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I'm surprised they aren't at least doing a store bundle for this.

Then again perhaps its a field test to see if people actually want the cardstock in the first place or if GW can avoid the whole fiasco of cards because people just want the sets for the models alone.


Even if they can't rebox things or adjust production you'd have thought they've had come up with the idea of an optional bundle approach. Throw a bit of discount on the bundle and offer up the characters and the cardstock in one easy buy bundle that they market alongside "hey you can get the cards on their own if you've already bought your soulblight characters for your army".



In a way I feel like this is one of those situations where how they deliver the information and package it up has a massive impact on how people interpret things.



I would wager this is perhaps 2 expansions worth of individual content in one based on the model prices outside of the set.

 Overread wrote:
I'm surprised they aren't at least doing a store bundle for this.

It's a way off yet, so maaaaybe they might do so if enough people pipe up about it.

What a way to make sure your expansions fail…

GW were incompetent before and that forced them to be incompetent now. Plus, if they quit being incompetent someone, somewhere would have complained too, and you know they're so very sensitive to that sort of thing. It was a real lose, lose situation.

There are people in religious cults who would look at GW fans and be like, "Come on now, have some expectations. You're only harming them in the long run giving every failure an A+."

 straken619 wrote:
I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.

I feel there is some big problem with expansions still and GW basically had to do filler (much like DG trio for BSF) 'expansion' (to not lose slot at the printer/pay penalty fees maybe?). This clearly wasn't planned from the start and just exists to plug the gap between game and first 'real' expansion so people don't lose interest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not such a binary situation.

Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.

Card printy bits need to be made regardless.

That would be two SKUs, two different boxes needing to be made and shipped, complains from customers who bought 'wrong' one by mistake, and a huge risk one option would tank the other leaving it completely unsold. Why bother when people can just buy the models or use whatever extra Vampire lords they have on hand and skip on all the headache?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.

Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

 frankelee wrote:
GW were incompetent before and that forced them to be incompetent now.

That about sums up the last 25 years I think.

 Irbis wrote:
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.

The worst part of all this is when this (rightfully) flops, the GW conclusion will be that people just aren't interested in Warhammer Quest.

So glad (yes, sarcasm) they made this disaster worse.

This will bite GW as many will buy expansion but use alternate, cheaper models, or just use existing models from their collection. Or people will just hard pass, period.
No way I will be buying the models separately, and the lack of models in the expansion will likely make me ignore it.

It really depends. GW might think that only Soulblight players would have bought the expansions so those people will already have those models or a need for them.

It might also be internal sabatage toward the quest game by bundling it like this and thus discouraging casual play of the game by not including models.

It's a strange choice, but Cursed City has been, well, Cursed since its launch. Still fantastic models, still a neat game and I greatly enjoyed the greater unity of models to the core game.

I hope Quest continues as I think its a neat way to give us a little more flavour on the side in a different way to Warcry or Underworlds.

 Flinty wrote:

deano2099 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

Then don't buy it.

You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"

Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.

The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.

But this issue is entirely negated by GW releasing the cardboard without the model. You can use what you like then.

Unless, y’know, you like your game minis to look like the characters on the cards and create a coherent thematic experience. Yes, I’ll probably get it and use The Crimson Court and some bats from Descent but it’s still frustrating. This isn’t a war game where people are happy to do “counts as” and one marine is essentially the same as another.


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 Overread wrote:
I'm surprised they aren't at least doing a store bundle for this.

Then again perhaps its a field test to see if people actually want the cardstock in the first place or if GW can avoid the whole fiasco of cards because people just want the sets for the models alone.


Even if they can't rebox things or adjust production you'd have thought they've had come up with the idea of an optional bundle approach. Throw a bit of discount on the bundle and offer up the characters and the cardstock in one easy buy bundle that they market alongside "hey you can get the cards on their own if you've already bought your soulblight characters for your army".



In a way I feel like this is one of those situations where how they deliver the information and package it up has a massive impact on how people interpret things.



I would wager this is perhaps 2 expansions worth of individual content in one based on the model prices outside of the set.

The problem is that even if you make this a £75 expansion, you’d need to be offering a 50% off bundle, which would cause problems in itself.

These don’t have to sell to gamers. They just have to sell to distributors and retailers.

Voss wrote:
The worst part of all this is when this (rightfully) flops, the GW conclusion will be that people just aren't interested in Warhammer Quest.

So glad (yes, sarcasm) they made this disaster worse.

It'll probably sell out because scalpers will be hoping they only produced limited quantities again.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Voss wrote:
The worst part of all this is when this (rightfully) flops, the GW conclusion will be that people just aren't interested in Warhammer Quest.

So glad (yes, sarcasm) they made this disaster worse.

It'll probably sell out because scalpers will be hoping they only produced limited quantities again.

If scalpers can find oodles of people to resell cardboard to, I'll have to revise my opinion of humanity even further downwards.
And considering what I got to see adults fail at last year while helping out with the general public (including hard fails with toilets), I'm not sure I can deal with that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
GW were incompetent before and that forced them to be incompetent now.

That about sums up the last 25 years I think.

Man, i wish i could be as incompetent as that and still be rolliing in the cash.

 Irbis wrote:

 straken619 wrote:
I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.

I feel there is some big problem with expansions still and GW basically had to do filler (much like DG trio for BSF) 'expansion' (to not lose slot at the printer/pay penalty fees maybe?). This clearly wasn't planned from the start and just exists to plug the gap between game and first 'real' expansion so people don't lose interest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not such a binary situation.

Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.

Card printy bits need to be made regardless.

That would be two SKUs, two different boxes needing to be made and shipped, complains from customers who bought 'wrong' one by mistake, and a huge risk one option would tank the other leaving it completely unsold. Why bother when people can just buy the models or use whatever extra Vampire lords they have on hand and skip on all the headache?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.

Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

I think this is right.
It’s easier to whip up a cardstock expansion as a filler, and chuck out in the mean time.

Surely the timeframe for just quickly adding all the stuff to the Soulblight book people can’t think is feasible.
And if this was all meant to be in an expansion originally, 4 models and bats, but all on their own sprues, sprues nothing like the usual prior Quest releases set ups, it would have been a super expensive expansion surely.

Given the costs involved, there's nothing "easy" about whipping up a cardstock expansion. Cardstock issues are the reason Cursed City vanished in the first place.

 Irbis wrote:
Which would be completely wrong...

Oh look who's back to do the thing he always does in every thread and with every post he makes.

Change the record Irby. Your entertainment value is waning.

So the Cursed City fiasco continues…… I’m shocked

On paper I really don't mind the box not containing mini... if it means the box is cheaper.
Now, let's see if GW will sell that miniless box at a reasonable price (20 bucks max) of if their greed will get the best of them once again.

Who am I kidding, ofc they'll go full greed and sell it 75 buck min.

Still it's pretty weird of them to no include the minies that were obvious designed for it since repackaging stuff is their favorite past time.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.

Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.

It was already rumoured that the Cursed City expansions wouldn’t contain new models, I never would have guessed they contained no models at all.

I think it's smart creating end game scenarios- that would reenergize people who've already finished the game.

But, no minis... from a mini company? That doesn't feel great. They could have put SOMETHING in there. Buying all the figures to play this? Ouch.

This is the kind of content that belongs in white dwarf so people have a reason to pick up a copy now and then.

tneva82 wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.

Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.

Nobody will ever know. The years between 2019 and 2022 are shrouded in mystery and no on will know because Dr. Strange cast some powerful magic that erased the events of those years completely from mind. Some speak of a worldwide plague while others talk of government conspiracies.

We may never know.

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its not impossible that this is content that has been re-written to use these existing minis instead of some new push fit ones that were originally planned but have now been shelved as there just isn't space on the production schedule

there has been time for them to have done it, especially if it's a fairly simplistic swapping (or if they've just dropped them in without much or any playtesting), so it will be interesting to see what players think of it, and how well they think it works compared to the main game

I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.

I have plenty of old vampire minis in my collection that could easily take the place of the minis gw wants us to buy. I also have a few of the old fellbats that I could stick on a new base.
That's all without venturing into the world of 3d printing.

Obviously we all love new minis but there's something almost refreshing about gw putting out a rules only supplement. If the rules aren't good it won't sell; there are no minis to hide behind. The gameplay of the main game isn't great out of the box but there are some homebrew rules that improve it considerably.
I wonder if there has been time to incorporate any of those tweaks into the expansion.

I don’t collect vampires for AOS but will likely buy this box and some mins to use it. I love cursed city as a game and want more.

I was surprised at no new minis but if the three we would have got were the ones In the article I’m ok. Not that keen on them.

All this talk of incompetence and greed is a bit of a joke really. GW got bit on the arse by international supply lines in this day and age, it happens to the best companies. And they are a profit making company with shareholders. It’s not greed, it business, they have a responsibility to the shareholders to make money, as much as possible. They did a lot of decent things during the pandemic, they gave back any money they got from government for support because they actually did well out of us all being stuck at home, many firms over here didn't do that at all and others needed shaming into doing it. Now I’m sure I will get called a white knight or what ever for this but at the end of the day they are a company that provides lots of local jobs that could’ve been outsourced, produce stuff in the uk and pay taxes here. A lot better than most multinational firms.

It does seem like cursed city has been an example of damage limitation, and now they are adapting to the policies that forced on them. There will be a market for this set, all the minis/cards sets they sell, there is a huge after market just for card stock, I have sold on unwanted underworlds and killteam stuff at a decent price.

Chikout wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.

Again, it's all down to the price they'll be asking for a bod full of cheap cardboard.
If it's under 20$ then it's anice idea, if it's over that then its just GW trying to find another avenue to nickle and dime their consumer even more.

It's a book with cardboards and cards, likely 60USD, same price as your average warhammer quest expansion. Maybe adjusted to price hike, so 65-75.