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$8 million stretch goal revealed. If you like Blood Asps and Somerset Strikers, the this one's for you!
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
TalonZahn wrote: Yes, yes.... give us another 2 million dollars and we'll reward you with an $8 box and the chance to give us more money in Add-On purchases.
Regiment getting more of a benefit from the 8m goal than Batallion? I'd've thought you'd've been happy about that, given you keep harping on about it, but I'm definitely getting the impression there's nothing Catalyst can do that's going to make you happy with the campaign.
To those not saltier than the Dead Sea, I take it the Somerset Strikers are a featured unit in the background, possibly in some of the novels?
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Dysartes wrote: To those not saltier than the Dead Sea, I take it the Somerset Strikers are a featured unit in the background, possibly in some of the novels?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
TalonZahn wrote: Yes, yes.... give us another 2 million dollars and we'll reward you with an $8 box and the chance to give us more money in Add-On purchases.
Regiment getting more of a benefit from the 8m goal than Batallion? I'd've thought you'd've been happy about that, given you keep harping on about it, but I'm definitely getting the impression there's nothing Catalyst can do that's going to make you happy with the campaign.
To those not saltier than the Dead Sea, I take it the Somerset Strikers are a featured unit in the background, possibly in some of the novels?
I can't believe you think a Salvage Box is a worthy reward for an extra $2mil
Some people will be happy lapping crumbs I guess.
Yes, it does separate Regiment a bit more, but this stretch goal doesn't exactly goad the masses into pledging another $2mil.
Staying at double Batt, you can still get the same stuff and 2 Asps for free.
I need that Mauler to get made! I have spent way to many years looking at the cover of mechwarrior 2 mercenaries not to get an updated sculpt for that mech now!
lurch wrote: I need that Mauler to get made! I have spent way to many years looking at the cover of mechwarrior 2 mercenaries not to get an updated sculpt for that mech now!
It's not like they're just going to throw away all of the hard work on the ForcePack just because they don't make the $8 million goal. It will be made, it might just take a little while longer.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
TalonZahn wrote: Yes, yes.... give us another 2 million dollars and we'll reward you with an $8 box and the chance to give us more money in Add-On purchases.
I think I'm resigned to the fact that the plastic will not really get much better than retail, especially in the UK/EU. I'll take crumbs
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
H.B.M.C. wrote: A-hah. Another avenue to somehow not get a Blood Asp.
I've had bad luck obtaining Blood Asp minis over the years.
What's been the problem? There's been a few releases of the thing over the past 20 years... every single one of them was a flawless masterpiece that absolutely did not make me want to gouge my eyes out.
lurch wrote: I need that Mauler to get made! I have spent way to many years looking at the cover of mechwarrior 2 mercenaries not to get an updated sculpt for that mech now!
It's not like they're just going to throw away all of the hard work on the ForcePack just because they don't make the $8 million goal. It will be made, it might just take a little while longer.
oh I know, I'm just being over dramatic about it for fun.
Chillreaper wrote: What's been the problem? There's been a few releases of the thing over the past 20 years... every single one of them was a flawless masterpiece that absolutely did not make me want to gouge my eyes out.
I never bought the first Blood Asp mini because it looks like the legs are from a different scale game. Unfortunately looking thing.
I got the second Blood Asp minis but failed to put it together. Had a friend of mine try to put it together and he gave up in frustration. Horrid thing.
I ordered the third Blood Asp mini quite a while ago - my last big order to IWM - but it never arrived. Everything else did, but not the Blood Asp. But there was so long between the order arriving and me getting around to building them that I was never bothered to chase it up.
And now we have a fourth Blood Asp mini, and it's tied to a stretch goal I don't believe we'll reach, so, as I said, yet another opportunity for the Captain of Gondor to show his quality to somehow not end up with a Blood Asp miniature.
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I'm not very impressed with the announcement. I guess that if you are a Clan lover, or H.B.M.C a Blood Asp is a great thing to have around, but to me it's a bit of a is this all? moment. At 8 million I was looking forward to something way more special like a dropship, or some other center piece.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
Drop ships seem to be something that is getting sorted out in the background, but seem unlikely to hit in time for this Kickstarter.
I’m just back in the comments trying to calm the frothing loonies from being judgemental about people who dare to have a dissenting voice…
Every time I bring up the VAT issue people start shouting that it’s the government’s fault and CGL can’t do anything about that… except like not charging as much or something…
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
The problem is the announcement comes with nothing to make people add more to their pledges.
If you're going to announce something big for a high stretch goal, you've got to pair it with something that entices those who have already pledged to put more $$$ in, otherwise you won't reach your fancy new goal.
Miguelsan wrote: ... or H.B.M.C., a Blood Asp is a great thing to have around...
Wouldn't know. Despite all my efforts I still don't have one.
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Flinty wrote: Drop ships seem to be something that is getting sorted out in the background, but seem unlikely to hit in time for this Kickstarter.
I’m just back in the comments trying to calm the frothing loonies from being judgemental about people who dare to have a dissenting voice…
Every time I bring up the VAT issue people start shouting that it’s the government’s fault and CGL can’t do anything about that… except like not charging as much or something…
I think it mostly come from US backers that won't have to pay taxes, or at least not a 20%+.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
Flinty wrote: Drop ships seem to be something that is getting sorted out in the background, but seem unlikely to hit in time for this Kickstarter.
I’m just back in the comments trying to calm the frothing loonies from being judgemental about people who dare to have a dissenting voice…
Every time I bring up the VAT issue people start shouting that it’s the government’s fault and CGL can’t do anything about that… except like not charging as much or something…
I think it mostly come from US backers that won't have to pay taxes, or at least not a 20%+.
M.
The US does pay state sales taxes, up to 7.25% depending on the state and with the possibility of additional local sales taxes.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Ghaz wrote: The US does pay state sales taxes, up to 7.25% depending on the state and with the possibility of additional local sales taxes.
Oh, I'd love to pay only 7.25%! I'm in Los Angeles County, and after State, County and City, sales tax is 10.25%. I don't even remember when we last had 7.25%.
As for Pledge value, can't people see that value added is only meaningful if you would buy said items normally. As I've posted before, I dislike swag, and I have unread BT novels on my Kindle already. I'll concede that at some point I will read them, and may want more, but right now, no. Since 2nd ed. did not have minis, and the cardboard standees were horrible, even by 80's standards, it's the minis that I value. CGL saying a given pledge is a $400 retail value is just marketing puffery if you only are going to use $100 of it. So at least right now I've no incentive to up my pledge, and I will wait for retail for the Forcepacks.
TalonZahn wrote: But DUUUUUDE, those Digital Graphic Novels are valued at $20 each!
Much Value.
Yes, all of the non-mini items in the pledges have value, especially the fiction and game content. I realize you've made your whole identity for the past month whinging about this KS, but it's really not helpful.
Prometheum5 wrote: Yes, all of the non-mini items in the pledges have value, especially the fiction and game content. I realize you've made your whole identity for the past month whinging about this KS, but it's really not helpful.
He's not wrong though.
"Here's a free poster, and give us some more money and we'll make it double-sided!" doesn't engender much good will, and it certainly doesn't provide reason nor opportunity to add further funds for the chance at more rewards that aren't held with much value.
Flinty wrote: Drop ships seem to be something that is getting sorted out in the background, but seem unlikely to hit in time for this Kickstarter.
I’m just back in the comments trying to calm the frothing loonies from being judgemental about people who dare to have a dissenting voice…
Every time I bring up the VAT issue people start shouting that it’s the government’s fault and CGL can’t do anything about that… except like not charging as much or something…
I'm not sure why would it matter that it's the government's fault instead of CGL's when the end result is exactly the same, though...
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Miguelsan wrote: I think it mostly come from US backers that won't have to pay taxes, or at least not a 20%+.M.
Ah, the infamous "got mine, don't care" situation, then? Makes kind of sense I guess. Or it might be a "true believers" situation, too, where fans feel like "attacks" to a company are attacks to themselves/their self worht/their decisions, instead of rightful critiques.
TalonZahn wrote: But DUUUUUDE, those Digital Graphic Novels are valued at $20 each!
Much Value.
Yes, all of the non-mini items in the pledges have value, especially the fiction and game content. I realize you've made your whole identity for the past month whinging about this KS, but it's really not helpful.
Would it be more helpful to just shut it and suck it up, buttercup? I mean, when, exactly, do you think it would be a good time to talk about issues with the Kickstarter rather than when it is running?
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TalonZahn wrote: But DUUUUUDE, those Digital Graphic Novels are valued at $20 each!
Much Value.
Yes, all of the non-mini items in the pledges have value, especially the fiction and game content. I realize you've made your whole identity for the past month whinging about this KS, but it's really not helpful.
Here are some other things that would have value: Gucci purses, sandalwood planks, Montecristos, cast iron pans, and Japanese Kit-Kats.
Call me crazy, but I spent months being excited for this Kickstarter because I thought it was going to be about miniatures, and the two Battletech game systems I already play.
I read adult books, wear adult clothes, and have adult decorations, so no amount of back catalogue and shabby trinkets were ever going to be an enticement.
Next up, please explain who or what entity our posts in this thread are meant to be "helpful" to, and why they should be helpful? I personally don't mind seeing people gripe about the continually-disappointing announcements, because it reminds me that I'm not alone in my disappointment for this fundraising campaign that I spent so long looking forward to. I'm still on the fence, vacillating between FOMO and knowing it's still a pretty dull deal to partake of, and if somebody's complaining ends up encouraging me to save money I probably won't resent them for it lol
I will add that there is a difference between reasonable criticism: "if we add shipping, and VAT the KS is not such a good deal for non-US supporters compared to the Clan KS" to whining: "I didn't get moar miniatures."
I've been seeing more of the former than of the later.
Also Ghaz corrected me above, and said that sales tax will be added within the US. Point taken I thought interstate online sales where tax free still.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
Miguelsan wrote: I will add that there is a difference between reasonable criticism: "if we add shipping, and VAT the KS is not such a good deal for non-US supporters compared to the Clan KS" to whining: "I didn't get moar miniatures."
I've been seeing more of the former than of the later.
That's a distinction without a difference. The solution to both complaints is identical, and both the "criticizers" and the "whiners" are hoping for the same thing, which is clear value for the money they invest.
Miguelsan wrote: I will add that there is a difference between reasonable criticism: "if we add shipping, and VAT the KS is not such a good deal for non-US supporters compared to the Clan KS" to whining: "I didn't get moar miniatures."
I've been seeing more of the former than of the later.
That's a distinction without a difference. The solution to both complaints is identical, and both the "criticizers" and the "whiners" are hoping for the same thing, which is clear value for the money they invest.
Actually the solution to both can be different. The former group could be resolved by the company eating part or all of the shipping costs without increasing the amount of models on offer. They could also lower shipping costs by finding a more affordable provider/partner/system. The latter group would be appeased only by increasing the number of models included.
Whilst both are after more value for money, the reasoning and motivation behind them means that there are differences in how the company could respond to resolve the issue for both.
You might also find that the former groups are more likely to cancel or not back because of that barrier, whilst more in the latter group might complain just as loudly, but will still actually back at the current state anyway. Therefore there could be more to gain in resolving issues for the former group over resolving issues for the latter group.
Actually the solution to both can be different. The former group could be resolved by the company eating part or all of the shipping costs without increasing the amount of models on offer. They could also lower shipping costs by finding a more affordable provider/partner/system. The latter group would be appeased only by increasing the number of models included.
Why would they do that? Eating inflexible costs that they're paying to a 3rd party would be more expensive than eating part of their own margin.
There's no magic courier that ships stuff for 50% of what competitors charge.
And both of those "solutions", especially the first one, would risk incensing some number of US backers who would also feel entitled to Catalyst-subsidized shipping.
Overread wrote: You might also find that the former groups are more likely to cancel or not back because of that barrier, whilst more in the latter group might complain just as loudly, but will still actually back at the current state anyway. Therefore there could be more to gain in resolving issues for the former group over resolving issues for the latter group.
I notice you had to preface those sentences with "might" (because they're weird, unsupported hypotheticals that don't hold up to logic).
In fact, I'd suggest the inverse of what you claim actually makes more sense. Many of the potential backers dealing with overseas shipping+VAT live in markets that aren't thoroughly serviced by Catalyst. One of the upsides for those backers is getting these new products hassle-free, without having to source local vendors who might deal with limited/finite inventory and probably don't slash MSRP (and ordering direct from Catalyst is a non-starter, since the default S+H in their store is insane). Meanwhile, US-based backers will eventually be able to order from domestic webstores with deep inventory who offer free shipping and a discount on MSRP. US-based backers know they'll have the sweetest deal through regular channels however long they wait, whereas many ROW backers have to consider this a one-time opportunity.
I'm evaluating this on what its offering and how much they're asking, and whether I really want or need these particular minis. That's it. I don't expect Catalyst to throw more plastic at me just because I backed, or because I feel its 'bad value'.
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"There is rational thought here. It's just swimming through a sea of stupid and is often concealed from view by the waves of irrational conclusions." - Railguns
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petrov27 wrote: Is there any good breakdown for the value of the Kickstarter out there by pledge level depending on the funding end level? Like something that would show how much we would be paying per mini? I know there were spreadsheets out there but having trouble finding...
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