havocs and Venomcrawlers. I don't know what Eightbound are going to do on the tabletop, but I strongly suspect they are doing it at infantry speeds and with minimal supporting firepower. The Juggernaut Lord is hopefully very good, because he's apparently the only reach you're going to have outside of some escorting Spawn.

Obviously it needs to be seen with the full datasets but my immediate reaction is that existing WE players have probably lost more than they have gained, even relative to the current WD rules.

Tyel wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
You know, I really think that if there had been Cult Terminators, the reception to this would have been much less salty. It's just such a glaring omission. It doesn't help that we have no idea if a second wave is planned, or even in the near future.

I will say that the Jugger lord seems like it should have been a second wave item. A Generic lord of butchery and maybe special character for foot lords seems much more in line. It's just odd.

I guess some would.

For me the issue isn't the lack of Cult Terminators - but the fact its what I think everyone expected/feared.

Every unit is the same. Khorne always suffers from being somewhat one-dimensional - but this is sort of taking to extremes.
We've got stabby cultists. We've got stabby Marines. We've got Stabby possessed-Marines and Super-Stabby possessed marines to run alongside stabby characters.
I'm sure one day we'll get stabby Terminators.

Its just all kind of one note.

In the old 2nd edition Epic days, Khorne had daemon engines (including the Lord of Battle) that had short to medium range firepower, as well as the mandatory need to advance towards the enemy. Usually things like autocannons and cannons. Khorne also had the long range Cannon of Khorne that had a risk of misfiring and blowing up. The Khorne philosophy seemed to be to limit to high RoF short to medium range (plus again the need to close the distance) as it meant exposure to return fire and encouraging CC, and if not, there had to be some form of risk involved to the wielder such as the Cannons misfiring. Khorne does not like his followers hanging back shooting from long range in safety and seems to demand "some skin in the game".

I thought maybe the complaining was excessive but I am actually impressed they managed to do three separate "guys with two close combat weapons" profiles on top of the Khorne Bezerkers.

I feel like having a multi-use kit must be some sort of mandate so they just force it even when it's silly (genestealer hybrid metamorphs and acolyte hybrids for instance?).