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2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

Aeldari need, need, need, need their Aspect Warriors finished out.

Guard just need Catachans redone, then we can start bringing back additional regiments.

Well, it looks like I can field my army with the new AM codex while doing exactly 0 buys, so yeah, I am happy now. I need to find my old metal kasrkins tho.

mrFickle wrote:
2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

They will never be happy. There is never "enough".

ccs wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

They will never be happy. There is never "enough".

No, there's definitely "enough." I'm pretty happy with my Harlequins models at this point. I wish we had rules options to represent the Bolas/Starglaive on the Starweaver, but whatever.

I recognize that the eldar range was so backlogged with finecast/ancient scupts that it could never be done in one wave. I am happy and thrilled that we got so much in this last one.

I don’t feel neglected, but hope that we don’t need to wait quite as long for the next wave of stuff. GW got a lot done, but as a range, there is still a lot of work to do.

I'm a guard player looking forward to the mind games that I'll be able to play with the deathstrike if the leaks are true.

Was I the only person to whom it never occurred to, to run multiple Scion troops in the same Chimera?

ccs wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

They will never be happy. There is never "enough".

Enough will be when they receive the same amount of model attention and refresh time as space marines.

Deriding customers because they don't have 'enough' when aeldari have 30 year old models, resin infantry and have had virtually no new additions to the army while other forces have had whole new armies built inside them from scratch, is a pretty petty position of privilege...

YES, now can we please get back to releasing new models for the really suffering factions? Like SPACE MARINES? I still want mono-pose SW LTs with claws and a wolf mask. LETS GO GW!

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
YES, now can we please get back to releasing new models for the really suffering factions? Like SPACE MARINES? I still want mono-pose SW LTs with claws and a wolf mask. LETS GO GW!

Ah yes. That new Castellan Crow sold in a limited time offer box, was such a great addition to the GK line. Just the thing everyone has been asking for. But hey when someone gets good rules and has fun playing them, they have to find something to be unhappy about. My army has been good to OP for 3-4 editions and I didn't have to buy anything new, because everything works sounds a lot less good, then muh models are 100years old.

Karol wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
YES, now can we please get back to releasing new models for the really suffering factions? Like SPACE MARINES? I still want mono-pose SW LTs with claws and a wolf mask. LETS GO GW!

Ah yes. That new Castellan Crow sold in a limited time offer box, was such a great addition to the GK line. Just the thing everyone has been asking for. But hey when someone gets good rules and has fun playing them, they have to find something to be unhappy about. My army has been good to OP for 3-4 editions and I didn't have to buy anything new, because everything works sounds a lot less good, then muh models are 100years old.

I thought new models were beyond you anyway.

Karol, when your entire model line dates back to the early days of 40k, you can complain to Eldar and Imperial Guard players, who've literally been using the same kits for over 3 editions. And that is low balling it. GK getting one new model this generation speaks more to their uselessness as a faction. Like Custodes, who only got 1 new model, they really don't belong.

Karol wrote:
Ah yes. That new Castellan Crow sold in a limited time offer box, was such a great addition to the GK line. Just the thing everyone has been asking for. But hey when someone gets good rules and has fun playing them, they have to find something to be unhappy about.

There are models in the Eldar range that are older than you. GK have nothing to complain about there, like my Tyranids, who have received a single new model in the past 7 years.

ccs wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

They will never be happy. There is never "enough".

Nah. I was very salty about the state of the eldar model range prior to the new codex release. Now, I'm pretty happy. I still want to see the rest of the aspect warriors get updated to plastic, but I'd be fine if GW only dropped one kit and a phoenix lord every year or so for the next few years. And that's mostly just because I really like the new phoenix lords and want to see what GW does with them.

I feel like, at least in my case, the attention we got with the new eldar 'dex was enough to move my attitude from negative to positive.

The new Eldar models are great - plastic Avatar and Shining Spears especially - but then GW loses all their momentum and we're stuck with 30 year old Warp Spiders, the bad 3rd Ed Swooping Hawks, and Phoenix Lords old enough to have children of their own.

as a guard player i always wanted at least one infantry/upgrade pack for each regiment (like we did when i started guard as a kid). It seems like GW doesn't want to do this (even though you think it would be perfect with kill team releases). Regardless of them seemingly never releasing or updating certain regiments my itch has been scratched by 3D printing. I now have death core/cadian/elysian/ steel legion/ penal legion/ feudal and plan on essentially doing all the regiments eventually.

If you feel like GW isnt selling the guard you want there are tons of great creators making whole ranges. I'm not supporting piracy of any kind just saying if you want mordians and GW isnt going to sell them simply print off some great proxies. I haven't been to a store with my army yet without being complimented and asked where i got my figures

mrFickle wrote:
2 factions that badly needed model updates have had them, or some at least.

Is this enough or do your factions still feel neglected?

They put the new infantry models on 28mm's, so no we're not happy

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new Eldar models are great - plastic Avatar and Shining Spears especially - but then GW loses all their momentum and we're stuck with 30 year old Warp Spiders, the bad 3rd Ed Swooping Hawks, and Phoenix Lords old enough to have children of their own.

My theory is that GW is planning to spread out the remaining phoenix lords over time. We got Jain and the new banshees with Psychic Awakening as well as the updated Drazhar. Two plastic aspect warrior kits came out with the new codex (reapers and shining spears). The one with a phoenix lord (reapers) got Maugan. The other one doesn't have an active phoenix lord.

So my guess is that over the next few years we'll see:
* plastic warp spiders come out alongside either dragons or scorpions and their respective phoenix lord (GW doesn't want to release hawks and spiders at the same time to avoid FA slot competition).
* Plastic hawks and either dragons or scorpions (whichever didn't get paired with the spiders) and their respective phoenix lords. (This will be during a bit of a slump for eldar because they'll be due to be powered down as 10th edition codices come out piecemeal; so GW will feel comfortable putting out two PLs with radically different roles so that if one isn't good in the meta, the other might be.)
* Updated avengers along with a new Asurmen. Avengers last because they're already in plastic, and you'll be wishing your avengers were a bit newer at that point. Plus, they can make a big deal about the guy who founded the path system getting an update and probably tie him into some campaign that closes out 10th edition.

Possibly swap around the first two as the exact order there doesn't matter too much. Small chance they make Fuegan the last phoenix lord to come out and lean into the Rhana Dandra like they did when the ynnari came out. (Fuegan gets to blow the eldar gallerhorn and is the last to die.)

I thought the Shining Spears PL was active, and had even been named? Last I checked, we didn't even have that for the Warp Spiders.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The new Eldar models are great - plastic Avatar and Shining Spears especially - but then GW loses all their momentum and we're stuck with 30 year old Warp Spiders, the bad 3rd Ed Swooping Hawks, and Phoenix Lords old enough to have children of their own.

Be fair on this point.

Whilst scepticism of the rest being done any time soon is sadly well earned (pretty sure I’d not even hit puberty when Warp Spiders came out)? It’s barely been 8 months since the current lot went for pre-order. So I’m not sure we can say that’s losing momentum.

Don’t get me wrong, my daft project wants lots of lovely plastic aspects. But I think expecting a second significant wave so soon is ambitious.

I need new swooping hawks

If memory serves, we’re over the half way point Aspects Wise, with just….now be warned I usually manage to forget one…

Striking Scorpions, Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders.

For me? Sod the Phoenix Lords for now. Sure they’re ancient but overall the models are still well detailed and visually interesting enough. Just sort the infantry.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So I’m not sure we can say that’s losing momentum.

I imagine the next Eldar Codex is a fair way away, and there's an even-to-good chance that that release will be a single model and that's it.

To put it another way: Outside of new/obviously unfinished armies that got 'half' Codices (Sisters 8th, Lumineth 1st, and more recently NotSquats 9th), how many armies have had a big release followed up by a new book with an equally big release, and also doesn't rhyme with "Race Kareems"?

The scepticism is absolutely well earned. But for what I understand to be quite serious flaws in the rules, we’ve never really seen an edition quite like 9th for unit releases.

Whilst unevenly applied, it shows a serious uptick in GW’s design capacity. And that’s got to get channelled somewhere, yeah?

Plus we’re seemingly no longer tied to releases only alongside a Codex.

Personally I’d love for Space Marines of all imperial flavours to largely skip an edition. They’re popular sure, but also very well catered to now. Instead, focus on getting anything left in Finecast which doesn’t have at least one plastic alternative (so, Marine Characters would be out for instance).

I think that alone would make many folk happy.

Scorpions are definitely a kill team release- they won't take a 40k release slot.

The other aspects are less suited to KT- Hawks and Spiders are too mobile and Dragons are too heavy.

Scorpions are the aspect goldilocks chose.

Aspects aren't really suited to KT, period, since they would be lacking the specialist concepts we usually see.

In KT 2018, Scorpions, Banshees and Dire Avengers were playable.

In KT 21, Dire Avengers are currently playable. I sort of expect a mixed Aspect KT as one of the specialist Team- a Base of Dire Avengers with a few Banshees and Scorpions as the specialists.

I HOPE it doesn't go that way- look at the new Kroot team: YAY! Plastic Kroot Hounds... Oh, but only 2 in the box, so it's hard to build a unit.

The other thing to keep in mind, is that the specialist roles within a KT for many factions didn't exist until KT brought them into the light. So Pathfinders, or Phobos didn't have the KT specialisms either... But then the Kill Team kit created those options, and now they are being ported back into 40k, making the original data card more intersting- this is how I hope they do Scorpions.

Pathfinders still had options beyond the Shas'ui, as did Infiltrators and Incursors.

Aspects are more rigid. Although Dire Avengers would be a good option to add some more KT flavour.

On the Eldar side I'm glad the Banshees and Reapers have been updated, although they're so pricey that I'd only get them in a bundle. The Avatar is absolutely badass and it seems a given that there's more to come.

Not all that happy about the neglect of Harlequins for 9th edition, despite the introduction of Lead Players and we tend to have one too many repeats of the Shadowseer and Deathjester.

Imperial Guard side of things, I'd just like to see a Tallarn Desert Raiders kit. I'd love to pair them up with the Necromunda Nomads for Atreides'n'Fremen tomfoolery in other games.

No, simple as.