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So I was looking through the youtube readthrough of the Asur here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06MYY5levGo

Looking at the High Elf Lord, they come with Light Armour and have options for Heavy Armour and Full Plate Armour (as well as the shield).

So it looks like Full Plate Armour is more widely available than previously.

Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

There were rumors of a Island of Blood MTO

I just spent about an hour looking through GMG review videos of a couple of my armies of primary interest.

I'm getting unreasonably hyped.

Wayniac wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I understand that delaying it just going to push people away from GW models in general, if they're told "sorry you have to wait a few months to play unless you kept you army from 10 years ago"

You can always proxy till stuff gets dropped that way you know what to buy when things are available and aren’t wasting money on models you don’t neeId. I’ve done that far too many times in my gaming career.

I mean, I don't have a WHFB army at all anymore, and if I go the 3d print route there's no point in even bothering with GW b/c it's going to be cheaper/probably better quality than the old models they're putting back. Just feels odd that they're doing a delayed release for something that they seem to want to attract new people to, not just be there for the old grogs.

Respectfully, pretty sure you could build a warriors of chaos army mostly with the Slaves to darkness army in AoS. I think with the change to base size even, ranking the newer more dynamic models shouldn't be a problem as much although I don't know. Beastman you could definitely build and a savage orc O&G army looks doable too granted you'd be limited there.

Looks like all the dwarf stuff under CoS is out of stock right now, wonder if that means they are repackaging and going to rerelease for TOW soon.

Looking at the changes for Orcs, I generally speaking really like it. The choice for the army to have lots of Impetuous units is a decent replacement for animosity, even if it isn't quite as flavourful, but without making it a time waster and having to balance around a "lose more" mechanic that you have to actively pay points to ignore with the old Black Orc "Quell Animosity" rules. I also like that we have I3 now so we don't just last behind pretty much everyone except Dwarves and charging is actually meaningful for us with Furious Charge and how choppas work now. Black Orcs in particular just look like a proppa elite unit now and I'm just happy seeing the army want to take Orc units like Boar Boyz for once rather than just spamming one large block of Savage Orc Big Un units till the end of days.

Well Beastmen got some love. Lots of monster shaped love.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Didn't 8th edition have very complex/specific tournament tweaks to rules and/or listbuilding to "fix" it anyway? Swedish comp was that it? Surely the same will be done for TOW.

Not just 8th, every edition of Fantasy needed aftermarket listbuilding rules.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

Thats a real headace to deal with. IoB elves look nice, but they are not convenient as a standard release because of the sprues joined with skaven, and you also must build full command for every 10 models.
Got 16 old metal swordmasters and 20 from IoB, and currently debating with myselfif I should repaint the metal guys or focus on the plastics.

GW Did sell separate Lothern Sea Guard. Just Rank-&-File though.

Wayniac wrote:
Big problem I have right now is I have no WHFB army anymore, and I dont' know which faction I am interested in :(

But that and it seems really weird they're delaying the releases here, so like if you don't have an army and are wanting let's say O&G or High Elves, what, you'll have to wait a few months for your army to get its models re-released, or else go to eBay and get ripped off or look for 3d prints (at which point why bother with GW stuff anyway, especially when so many of these are a decade or two old)? It seems really strange they didn't have all the main units at least ready to be re-released at once, so people doing armies not Bretonnia/TK and without an existing army can actually play. Makes me question just who this is aimed at: people with existing WHFB armies? new players?

How many people can go and buy out multiple armies at once?

They aim to sell people multiple armies. But people don't have unlimited wallets. Spreading out helps tempt for many times.

I know the legacy faction pdf's are not officially out yet but I was wondering if anyone happened to find any content creators bigger or smaller who were willing to share any meaningful stats for the units from those pdf's since I am seeing that some larger creators have gotten them and mentioned a few things in passing. I know it probably breaks NDA's of course and most creators just want to avoid any issues but if the pdf's are going to be free for the community anyway it seems ridiculous to hold off on releasing them for another week or two. If you were interested in the new ranges for the core factions and the core rules you would get those products whether you have a pdf for a legacy army you already have or not.

If anyone happens to know if any of the legacy pdf's are out in some form right now or can be viewed then please let me know if you feel comfortable doing so. I understand if people want to keep quiet on it though or if there just isn't anything out about them right now.

so "please break you contract and hope that GW don't mind because I want it"

not going to work that way

chaos0xomega wrote:
There were rumors of a Island of Blood MTO

Skaven is legacy, so I don't see it happening. All of the high elf side is seen in the books though so maybe they are finally getting a separate release

James12345 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
There were rumors of a Island of Blood MTO

Skaven is legacy, so I don't see it happening. All of the high elf side is seen in the books though so maybe they are finally getting a separate release

The original sprues were mixed with Skaven, but I think they’re CAD era are they not? Perhaps they’re using the files to make new sprues with just the elves?

Still quite a bit of outlay for the new moulds, but presumably cheaper than whole new sculpts.

Why would youtubers get Legacy pdfs in advance, it's not like they can show off GW merchandise with them.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why would youtubers get Legacy pdfs in advance, it's not like they can show off GW merchandise with them.

Who knows why, bit GW did provide them apparently.

https://youtu.be/-bgE1gq_8Pw?si=y5NoKsvrhREgaMeW says they have already filmed their review videos for those factions.

The video claims they are already available for their Patron subs, though the comments contradict that and I'm not a supporter so I don't know which is correct. Possibly they have rowed back and the GW NDA says they can only make those videos available after it's released?

I'd that's the case I imagine some stuff will leak soon.

Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

The dwarf army photo shows a bunch of Skull Pass minis too. I suspect those sets will get re-released or at least some kind of battleforce with one specific side to it.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

The dwarf army photo shows a bunch of Skull Pass minis too. I suspect those sets will get re-released or at least some kind of battleforce with one specific side to it.

Were skull pass models shared sprues?

Lord Zarkov wrote:

James12345 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
There were rumors of a Island of Blood MTO

Skaven is legacy, so I don't see it happening. All of the high elf side is seen in the books though so maybe they are finally getting a separate release

The original sprues were mixed with Skaven, but I think they’re CAD era are they not? Perhaps they’re using the files to make new sprues with just the elves?

Still quite a bit of outlay for the new moulds, but presumably cheaper than whole new sculpts.

Oh wow! I had not realized the sprues were mixed that way. I am surprised they did that, even at the time.

 triplegrim wrote:
Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

Nothing, this was all done in the past 12 months at most.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

The dwarf army photo shows a bunch of Skull Pass minis too. I suspect those sets will get re-released or at least some kind of battleforce with one specific side to it.

I don’t see any skull pass miniatures, though I’d love to get that box

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

Nothing, this was all done in the past 12 months at most.

Lol. Yet more people who don't know what lead times mean.

Anyone else making mini dioramas on their bases where there is lots of extra space? For the empire mortar especially, where there is lots of extra room, I think I’ll buy some of the new cities of sigmar cannon bits to throw on their to give my mortars some flavor. Should look good I think.

stonehorse wrote:

Well yeah obviously... hence I didn’t say 9 new moulds.

Do we know the other 7 races are getting a new plastic? In the video reviews of the force lists, does it mention any new models? I haven't heard any talk of new things. As both Tomb Kings and Bretonnians had little to no plastic character models, it makes sense they get new ones.

So, the 7 other races starter sets will be made from old models which GW already have the moulds for... it would cost them peanuts to get them done. Think the box art/print would be the biggest cost for them.

I would suspect we might finally see the dwarf lord sprue (or a new variation of). I don't think dwarves have a plastic lord suitable for a starter set, if they are doing the same as per the TK & Bret ones. We might not see these sets for other forces, perhaps just a start collecting for the other core factions now.

But I have hopes we get a new plastic lord for dwarves, as otherwise we will end up with either forgeworld models or just older metals (better than forgeworld models at least). Plus isn't the only dwarf BSB the old forgeworld command set? Maybe we will see those old resin models return.

GaroRobe wrote:Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

Wasn't there a small set of hoeth finecast to expand the IoB units? Maybe they will be released instead. I'd be surprised if IoB comes back for a MTO again, it already got two re-releases during AoS. Plus with skaven being legacy.

Not that I'd complain. I'd love to pick up a few more IoB sets as I don't care about their 'Legacy are banned' rubbish.

triplegrim wrote:Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

The fandoms over-eager expectations.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

Nothing, this was all done in the past 12 months at most.

Lol. Yet more people who don't know what lead times mean.

yeah, that we don't see anything that took 4 years unless this was a very low priority project

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Speaking of high elves, the rule book shows off the plastic swords masters of hoeth, which were exclusive to isle of blood. The lothern sea guard as well, though a few guard were available separately. Hmmm…

The dwarf army photo shows a bunch of Skull Pass minis too. I suspect those sets will get re-released or at least some kind of battleforce with one specific side to it.

I don’t see any skull pass miniatures, though I’d love to get that box

Oh! I thought the miners and cannons from this photo were from Skull Pass. Looking again, it seems I was mistaken, though. that's a shame.

 Grimskul wrote:
Looking at the changes for Orcs, I generally speaking really like it. The choice for the army to have lots of Impetuous units is a decent replacement for animosity,

Forced charges, pursuits and overruns used to be a death sentence in WFB. I remember the type of player me and my friends used to describe as "kid with Khorne", although sometimes it wasn't an actual kid. Basically a type of player who brought a fully Khornate army, "because so many attacks must kill all!!!" and after the first turn wasn't even needed at the table anymore, as you could play their army for them, forcing their units into charges at perfect angles while knowing exactly where they are going to end up, ready to receive flank charges or enfilading fire or getting stuck in a forest for the rest of the game...

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Having seen the army lists reviewed on YT, I dont frankly see what took 4 (5?) Years to develop.

Nothing, this was all done in the past 12 months at most.

Lol. Yet more people who don't know what lead times mean.

Project plan:

Year 1: Panic about the joke an intern posted about the square bases aimed at mantic
Year 2: Show off loads of stuff to do with a computer game
Year 3: Argue with AoS bosses about which mini's they can't use
Year 4: Dig out the old moulds and put together a rulebook based on 8 existing rulebooks