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I'm afraid to see an O&G box... Regiments looks so sexy.

So they kept the Good VS Evil theme and just removed it from the preview article because caused some unrest

Also, why "Forces of Fantasy"?

Ok, so you need three books if you want to play everything to its fullest. Not hugely surprising.

The emissary would look much better without the tactical boulder, but again kind of expected these days. Don't like the banner carrier, but the banner itself is sexy. And the swarms look very good once you can actually focus on them. Actually the more I look at the swarms, the more I don't like them. Too much skeleton junk on them. Cut that down by two thirds and leave the beetles.

Bret box looks better than the kings, but it's still going to look so uncanny using the new lord against the ancient kits.

I will not start a new army
I will not start a new army
I will not start a new army
I will not start a new army
I will not start a new army


Someone help me maintain my composure and dedication to my current armies!

 kodos wrote:
So they kept the Good VS Evil theme and just removed it from the preview article because caused some unrest

Also, why "Forces of Fantasy"?

Classichammer reference:

Well that army book system is obnoxious. They literally went for the worst of all worlds there.

Tomb Swarms are nice.

The army book system is what I expected - big core book to get everyone going and then supplements/battletomes as they get each army out.

It's exciting to finally see the release!

Bretonnia box is a little light on knights perhaps? I feel it should be cheaper than the Tomb Kings box, based on contents.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well that army book system is obnoxious. They literally went for the worst of all worlds there.

They could have made the faction books hardback and jacked their price up more. Things can always be worse.

They should have just gone paperback army book and be done with it. There was no need to add a third thing you need to lug around.

So to get access to the full game with the core factions, I need the Forces of Index Book for the core stuff and the Arcane Journal for the Armies of Infamy
and the core faction won't be available as pdf but as e-book

let me guess the Index will be 50-70€ and the Army Book 20-30€, adding in the rulebook at 50-70€ and we have a 2000 points Army worth of money from other game in books alone

I wonder if people are going to start carrying around a side table just so they have room to have all the books open?

Never in my time as a wargamer have I been the sort to slavishly throw a pile of money at every item during a big launch, especially optional books that will be quickly outdated.... So there's a first time for everything I guess!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder if people are going to start carrying around a side table just so they have room to have all the books open?

I do wonder how much you're going to need to use one of the faction books during a game - army construction rules are a pre-game element, and using index cards to write out any items or rules you're using from them seem simple enough.

Have the book with you just in case, sure, but I doubt it'll be needed on the table.

Bretonnia box is a little light on knights perhaps? I feel it should be cheaper than the Tomb Kings box, based on contents.

You forget how over-costed Peg Knights and Lord will be.

Nekaph looks great.

Looks delicious to me. I'm horrifyingly tempted to get some Bretonnians.

Justyn wrote:

Bretonnia box is a little light on knights perhaps? I feel it should be cheaper than the Tomb Kings box, based on contents.

You forget how over-costed Peg Knights and Lord will be.

You're probably right. Same price seems logical. But there are more models in the Khemri box and the dragon look a lot bigger than the pegasus-lord. Points-wise they probably match though.

Looks delicious to me. I'm horrifyingly tempted to get some Bretonnians.

I was going to. However, I own a ton of Bretonnians and it only comes with one new miniature, no army book. Not to mention Army book +1.

Three books on release for a single faction. Damn GW.

What’s with all the tomb king flails? Were they ever a thing? We just got three models with them and I can’t recall a single model having one before

Don't have the money or time but still tempted. Started out with fantasy about 30 years ago, so nostalgia is big here. Also, those Bretonnians looks very pretty in that colour scheme.

Could save myself a ton of cash and hassle by using Oathmark and historicals instead, plus an established set of rules which is probably much better balanced and just need a single rulebook, but I will not deny there is an emotional pull with this. Probably just a pipe dream on my part.

Anyway, I would be interested to hear from all those posters who claimed the new Old World would just be dead in the water/on life support/only doing enough to protect IP/general doom-mongering.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They should have just gone paperback army book and be done with it. There was no need to add a third thing you need to lug around.

Its should all be an app as standard. Like every other games company. Relying on physical books in this day and age of living rule sets, rapid updates and regular balances/erratas is just stupid.

True enough. Feels like a case of squeeze the nostalgia until it's as dry as a tomb king. And it'll work unfortunately.

It's stunning to me that the rulebook is 352 pages and still doesn't have all the rules in it. I'll stick to Kings of War thanks

Tomb Swarms are interesting. I wonder if they have rules in Quest...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They literally went for the worst of all worlds there.

Imagine if there were four sub-factions: Forces of Order, Death, Destruction and Chaos.

This isn't the worst of all worlds.

Its should all be an app as standard. Like every other games company. Relying on physical books in this day and age of living rule sets, rapid updates and regular balances/erratas is just stupid.

I'm sure their reasoning is they will make more money selling the books than with an app.

Honestly though, an app that cost $5 a month or so, and didn't require purchase of physical books to use, would actually get money from me. Currently I don't buy their books. Not since ..... 6th or 7th when I got my 3 Space Wolf codexs and a couple months later they were all useless. Sorry GW, your books cost too much, and are out of date immediately, to be worth purchasing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tomb Swarms are interesting. I wonder if they have rules in Quest...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They literally went for the worst of all worlds there.

Imagine if there were four sub-factions: Forces of Order, Death, Destruction and Chaos.

This isn't the worst of all worlds.

That'll be how it works in Old World 2nd edition in 2026.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tomb Swarms are interesting. I wonder if they have rules in Quest...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They literally went for the worst of all worlds there.

Imagine if there were four sub-factions: Forces of Order, Death, Destruction and Chaos.

This isn't the worst of all worlds.

I'll take one rulebook, one tome and all rules online over this thanks.

I doubt (hope?) The Old World won't see as many rule updates as the others..

 Olthannon wrote:
I doubt (hope?) The Old World won't see as many rule updates as the others..

Oh my sweet summer child.