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Excellent! This was starting to make me nervous thinking it's never coming. And I already have all of the miniatures for my Soulblight Force!

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Jesus tap-dancing Christ you all would complain about a free lunch. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't I guess.

I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).

I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.

Personally, I don't think this was the original expansion plan.

At least not for whatever the first expansion would have been. This feels more like "endgame" content, when they had released everything else.

 Togusa wrote:
Excellent! This was starting to make me nervous thinking it's never coming. And I already have all of the miniatures for my Soulblight Force!

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Jesus tap-dancing Christ you all would complain about a free lunch. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't I guess.

No way dude. In a post that might some thinking if the real Mad Doc Grotsnik has been gimpnapped?

This is a poor showing.

Am I chuffed we get an expansion? Absolutely.

Am I very disappointed it’s pretty half arsed and comes with bugger all models? Absolutely I am. They could at least have split the difference and included a couple of them. But no.

In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

GW Free Lunch: $55 [No lunch included.]

 frankelee wrote:
GW Free Lunch: $55 [No lunch included.]

All you need to start the lunch is the Citadel BattlePlate, and the Citadel Combat Cutlery.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
GW Free Lunch: $55 [No lunch included.]

All you need to start the lunch is the Citadel BattlePlate, and the Citadel Combat Cutlery.

Just to prove I am Mad Doc Grotsnik (I AM HIM!), I’d still buy the Citadel BattlePlate and Citadel Combat Cutlery. Because I freely admit I’m a slag for it.

Still disappointed in this set though. Well. Is it even a set?

Clearly there was no way GW could have won with this release. Put the minis in and have people complain about having to rebuy the same minis they already own, or not put them in and have people complain about having to buy them piecemeal.

Or, I suppose, commission new vampire sculpts and delay this expansion for another 2 years.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).

I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.

I mean that is just facts. Clearly these were part of the original release from the beginning.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Clearly there was no way GW could have won with this release. Put the minis in and have people complain about having to rebuy the same minis they already own, or not put them in and have people complain about having to buy them piecemeal.

Or, I suppose, commission new vampire sculpts and delay this expansion for another 2 years.

Not such a binary situation.

Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.

Card printy bits need to be made regardless.

It's no secret things did not go as planned with the release of Cursed City. I believe they are just trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
They probably made the rules for this expansion like 3-4 years ago and it is the first out of 4 or 5. They just have to get this out of the way in order to advance the story and release the next ones.
At least that's what I hope because I like the setting of Cursed City and I want to see more miniatures in that.

StraightSilver wrote:
Hmmm, this is an odd one.

To play this expansion you need the following minis:

Lady Annika £21
Kritza £21
Radukar the beast £32.50
Vampire Lord £19
Fell bats £32.50

So that's £126 on minis plus the cost of the expansion.

Which makes this expansion more expensive than the core game?

Seems a bit odd.

The Blackstone Fortess expansions were really well thought out, but this one looks a bit like they didn't think this through.

Not really. What you need to play this are 4 character models (size to match whatever description is provided) and some bats. There happen to be some models produced by GW that you could use, if you want to spent quite a lot of money. There are no shortage of vampire type models and bats at all price points.

I didn't follow the CC debacle in detail, but it looks like it has led to an opportunity for those who enjoy the game. Depending of course on how much they charge for just the cardboard.

Somewhere in a parallel universe, GW released the expansion with the models and did a Made To Order run of it without models for the people who already got gouged on the plastic.

 Flinty wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:
Hmmm, this is an odd one.

To play this expansion you need the following minis:

Lady Annika £21
Kritza £21
Radukar the beast £32.50
Vampire Lord £19
Fell bats £32.50

So that's £126 on minis plus the cost of the expansion.

Which makes this expansion more expensive than the core game?

Seems a bit odd.

The Blackstone Fortess expansions were really well thought out, but this one looks a bit like they didn't think this through.

Not really. What you need to play this are 4 character models (size to match whatever description is provided) and some bats. There happen to be some models produced by GW that you could use, if you want to spent quite a lot of money. There are no shortage of vampire type models and bats at all price points.

I didn't follow the CC debacle in detail, but it looks like it has led to an opportunity for those who enjoy the game. Depending of course on how much they charge for just the cardboard.

Exactly that! I would sure love some new cool-looking models. But because of that has happened with Cursed City I now have the option to buy just the rules and not the models. And to be honest I really don't like the 3 Vampires but I do like my Crimson Court from Underworlds that I am gonna use to proxy them, if the cardboard box is not super expensive or anything. It's not how I am supposed to play the game but who cares.

Billicus wrote:
In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

Then don't buy it.

You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"

Or just bundled the models together. I don’t mind the approach, just the cost - it’s essentially a £150 expansion to a £120 game if you actually want the minis.
It may also be that they want to see what the actual demand for more WHQ is. A box where there are no minis gives them the actual demand for the game itself. As opposed to people buying it for minis and then throwing out the cardboard.

Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.

I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.

 Togusa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

Then don't buy it.

You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"

Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.

The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.

deano2099 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

Then don't buy it.

You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"

Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.

The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.

But this issue is entirely negated by GW releasing the cardboard without the model. You can use what you like then.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).

I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.

That's obviously exactly what happened. They even named the nameless Vampire Lord model. There is zero chance those models were not originally intended for this until they fethed the Cursed City launch. I just can't understand why they don't admit what happened and explain. Instead they maintain this ridiculous facade that this was "always the plan" and just look more painfully stupid every time they say it.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not such a binary situation.

Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.

Card printy bits need to be made regardless.

That's exactly what I would have done too. There's no reason not to and it would allow them to properly discount the cost of the minis.

Repackage the miniatures lot needed at a discount and sell those alongside this expansion would solve any issue.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Repackage the miniatures lot needed at a discount and sell those alongside this expansion would solve any issue.

Definitely.

When Cursed City originally came out, I jumped in and planned to go all-in. Then, well, we know where things went. Since then, I've discovered Shadows of Brimstone which satisfies my dungeon-crawler itch quite nicely, and seeing this expansion for Cursed City requires also buying model packs which will put it, together, at a much higher price point, I'll pass.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kind of highlights that the £20 price tag the champ blisters go for is obscene. Its one individual 32mm mini worth of plastic.

Wish gw wasn't plastic for everything. Right material for right job

This needs to fail, if this is a financial success, it send the message to GW that they can sell expansion for miniatures without the miniatures in the expansion, thus avoiding a discount price from being bundled together.

'Go home GW, you are drunk!'

 NAVARRO wrote:
Repackage the miniatures lot needed at a discount and sell those alongside this expansion would solve any issue.

Except for people who own some but not all. There's always gonna be someone left out no matter what.

 Dysartes wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Another expansion with no new heroes, "bad guys expansions" are boring

Your reasoning seems a bit odd here - how is an expansion that gives you multiple new chapters to play with the existing... 9 (I think) heroes any worse than giving you a few new heroes to play the existing content with?

I do agree that not including any new models is bad, but I don't get how additional content to play with existing characters - especially if there is material to enhance those characters with, which was mentioned - can be described as "boring".

The New Warhammer Quest 40k during its entire run has a single expansion with new heroes, the rest are "bad guys expansions", but come with exclusive miniatures, so many people bought it for the mini, not for the actual game itself, this New Warhammer Quest AoS seem to follow the same path, except there're no mini.

So what's the reason behind designers being so stingy on giving players new heroes to play with? Did the "competitive warhammer quest committee" decide against it? Did you know in these games the miniature you will be attached to and staring at for several hours is your hero miniature? While the "bad guys" are just different flavor of targets, you killed them, then you moved on to the next one, so in a shocking revelation having new heroes is actually much better than having a one off bad guys, and those things aren't even mutual exclusive, you can have an expansion that including both. And you might actually bring in more people into the game if they didn't like any of the heroes from the main box.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Repackage the miniatures lot needed at a discount and sell those alongside this expansion would solve any issue.

It'll be a Direct Only one-click bundle with no discount.

 Togusa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.

Then don't buy it.

You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"

I'm not planning to, why are you going on like this?