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assuming they don't find some last second issue with the rulebook printing of course

like horrors above it doesn't contain enough typos

I guess never say never, but I think if TOW were coming out in the next few weeks, it would have been announced by now. There isn't obvious room in the schedule.

I guess some sort of TK/Bret Christmas Box isn't completely impossible to imagine - but it seems like a weird way to launch a new game, and potentially messes with your logistics for the regular Christmas discount boxes. You have a clear product to shift in that period - why not push TOW/TK/Brets to a quiet February/March or something, where the marketing team can give it a decent run up?

It might not create the hype GW wants if they release army boxes without a game
Yet for what we have seen all the years for TOW it might be exactly what they are going to do

Tyel wrote:
I guess never say never, but I think if TOW were coming out in the next few weeks, it would have been announced by now. There isn't obvious room in the schedule.

I guess some sort of TK/Bret Christmas Box isn't completely impossible to imagine - but it seems like a weird way to launch a new game, and potentially messes with your logistics for the regular Christmas discount boxes. You have a clear product to shift in that period - why not push TOW/TK/Brets to a quiet February/March or something, where the marketing team can give it a decent run up?

Last check in the rumour was a late in the year release of the 2 bundle boxes, core rules and a smattering of re-release kits as a "get you by" with the rest of it rolled out in the new year.

They've done similar with armies before where you get an armybox November and a release Feb.

Tyel wrote:
I guess never say never, but I think if TOW were coming out in the next few weeks, it would have been announced by now. There isn't obvious room in the schedule.

I guess some sort of TK/Bret Christmas Box isn't completely impossible to imagine - but it seems like a weird way to launch a new game, and potentially messes with your logistics for the regular Christmas discount boxes. You have a clear product to shift in that period - why not push TOW/TK/Brets to a quiet February/March or something, where the marketing team can give it a decent run up?

Agreed. Especially about the lack of announcement. Legions Imperialis was announced July 1st for release at the end of August, so you're looking at a probably ~2 month lead time on the announcement. Unless they announceit within the next 3 weeks or so its probably not coming this year. More likely, I think the "40 years of warhammer" thing leads up to a big preview showingoff whatever they got with the announcement its coming next year, rather than an actual release this year. Its definitely not releasing when the 40 year countdown hits 40 - thats 4 weeks away (including this week), very much doubt GW is going to give such little attention to it - that is an insufficient preview window with which to announce something that supposedly includes a launch box - those larger price points usually carry the aforementioned 2-3 month window.

 kodos wrote:
It might not create the hype GW wants if they release army boxes without a game
Yet for what we have seen all the years for TOW it might be exactly what they are going to do

I agree that a game to go with the box would increase hype. But check the prices for some of those OoP bretonnia models or the insane prices of some of those tomb king constructs.

I am fairly confident that GW would sell out of the box regardless.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I guess never say never, but I think if TOW were coming out in the next few weeks, it would have been announced by now. There isn't obvious room in the schedule.

I guess some sort of TK/Bret Christmas Box isn't completely impossible to imagine - but it seems like a weird way to launch a new game, and potentially messes with your logistics for the regular Christmas discount boxes. You have a clear product to shift in that period - why not push TOW/TK/Brets to a quiet February/March or something, where the marketing team can give it a decent run up?

Agreed. Especially about the lack of announcement. Legions Imperialis was announced July 1st for release at the end of August, so you're looking at a probably ~2 month lead time on the announcement. Unless they announceit within the next 3 weeks or so its probably not coming this year. More likely, I think the "40 years of warhammer" thing leads up to a big preview showingoff whatever they got with the announcement its coming next year, rather than an actual release this year. Its definitely not releasing when the 40 year countdown hits 40 - thats 4 weeks away (including this week), very much doubt GW is going to give such little attention to it - that is an insufficient preview window with which to announce something that supposedly includes a launch box - those larger price points usually carry the aforementioned 2-3 month window.

Not saying a release this year is likely, but
TOW was announced 4(?) years ago. So why would it need a multi month preview window? In particular, since the game/release is of limited scope, which currently is the most likely scenario.
Also, the stuff of the last preview will probably be released by the end October.
If, mid October, the 40 year articles end with a preview of the releases for TOW, there would be multiple weeks for in depth previews before the game launches in November.
What does the current schedule till the end of the year look like?

Grail Seeker wrote:

I agree that a game to go with the box would increase hype. But check the prices for some of those OoP bretonnia models or the insane prices of some of those tomb king constructs.

I am fairly confident that GW would sell out of the box regardless.

yeah, if they are cheaper than ebay and if those models return

If it is "just" a special army box like they do now with 1 of each for 150€, not sure if these sell well

And there are those people who are hyped by TOW because of the possibility that the good old times return with everyone playing the same rules/edition/game and big fantasy tournaments each weekend

And those won't like models without rules

Seelenhaendler wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I guess never say never, but I think if TOW were coming out in the next few weeks, it would have been announced by now. There isn't obvious room in the schedule.

I guess some sort of TK/Bret Christmas Box isn't completely impossible to imagine - but it seems like a weird way to launch a new game, and potentially messes with your logistics for the regular Christmas discount boxes. You have a clear product to shift in that period - why not push TOW/TK/Brets to a quiet February/March or something, where the marketing team can give it a decent run up?

Agreed. Especially about the lack of announcement. Legions Imperialis was announced July 1st for release at the end of August, so you're looking at a probably ~2 month lead time on the announcement. Unless they announceit within the next 3 weeks or so its probably not coming this year. More likely, I think the "40 years of warhammer" thing leads up to a big preview showingoff whatever they got with the announcement its coming next year, rather than an actual release this year. Its definitely not releasing when the 40 year countdown hits 40 - thats 4 weeks away (including this week), very much doubt GW is going to give such little attention to it - that is an insufficient preview window with which to announce something that supposedly includes a launch box - those larger price points usually carry the aforementioned 2-3 month window.

Not saying a release this year is likely, but
TOW was announced 4(?) years ago. So why would it need a multi month preview window? In particular, since the game/release is of limited scope, which currently is the most likely scenario.
Also, the stuff of the last preview will probably be released by the end October.
If, mid October, the 40 year articles end with a preview of the releases for TOW, there would be multiple weeks for in depth previews before the game launches in November.
What does the current schedule till the end of the year look like?

Thing is that GW traditionally doesn't release much in december outside of the holiday boxes, and usually the big release in november is something smaller like a faction launch box (Cadia Stands, Sisters of Battle) or Warcry Red Harvest or the 2nd edition BloodBowl launch box. In fact, the release schedule for November is usually a little bit lighter, comparatively speaking, than other months - probably because GW is aware that people are holding cash in anticipation of holiday battleforces instead of spending freely and they don't want to cannibalize their own sales.

Launching a whole new army scale game ala 40k, AoS, or HH in November would be a huge departure from their established business practices (which usually limit those types of releases to the summer). Coming hot on the heels of a similar game ala Legions Imperialis and right before Holiday Battleforces would be unheard of - GW manages its release schedule in such a way as to prevent major releases like box sets and such from clustering too tightly and losing out on sales because people blow their budget on other items, they are marshaling their release schedule to try to extract every last penny possible out of the community. I just don't see them launching Legions Imperialis, The Old World, and the Holiday boxes back to back to back in such a manner.

Even if you don't consider that it would overload GW's already overloaded production (Wayland didn't get their Tyranid shipment this week); having that many BIG things all in a row would drain the pockets of customers. Customers have finite cash and if they load too much too often the result is some of those are going to sell poorly not because of anything wrong with the product; but simply because everyone has their wallets burned out. Esp before christmas when everyone will be waiting for the Christmas bundles.

Pretty much my point, yeah.

New Valrak rumours

Summary:
Release Q1 2024


Boxset contents:
Each box get their own core rulesets (probably means core rulebook in both boxes?)

Bretonnia: 70+ models

Big chunk of Men-at-Arms (two units?)
Big chunk of Archers
Two lances of Knights
Unit of three Pegasus knights
Lord on Pegasus

Only the Lord on Pegasus will be new, everything else is old fantasy models

Tomb Kings: 90+ models

Skeletons
Archers
Knights (Necropolis Knights?)
Chariots
Lich riding a Dragon

again only the Lich will be new

Considering there's never been a tomb king riding a dragon (at least to my memory), then that's immediately wrong.

It says the Lich will be new, no?

Dragon can mean anything here, as we got the snake riders in 8th a hero on snake is a possibility

yet one thing, if it says all models but the heroes are old, "big chunk of models" means not much in that context as compared to the new 5 model cavalry and 10 model infantry boxes, the old 8/16/20 model boxes are a lot
so 2 old boxes of infantry makes 40 models which is a "chunk" compared to the lates 10 model boxes but still just 1-2 units

expecting 2 units of 6 knights, 2 units of 16 Man-at-Arms, 1 unit of 16-24 Archers

similar for Khemri, 3 units of 24 Infantry, 2 units of 8 cavalry, 1 unit of 3 chariots + Lich = 92 models

In that case it would still be wrong as there's already been a new tomb king shown

and they are resin, making it unlikely to end up a box set while we have seen the single pegasus sprue, so having a new plastic hero riding something bigger than a horse to go with the old models makes sense

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
In that case it would still be wrong as there's already been a new tomb king shown

Which is going to be resin so likely not in those starter boxes.

I'm not saying that rumour is correct but they could absolutely make a new Lich on a Bone-Dragon (or 'Dragon' may be a bit of a misnomer and it's some other similar flying dead gribbly as a mount).

Warmaster had a lich priest or tomb king riding a zombie dragon.
Not sure because my old 4th edition undead book is in store, but there the tomb kings might also have had this option of zombie dragon.

Sounds interesting. I wonder what will be the price for the box.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Sounds interesting. I wonder what will be the price for the box.

my guess ~150-200€

Old skeletons and men-at-arms is brutal. Those models were dated when they were new.....

 Astmeister wrote:
Warmaster had a lich priest or tomb king riding a zombie dragon.
Not sure because my old 4th edition undead book is in store, but there the tomb kings might also have had this option of zombie dragon.

Believe it was just 'Undead Hero' on Zombie Dragon, although it was initially alongside the Tomb Kings stuff. Don't think WH:Fantasy Tomb Kings ever got Zombie Dragons as an option after the split from Vampire Counts but there's probably no 'lore' reason they couldn't have one; they've as much geographical access to the Plain of Bones as the Vampire Factions (if not more) and it's not like that's the only way to get one.


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caladancid wrote:
Old skeletons and men-at-arms is brutal. Those models were dated when they were new.....

I can't actually believe they'll attempt to re-release those old skeletons. The Men at Arms/Bowmen from 6th, sure. They are, (for some reason) fairly well regarded it seems.

caladancid wrote:
Old skeletons and men-at-arms is brutal. Those models were dated when they were new.....

Agree on the skeletons, but not on the men-at-arms. Those were pretty cool and also good for 40k conversions.

Is it possible that the TP will be riding a Warsphinx or the like, and that the rumor monger simply mistook the picture?

The 6th, 7th and 8th Tomb Kings did not have any dragons. I am pretty sure because, I played all of them.
4th Edition indeed is mixed TK/Vamps and did include it.

Just Tony wrote:Is it possible that the TP will be riding a Warsphinx or the like, and that the rumor monger simply mistook the picture?

Honestly, I hope not, because that's already an "existing" kit, it's an option for the Warsphinx we had. I'd prefer a new kit in each box.

Astmeister wrote:Warmaster had a lich priest or tomb king riding a zombie dragon.
Not sure because my old 4th edition undead book is in store, but there the tomb kings might also have had this option of zombie dragon.

Both Mummy characters and Liches had the option for Monster mounts including the Zombie Dragon.

There you go. Thanks.

Lich?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Lich?

Khemrian magic users are Liches, but not the D&D "we stuffed our souls into a device named after a Jewish holy item" style of Liche.