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xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

Honestly that makes me happy. I'm 100% totally fine with an exclusive model that one day goes on general sale. You get at least one year or more of exclusivity on an alternate sculpt for a model and then it goes on general sale for easy access for the masses.


Short term exclusivity I think is one of the best ways to run it for a model firm. I hate short term/one and done releases of exclusive models. Heck the worst example is Warmachine's "Loot Crate" because that really is super fomo and if you miss the one or two that you want that's it - nothing but super hard to find and high priced 2nd hand is your best bet.

I don't see the value in this service anymore the shows drop to slowly, the model is no longer exlusive(which is a good thing but does reduce objective value as you can sell an exclusive model for more then one that's easily avaliable)
I canceled They got a year out of me. It was worth about 3 months. Would take a lot to bring me back now that I have seen everything on offer. Maybe I'll do another years worth after 5-10 years and they produce some backlog.

Anyways enjoy it if you like. I'll pick up the models for cheep once they lose exclusivity. Withought that the shows need to do the heavy lifting,and they don't even release one weekly much less than I would expect.

If the model isn't even exclusive any more then I'm struggling to think of a reason to keep WH+, and I imagine many others will feel the same way.

I'm glad the model isn't exclusive.... but I don't think it was a good business move to make it non-exclusive, lol.

I guess it depends, if you would get the model anyway. Then it’s probably a saving, and do get some extra content as well.

But I do think they need to focus on a lot more content only they can do.
More interviews, discussion about the games and settings.

A full campaign of 40K set in a region of space, with write ups on warcom for players to play the missions.
How they actually go about doing narrative games, with a focus on setting up fun games around it.

Things lots of YouTubers can manage for lots of games, but should be an easy win for GW.

Even some Doco content, with a hidden not revealed mini in the background for people to spot.
Anything to get some more content up as I honestly could log on once every 6 months and easy get everything of value and if the mini isn’t expensive then it may actually save money not getting a sub.

The animation side isn’t really of the quality needed for it to be a seller on its own.
When there is so much great animation all over now.

Everything else is probably as needed for value.

They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That's good news. I paid $100 for the exclusive vindicare recently, won't do that again.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Cutting out the rules from old books makes them worth less, even if I never plan to play them.

Toofast wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That's good news. I paid $100 for the exclusive vindicare recently, won't do that again.

That's why I was glad I resisted temptation to pick up the Company Champion model and why I'm not ebaying for the Commissar's Duty model. I may have to be patient but I won't be paying anymore over the odds than you do for GW Direct.

Obligatory post about the Loot Group that Mad Dok Grotsnik runs. As far as I know, it's usually cost of model+shipping.


Personally, I'm just going the route of pestering GW. They should just do a Made to Order run for the event exclusives at the end of the year.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That line was in the first year's sub ad too and it's yet to mean anything other than future proofing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Obligatory post about the Loot Group that Mad Dok Grotsnik runs. As far as I know, it's usually cost of model+shipping.

How did that go with the WH+ exclusives? Last time with the Terminator it seemed like most people were either getting WH+ because of the Terminator, or even if it wasn't the reason they got WH+ they still wanted the model.

Seemed there was only a few people who either didn't want a model or wanted the AoS model so could therefore buy the Terminator to on sell.

Personally, I'm just going the route of pestering GW. They should just do a Made to Order run for the event exclusives at the end of the year.

I don't like them doing exclusive models.... but from the business perspective I think they do what GW want them to do in generating "artificial" interest, if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

They've already done a number of previously exclusive models as MTOs, most recently the Primaris Company Champion.

 Platuan4th wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

They've already done a number of previously exclusive models as MTOs, most recently the Primaris Company Champion.

How often do they do it though? I'd still consider it the exception rather than the rule, but I certainly don't follow GW close enough to know.

I don't generally think when an exclusive GW model comes up "I'll likely be able to get this down the track".

Eh, maybe they'll do a 'five years of WH+' celebration or something and have all previous exclusives up MTO for that.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Yeah the online reader and poor search capability is a real barrier to using the Vault. I’d likely make quite a bit of use of the old material on there otherwise.

I don't care for exclusivity. Artificial rarety is something that only benefits scalpers. I just care for that the model looks interesting when painted. It's a bonus if I find it usable in play.

What grinds my gears though is the lack of progress in everything. The vault, while containing some nice content, has had 0 updates. You can't really search, everything is clustered all over the place. I can't even leave book marks. And it's slow as feth. I simply don't use it because it is a drag.

The animations are rare and few in between. The app has so much potential, that they just waste, because some UI Dev thought it is better to have everything in a modular wrapper with 1000 subtabs to open than to think about the bare bone UX of what people actually want to do.

It's frustrating to look at, like a guitar, a tennis rack and half finished "learn Spanish" book in the corner of a 15yr old's room. Hobbies abandoned halfway to the point of becoming somewhat decent.

I see things like DnD Beyond and can only shake my head. GW is still mentally in the 90s it seems.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

Well thats me finished subbing when i get my "free" Chaos Terminator in a month, its not worth £59.88 a year for a £25 mini at mo and certainly not worth £71.88 a year for a £25 mini!, the animation is so sparse its unbelievable considering it was their main push for the service when it started.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Cutting out the rules from old books makes them worth less, even if I never plan to play them.

Thankfully they don't cut the rules from the White Dwarfs.

Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

 Original Timmy wrote:
Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday. Should get posted in the next hour or two.

Ohh this means end of the month I can claim my Chaos sorcerer!





OOOH OOH Could it be a Tyranid for year 3?!

There's been a rumor of a Kasrkin character model for a promo figure, could be that.

I'd rather it not be a Tyranid though. Not because I think Tyranids are bad, but because I would rather all love go to figures that actually see a spot on the shelf!

Tyranids can feature on shelves too!

 xttz wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday. Should get posted in the next hour or two.

Oh i missed that, hopefully it is the W+ mini

 xttz wrote:


I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday.

lol

I guess GW planned to show the Sigmar stuff today but the battletome leak forced them to drop everything on Friday instead. So today we get a bunch critters in a 'special' filler article instead.

 xttz wrote:

 xttz wrote:


I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday.

lol

I guess GW planned to show the Sigmar stuff today but the battletome leak forced them to drop everything on Friday instead. So today we get a bunch critters in a 'special' filler article instead.

I doubt it was intended for today. If it were, they would have put it on Friday to accompany the range reveal response to the leak.

They're not doing great with this kind of thing lately. We're still waiting for the miniature preview from them hitting a certain number of followers on Twitter.

Didn’t they tease the warhammer + year 2 minis then didn’t reveal them until months later?

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids can feature on shelves too!

They can, but anything that cuts back on complaints of models being held back.