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I think there might be some units that are gw store only like made to order, but that is just a guess

 Prometheum5 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

I don't think we've seen anything yet to indicate this will be the case.

We don't need to. GW has said enough about their business being about plastic. It's a question of when, not if. Only way I doesn't happen is if TOW doesn't sell and fails to meet projections.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

I don't think we've seen anything yet to indicate this will be the case.

We don't need to. GW has said enough about their business being about plastic. It's a question of when, not if. Only way I doesn't happen is if TOW doesn't sell and fails to meet projections.

When could be a decade though, since they have a large number of factions to support on a specialist game release schedule.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I like Fabelzel's Chorfs, so much so that one is my avatar at current.

Looked those up- they are adorable with a good touch of the sculptor’s personality in them.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

I don't think we've seen anything yet to indicate this will be the case.

We don't need to. GW has said enough about their business being about plastic. It's a question of when, not if. Only way I doesn't happen is if TOW doesn't sell and fails to meet projections.

Only if TOW is a big enough success and there's a hell of a lot of metal models they'd have to resculpt.

There is precedent mind - Blood Bowl was supposed to be only 4 plastic teams and the rest in resin but sold so well that they pivoted to producing all the teams in plastic and here we are 20 odd teams later.

$20 for a single Grail Knight?

Yeah, that’s not going to happen. They’re out of their damn minds charging that.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
$20 for a single Grail Knight?

Yeah, that’s not going to happen. They’re out of their damn minds charging that.

glad I still have mine here, nice models but no way worth that when you can essentially just paint the plastic ones a bit differently and call it a day

I’m going to be 3d printing those. I’m dumbfounded that they went and repeated the mistake that hurt Bretonnia’s sales the last couple of editions. They were selling boxes of 5 Grail Knights and 5 Questing Knights at $99 each. Keeping that price point is insane.

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
I’m going to be 3d printing those. I’m dumbfounded that they went and repeated the mistake that hurt Bretonnia’s sales the last couple of editions. They were selling boxes of 5 Grail Knights and 5 Questing Knights at $99 each. Keeping that price point is insane.

I still hope this leaked mailorder price list is a fake. The retailer prices come from GW's official retailer site and are legit, but no one knows where this mailorder list is coming from. The prices seem way higher than just adjusting for inflation. X for Doubt.

I'll say the big boxset costs seem reasonable. Honestly they are the same pricing or less than 2015 for similar loads of models.

For example the TK are essentially 7.5 old regiment plastic boxes plus a centerpiece and rulebook. Old numbers that $245+ (assuming $35 per regiment box which might have been higher when the game died) for the regiments, $75 for the rulebook, and even by old standards probably a $60 centerpiece. So $380 in OLD prices.

The KotR on Foot back when Fantasy died would have been $50 per 10. Which they obviously aren't now. I don't remember what the Tombguard were going for for 10 before end times but it was betwen $0-$50. So same cost or less.

Yes they are older sculpts. But for all of you complaining they should be discounting older sculpts they actually are.......FOR THE PLASTICS.

Cause f-me on the metals. I expected $15 per model on the knights and $20 for the Ushabti types. I haven't kept up with metal pricing on models but lord there went my dreams of 2 units of 6 ushabti cause I'm not paying $340 for 12 models.

Regardless I do think some of you are living in a fantasy world as far as what this was and what the state of Fantasy was back when it got canned. The major reason fantasy died wasn't the cost. It was a poor ruleset, combined with bad management, combined with a yearly price increase. All to a system that at least since 6th never sold more combined, until end times, than the Space Marine tactical squad and rhino sets.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'll say the big boxset costs seem reasonable. Honestly they are the same pricing or less than 2015 for similar loads of models.

For example the TK are essentially 7.5 old regiment plastic boxes plus a centerpiece and rulebook. Old numbers that $245+ (assuming $35 per regiment box which might have been higher when the game died) for the regiments, $75 for the rulebook, and even by old standards probably a $60 centerpiece. So $380 in OLD prices.

The KotR on Foot back when Fantasy died would have been $50 per 10. Which they obviously aren't now. I don't remember what the Tombguard were going for for 10 before end times but it was betwen $0-$50. So same cost or less.

Yes they are older sculpts. But for all of you complaining they should be discounting older sculpts they actually are.......FOR THE PLASTICS.

Cause f-me on the metals. I expected $15 per model on the knights and $20 for the Ushabti types. I haven't kept up with metal pricing on models but lord there went my dreams of 2 units of 6 ushabti cause I'm not paying $340 for 12 models.

Regardless I do think some of you are living in a fantasy world as far as what this was and what the state of Fantasy was back when it got canned. The major reason fantasy died wasn't the cost. It was a poor ruleset, combined with bad management, combined with a yearly price increase. All to a system that at least since 6th never sold more combined, until end times, than the Space Marine tactical squad and rhino sets.

In case you reacted to my post: I don't doubt the prices of plastics, army box etc. All these prices are publicly available on GW's retailer homepage (https://trade.games-workshop.com/resources/). I doubt the prices of metals and resin, because these do not get listed on the retailer homepage. Afaik, retailers that want to buy this "GW direct" boxes have to do so through the same webshop as normal customers (they just get a retailer discount on some items). This means there shouldn't be an excel price list like the one we have seen for plastics.

@Nalim

That wasn't at you at all. It was a general reply to a lot of the people claiming the pricing we know is fairly accurate (the plasitc sets) was somehow insanely and unfairly priced.

I'm with you and hopeful this list is weird but I don't have high hopes given the MESBG people have said the pricing is inline with their metals.

Did I miss something or how do you get the rules for the non core armies?

 Rogzor87 wrote:
Did I miss something or how do you get the rules for the non core armies?

Odds are pdf on warhammer-community.com at launch day.

 Nalim wrote:
In case you reacted to my post: I don't doubt the prices of plastics, army box etc. All these prices are publicly available on GW's retailer homepage (https://trade.games-workshop.com/resources/). I doubt the prices of metals and resin, because these do not get listed on the retailer homepage. Afaik, retailers that want to buy this "GW direct" boxes have to do so through the same webshop as normal customers (they just get a retailer discount on some items). This means there shouldn't be an excel price list like the one we have seen for plastics.

The release sheet has (almost) all the releases for whatever time period it covers; trade, direct, Black Library. The only thing that isn't usually included are Forgeworld releases.

tneva82 wrote:

Garrac wrote:
Oh, great, now my skavens will get ignored in TWO game systems instead of 1!!!!! So exciting

They get rules in tow and are getting lots of models in summer. What systems they are being ignored? 40k and hh? Well no kidding

The news: skavens are getting lots of models in summer!!!!

Source: trust me

Oh, and a cheap PDF with short rules and new models on sight, I guess at least it would be free

 Hulksmash wrote:

Cause f-me on the metals. I expected $15 per model on the knights and $20 for the Ushabti types. I haven't kept up with metal pricing on models but lord there went my dreams of 2 units of 6 ushabti cause I'm not paying $340 for 12 models.

The other night I was flicking through old WD and there were sets of 3 ushabti for about 60AUD (of course I bloody well can't find the ad today when I look). (imperfect) inflation calculation has that at about $100 today. Not that it's a very nice price for three mandollies, but it seems they were always expensive? Thank goodness for 3D printing I suppose.

Just because I found the ad whilst looking for that ad, here's the AUD prices of things (plus inflation adjustment)

Again I'm not flogging for GW, this is all rather expensive for moulded plastic, but there it is. Given the new bret set is expected to be $350-$450....

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 Nalim wrote:
In case you reacted to my post: I don't doubt the prices of plastics, army box etc. All these prices are publicly available on GW's retailer homepage (https://trade.games-workshop.com/resources/). I doubt the prices of metals and resin, because these do not get listed on the retailer homepage. Afaik, retailers that want to buy this "GW direct" boxes have to do so through the same webshop as normal customers (they just get a retailer discount on some items). This means there shouldn't be an excel price list like the one we have seen for plastics.

The release sheet has (almost) all the releases for whatever time period it covers; trade, direct, Black Library. The only thing that isn't usually included are Forgeworld releases.

This is the current UK pricelist: https://trade.games-workshop.com/assets/2024/01/Pricelist%20UK.xls

You might notice that it looks exactly like the plastic "leaks". Please show me where the direct prices for the new miniatures are. Additionally, the formatting of the "leaked" price list for metals and resins is wildly different to this one. They don't come from the same source. There is no list like the "leaked" one in the GW retailer portal.

Devil's Advocate but...FW is not a gated off webstore anymore. US retailers might get a different order sheet, the one we'd seen yesterday was from the Rest of World section rather than the US proper.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Devil's Advocate but...FW is not a gated off webstore anymore. US retailers might get a different order sheet, the one we'd seen yesterday was from the Rest of World section rather than the US proper.

You might actually be on to something here. Just checked the US retail site and there is no price list available there. It could well be that the US one is distributed in some other way and looks differently to the ones for other countries. Guess we'll see on Saturday then. Good thing is, if these prices turn out to be correct, stuff won't sell out ^^.

That Excel sheet isn't the release list, that is the (entire) range list for new accounts and restock.

I don't know what eurozone trade accounts get but there is a new release doc that is the new releases for that week. I have seen clips of the trade releases with Euro prices that look similar so maybe that trade department actually sanitizes the list before they release it.

They've killed any personal interest in building my ushabti collection. I may sell the few that I have at that price

It begins ...

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
$20 for a single Grail Knight?

Yeah, that’s not going to happen. They’re out of their damn minds charging that.

That’s a lot more expensive than buying some Blood Angels chalice bits and banner toppers, and slapping them on plastic knights. And that’s more expensive than printing bits and gluing them to Fireforge Albion Knights.

Or just use Conquest household knights. Those dudes are massive and awesome.

I'm really hoping the pricing on the metals is dead wrong, or someone has the wrong currency listed.

If those prices are accurate this re-launch is dead to be and I'm not buying a thing. Why would you ever paying prices like that for models 30+ years old. They don't even hold up to today's minis.

Because metal minis are hella expensive to manufacture at scale and the price of white metal/pewter or whatever they call it has gone through the roof. Just like how blood knights used to be over $100 for 5 minis and are now $60 in plastic. They ain't wrong, that's life. Buy it if you want it, don't if you don't. You can build armies without them and wait fir the inevitable future resculpt.

For any Aussies, I did a price work out for a few items from looking up comparison GW costings on the UK & US websites. I'm not guaranteeing these are the final prices but will be very close unless GW surprise us somehow.

I don't want this to turn into a whinge fest how down under we cop expensive hobby pricing etc etc but just thought it might help people plan their purchases. I know I have to reconsider things now.

The Rulebook $117 AUD
The Journal book $56 AUD
Foot Knights (20?) $132/$135 AUD
Pegasus Knights (3) $98 AUD
Pegasus Standard Bearer (1) $105 AUD

These will be available from 3rd party online stores so discounts will be possible.

Yeoman Command (3) $98 AUD
Yeoman (5) $120/$125 AUD
Grail Knight Command (3) $98 AUD
Grail Knights (3) $98 AUD

These may only be available off the GW site so may not have a possible discount.

The thought of paying $196 for 1 unit of Grail Knights 6 strong is a bit much for me. The Yeomans are no better. While I would only need a single box of Foot Knights that price had better include 20 of them. Even then when I compare the cost to other GW boxes it becomes even less good value. I like the figures but have great difficulty justifying paying these prices.

I know this game system will have varied success around the world and some people are genuinely happy, as was I when it was proved to be a real thing, but I've just checked locally... Where I live is considered a regional area and there is no GW store. Any local people who play GW games, at this point with these prices coming out, no one is interested in playing this game now. No one. Who knows, maybe in the future they might with more factions but it's a pretty sad thought that for me even if I bite that very expensive bullet (or should that be Cannon Ball) my minis won't see use. Guess I'll have to figure out if paying $$$ to have a varied army for completeness sake is really worth it. Will still look nice on the shelf I guess.

Good luck with your choices people

 aracersss wrote:
It begins ...

If that is a highlight of $75 warsphinxes, then yes. The one decently priced release in this entire thing. I bought one of mine original for $65 so i can deal with a $10 re-release fee.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
For any Aussies, I did a price work out for a few items from looking up comparison GW costings on the UK & US websites. I'm not guaranteeing these are the final prices but will be very close unless GW surprise us somehow.

I don't want this to turn into a whinge fest how down under we cop expensive hobby pricing etc etc but just thought it might help people plan their purchases. I know I have to reconsider things now.

The Rulebook $117 AUD
The Journal book $56 AUD
Foot Knights (20?) $132/$135 AUD
Pegasus Knights (3) $98 AUD
Pegasus Standard Bearer (1) $105 AUD

These will be available from 3rd party online stores so discounts will be possible.

Yeoman Command (3) $98 AUD
Yeoman (5) $120/$125 AUD
Grail Knight Command (3) $98 AUD
Grail Knights (3) $98 AUD

These may only be available off the GW site so may not have a possible discount.

The thought of paying $196 for 1 unit of Grail Knights 6 strong is a bit much for me. The Yeomans are no better. While I would only need a single box of Foot Knights that price had better include 20 of them. Even then when I compare the cost to other GW boxes it becomes even less good value. I like the figures but have great difficulty justifying paying these prices.

I know this game system will have varied success around the world and some people are genuinely happy, as was I when it was proved to be a real thing, but I've just checked locally... Where I live is considered a regional area and there is no GW store. Any local people who play GW games, at this point with these prices coming out, no one is interested in playing this game now. No one. Who knows, maybe in the future they might with more factions but it's a pretty sad thought that for me even if I bite that very expensive bullet (or should that be Cannon Ball) my minis won't see use. Guess I'll have to figure out if paying $$$ to have a varied army for completeness sake is really worth it. Will still look nice on the shelf I guess.

Good luck with your choices people

I did some similar comparisons with the US prices for TK and mapped them against the same prices Heresy releases.

This came out to:

$125 for the Sphinx
$140 for the Tomb Guard
$105 for the Stalkers

 buttersxxx wrote:


I did some similar comparisons with the US prices for TK and mapped them against the same prices Heresy releases.

This came out to:

$125 for the Sphinx
$140 for the Tomb Guard
$105 for the Stalkers

Wow, so my workings out were on the optimistic side! I see we have a few more $AUD to pay then

Thank you anyway, it's good to know
I do like the look of the Tomb Kings too.