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You know the Old World preview is just going to be another map

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

It's probably because TOW and HH both fall under the domain of Forgeworld at least partially.

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

Probably because both HH and OW are under the specialist games division.

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

I would have thought the latter, especially given the focus will be 40k 10th for a few months. I'm a bit surprised they're announcing other games stuff at all.

 Overread wrote:

GW prices would actually be cheaper than ebay prices for them!

It's sad because it's true.


As for the Old World preview on Warhammer Fest...I'm honestly not expecting much. I doubt it will be released this year and thus means it would be too soon for GW to make a "big reveal".

But if we can have more details about the rules they do intend to use, it'll always be nice.

I would not expect much. Warhammer Fest will be dominated by the 40K new edition elements. That's the next big release this summer and will dominate major news and reveal events for a while

So yeah pair HH and Old World up because OW is likely only getting a smaller bit of news again. They aren't speeding up for a big release.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm glad for everybody getting to use their old models! But I feel like I can't be the only person excited because they are going to keep the same scale on future ones!

(I'm not always a fan of heroic proportions, but given that the problem areas are often things like hand size and torso length, and those are easy to fit with spare bits from victrix/WGA/and others, a little bit of hobbying for the torsos, I'm pretty happy.

And of course INTENSELY curious about what it will mead for lizardmen models.

It feels like we should have the quote from the article here for posterity:

GW wrote:Q: Are the models getting bigger?

A: No, the new models will be in the same scale as the returning range from Warhammer Fantasy Battle. The base size change has come about because some of those ‘90s and ‘00s models became difficult to rank up, and we’re taking the opportunity to fix the problem. It will mean that newer models joining the range can be more dynamically posed, but proportions remain the same.

Because with regard to this I don't trust GW at all. Same scale, same proportions is a high bar.

It also involves making new Tomb Kings models deliberately sucky, which I can just about believe but definitely don't want to see.

just a reminder, GW says that AoS and 40k is still 28mm scale, so none of those models got officially bigger

Same scale, same proportions? See the new Tyranid Termigants for how it can be done.

I'm honestly not too worried about the scale and proportions, as long as miniatures are designed for the new bases to fit in regiments. That's all that really matters in a regimental game.

Stop with the off topic digs of other companies.

Oh, you thought that The Horus Heresy: World of Tanks was bad...

Depends, in V8 heavy cavalry wasn't as powerful and auto-include as in older versions. But I'm indeed curious if they will keep the fight on two ranks as standard or they will go back to V6-V7 style.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Same scale, same proportions? See the new Tyranid Termigants for how it can be done.

A generally slimmer, taller gaunt with a smaller head maintains the same proportions as the old chubby gaunt? Yes, that's the kind of definition of "same" I expect the GW marketing team to use.

Termagant picture in spoilers for reference:



Make no mistake, that is exactly the kind of "same" I want to see and that will get me to spend money. But come on. If you're actually into the old style of models from twenty years ago, there's a really good chance you're getting your hopes up over nothing. You just can't trust the marketing monkeys on this one.

Nvm.

 Overread wrote:
I would not expect much. Warhammer Fest will be dominated by the 40K new edition elements. That's the next big release this summer and will dominate major news and reveal events for a while

So yeah pair HH and Old World up because OW is likely only getting a smaller bit of news again. They aren't speeding up for a big release.

I feel there is a chance they feel obligated to make a 2023 release for Old World because of the 40th anniversary thing. I think we might get a late 2023 release date with starter sets that will sell out immediately and some more releases in 2024.

If they do a 2023 release then it 100% would be late year. Mid year is 40K dominated and GW are not crazy enough to try launching two mainline games at the same time. That said a main line edition is the kind of thing that dominates a good 1/4 to 1/2 of the year after the edition lands.

I'd expect trickle Tyranid and Marine models for at least 1/4 after the big release in the Summer; followed up with more in the 4th quarter as we enter the last part of the year. So anything Old World would have to be the latter part of the year.



Maybe they'll use the 40 years to announce it in full and then make it the 41st year the big year of release itself

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Same scale, same proportions? See the new Tyranid Termigants for how it can be done.

Or even the transition from the monkey-sculpt skaven to Isle of Blood-era skaven. Poor night runners still haven't made that jump.

There's a lot of range for improvement hiding inside 'not changing the scale'

 The Phazer wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

I would have thought the latter, especially given the focus will be 40k 10th for a few months. I'm a bit surprised they're announcing other games stuff at all.

Eh fest is therr big event of a year, chance for them to wow and show things up and it's back after covid induced scaledowns.

This is the event for big reveals. If not here then never.

So yeah i wasn't surprised to see multiple games. Just remains to be seen what but about half an hour means some decent previews.

Now I seriously wonder if this means that some AoS new kits will be retroactively compative with TOW. Yes, mainly the newest Lizardmen and Chaos Warriors.

INB4 calling me out for being high on dreamium despite asking out of genuine curiosity.

I also wonder if they showing TOW at Fest will mean that they will have demo booths available. The layout seems to look like there will be enough space:

streetsamurai 807983 11519291 wrote:

It does make sense if you actually read what i posted. I dont expect them to release all 12 armies (if not more) day one. But them releasing old kits alongside new ones (they showed renders of new brettonians) pretty muc proves that at least some armies will be a mishmash of decades old kits and new kits (and GW being GW, i shudder just thinking at the price theyll put on these old garbage) . As i said, if its acceptable to some people, cool for them, but that doesn't interest me, especially since theres a few alternative games that have full armies that are all pretty new.

Because GW is a company? Why do think they keep releasing factions with a dropper approach instead of lauching full refreshes and ranges all at once? Obviously they can, but they don't want to.

GW is not your friend, kind reminder.

tneva82 wrote:
dwarves etc

kenofyork wrote:
and dwarves

Ignispacium wrote:
Chaos Dwarves

*Dwarfs. This is going straight to The Book of Grudges.

Little off track, but still staying on the topic of TOW, someone on the internet was smart and has funded the possible new Tomb King Liche priest tabletop model concept in Warhammer: Chaosbanes Tomb King Dlc



For more detailed pictures here is a link:

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/A9mXJq

The staff of the Liche priest is really familiar to the one that is featured in last months Weapons of War article ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/old-world-development-diary-revealing-the-weapons-of-war/ )

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

Old world is to aos, what 30k is to 40k. A historical game set in the flagship games past. It's also going to be A specialist game, and probably supported very similar to how 30k is.

 jaredb wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
So the Old World preview is being paired with HH and doesn't have it's own one like Sigmar or 40k....Is that to reinforce that Sigmar and OW can coexist like 40k and HH or is it because they aren't previewing a lot I wonder?

Old world is to aos, what 30k is to 40k. A historical game set in the flagship games past. It's also going to be A specialist game, and probably supported very similar to how 30k is.

I doubt that.

Old World is confirmed to be drawing on existing kits, as well as receiving new ones.

That’s far, far more toys and goodies available for release straight out of the gate.

Sure but in terms of new kits and books, it'll be similar to HH.

 Gert wrote:
Sure but in terms of new kits and books, it'll be similar to HH.

Money talks. I wouldnt be suprised, if TOW would be good source of income for GW, that they pull a Blood Bowl style make over, when they wanted to make everything in resin expect the Starter set, and then they ported all the teams to plastic on the succes of it. Altought I dont know how succesfull is Horus Heresy 2.0, but it I now that it is mostly about marines get the plastic treatment, so you got limitation there but TOW is about tottaly differrent factions, that will recieve either old either new plastic models. I am monitoring a few different forums, some that are WHFB, some that are AoS exclusive and they most of the post welcome the Old World and even the old minis. So possibility for GW to make money on this is there. And we know where the money is there is the support.

I can only talk about myself and I know that I going to buy a lot of Knight of the Realm, Men-at-Arms, Peasant Bowmen, Pegasus Knight boxes and even Questing and Grail Knights ( if they are the old models, I cant talk about new one, because I havent seen them ) and this is just Bretonnia. If they re-release the old plastic Tomb Guard, Necrosphinx, Necropolis Knights, Empire Free Company Militia, Dwarf Miners, the last Dwarf Warrior and Thunderer kit then I am going to go need another mortage.

Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

Was this figure always the case during Epics life cycle?

In this neither does AoS or Horus Heresy has fix place in the shelves. 40k is different beast.

 herjan1987 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

Was this figure always the case during Epics life cycle?

In this neither does AoS or Horus Heresy has fix place in the shelves. 40k is different beast.

That was during the era when 'Specialist Games' were banished to their own outlet, including their own magazine(s) and website, with 'mainstream' GW less and less acknowledging that they even existed. I'd wager that the 400% figure comes more from the expectations being extremely low rather than from a success that could be called amazing in absolute numbers.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

Was this figure always the case during Epics life cycle?

In this neither does AoS or Horus Heresy has fix place in the shelves. 40k is different beast.

That was during the era when 'Specialist Games' were banished to their own outlet, including their own magazine(s) and website, with 'mainstream' GW less and less acknowledging that they even existed. I'd wager that the 400% figure comes more from the expectations being extremely low rather than from a success that could be called amazing in absolute numbers.

I relatively new commer here( since 2016-2017 ) , that why I am asking, but I did little search and this was in 2013 during the Kirby era. I read more then fare share about that Kirby wasnt the guy, who was maintaining the company as well as he should have (putting half amount of models for double the price is always brought up here ). So I am just making assumptions, what the new ways of Games Workshop is showing to me.