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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I dont fething know anymore. This entire release is a mess to me.

GW are probably putting all production into the AoS4 release. Despite some places still having the AoS3 release box for sale.

But now Stormcast has a hat!

could be worse, could be the "limited edition" of the hobbit game, which they never did shift all of, and to think it was meant to be a limited edition, then a normal edition less one character and then a box for the next two films

 catbarf wrote:
Have to say, cutting out two major new factions- reducing TOW to, apparently, just resurrecting WHFB with half the factions excised, and a handful of new kits for the remainder- does suggest a substantially reduced commitment to the product.

That they are re-releasing 20+ year old dumpy kits, even some in metal(!) suggests it's very much a bare minimum effort sort of deal. That people are tripping over themselves to buy those dumpy, metal decades-old models suggests that GW is quite happy with the situation and "bare minimum" is the best TOW is going to get. Sabotaged by nostalgia.

Maybe it is nostalgia, but for the most part I prefer the 20+ year old minis over the modern ones. Many of the new minis look exactly like what they are: computer generated. They're technically perfect, but they have no life. And most of them are covered with far too much unnecessary foofery.

For all their wonkiness, many old minis did have real life to them. You could see the sculptor's work--and their mistakes were part of the fun.

I also think people are underestimating how much time, effort and money it takes to remaster old minis and moulds. Some of the remasters probably took just as long and cost nearly as much as a new CG sculpt.

Schmapdi wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
Have to say, cutting out two major new factions- reducing TOW to, apparently, just resurrecting WHFB with half the factions excised, and a handful of new kits for the remainder- does suggest a substantially reduced commitment to the product.

That they are re-releasing 20+ year old dumpy kits, even some in metal(!) suggests it's very much a bare minimum effort sort of deal. That people are tripping over themselves to buy those dumpy, metal decades-old models suggests that GW is quite happy with the situation and "bare minimum" is the best TOW is going to get. Sabotaged by nostalgia.

I mean, GWs metal miniatures are far superior to their resin miniatures so there's that. It could be worse if they released good old metals as failcast instead

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
Maybe it is nostalgia, but for the most part I prefer the 20+ year old minis over the modern ones. Many of the new minis look exactly like what they are: computer generated. They're technically perfect, but they have no life. And most of them are covered with far too much unnecessary foofery.

For all their wonkiness, many old minis did have real life to them. You could see the sculptor's work--and their mistakes were part of the fun.

I also think people are underestimating how much time, effort and money it takes to remaster old minis and moulds. Some of the remasters probably took just as long and cost nearly as much as a new CG sculpt.

Agree. Much easier to paint. Footsore Miniatures has a lot of hand sculpted stuff that is really good, doesn't always fit w/ GW but it scratches the itch.

chaos0xomega wrote:I heard a couple weeks back that GW was telling retailers that they would not be getting restocked on the first wave of releases for some time, as GW is trying to backfill demand via their website first before they begin providing additional stock to retailers.

I dont fething know anymore. This entire release is a mess to me.

Depending on whom you are talking to, some say that this is for general and not just TOW with GW allocating less stock to retailers or made clear that they won't receive stock for release but maybe later

chaos0xomega wrote:
As for the other stuff, with the exception of Bretonnian foot knights, the main reason that they aren't releasing the second wave kits is probably because all of those kits are needed for the TK and Bretonnia big boxes - they probably will not release standalone boxes of men at arms or skeletons until they fulfill all the wave 1 demand, etc because they are using all their production yields off of those molds to make army boxes.

by now I am not sure if GW ever planned on releasing those outside the box
Specially as the O&G also have models only announced in a combined box

chaos0xomega wrote:
I don't think they really estimated demand at all. I think they set an arbitrary production target based on anticipated release date vs available production throughput (you can only produce so many sets per hour/day, etc.) and said let's go. The delays to the LI release may have impacted their ability to initiate production on TOW and correspondingly cut the size of the first wave launch as a result.

As for the other stuff, with the exception of Bretonnian foot knights, the main reason that they aren't releasing the second wave kits is probably because all of those kits are needed for the TK and Bretonnia big boxes - they probably will not release standalone boxes of men at arms or skeletons until they fulfill all the wave 1 demand, etc because they are using all their production yields off of those molds to make army boxes.

I don't care about the foot knights. However, Elise Duchaard is the model I've been most anxious about getting from this whole release.

I really hope it releases soon and that I'll be able to get it like a normal person instead of a keyboard monkey bashing refresh while showering the gods with praise in the hope of getting one into my basket.

Honestly feel like by the time GW gets their release schedule sorted, people will have either:

-Moved on to another game
-Bought their army secondhand
-Bought their army third party
-3d printed it themselves

Issues is, even buying secondhand official GW minis is incredibly cost prohibitive right now. The eBay prices from scalpers and hoarders have influenced the Facebook groups and even here.

Glad I mostly bought my stuff before the real madness kicked in, as it was relatively cheap to buy a lot of the old Dark Elf metals and 6th edition kits I wanted... but finishing up my army with a few odds and ends has cost more than the entire rest of the army was.

They really needed a third faction from one of the more widely played armies available almost immediately after launch. The communities for Bretonnian and Tomb King players are die hards, but growing up I can count the amount of players for both of those armies I played Fantasy with on a single hand.

Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.

It seems clear that the products they released were successful in that GW sold through what they produced. Whether the game line overall thrives probably won’t be apparent for a year or two.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.

Just on the contrary here.

I bought Beastmen at the LFGS, and also bases. Right now I'm finishing basing and staring painting. We are going to start a league locally.

SU-152 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.

Just on the contrary here.

I bought Beastmen at the LFGS, and also bases. Right now I'm finishing basing and staring painting. We are going to start a league locally.

Was that stuff they already had in stock though, Beastmen have their full range of Fantasy stuff as an AoS army.

My store must have been late on trying to get bases then, the only thing they have been able to get for square bases was a single pack of 30x60mm cavalry bases I immediately picked up.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Most of the excitement for the game locally has died out immediately after launch since you couldn't get anything for it, couldn't get any bases to rebase any older armies you may have had for it, and the two armies available aren't what people locally wanted.

Just on the contrary here.

I bought Beastmen at the LFGS, and also bases. Right now I'm finishing basing and staring painting. We are going to start a league locally.

Was that stuff they already had in stock though, Beastmen have their full range of Fantasy stuff as an AoS army.

My store must have been late on trying to get bases then, the only thing they have been able to get for square bases was a single pack of 30x60mm cavalry bases I immediately picked up.

The vanguard box, they had to order to GW.

Also, another guy is building warriors of chaos. IMO that's the army with the best chances right now: lots and lots of kits and nice miniatures + Warcry to customize

I do regret picking Brettonia slightly because it is impossible to get a hold of anything and I've now seen a fair few good-looking WoC and VC (even though they're Legacy) armies using the newer kits with the increased base sizes.

Currently building a Legacy Army is in general much easier because you can buy something

with Bretonnia, until the Knights and Foot Knights are available, building an army is limited, even if you can get the released models

Well, speak of the devil. Look what's up for pre-order, a bunch of TOW stuff.

Knights on Foot and others https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/25/sunday-preview-old-world-reinforcements-and-the-army-of-the-solar-auxilia/

Apophas is back in metal. Let’s gooo

Where the hell is Elise Duchaard? This is getting rediculous....'released shortly after the release of the old world', RiGHT.

Still missing the Bone Giant, Casket of Souls, Trebuchet, Men-At-Arms, Peasant Bowmen and Elise Duchaard, so at least one more wave for TK/Bretonnia.

Definitely picking up Prince Apophas and the Necrotect.

Preview video did show Bone Giant and Casket though.

Also shown in the video are Wrath & Glory and Warhammer Fantasy Role Play starter sets!

I find it funny that the new models from the army boxes (and the other old regiments from those boxes as a matter of fact) are on pre-orders for next week while the army boxes themselves are still out of stock.

Going to have a lovely time and paint up the Green Knight.

I still have my old Bret army from back in the day (thankfully didn't sell it) so I have the majority of 5th and 6th edition minis already.

But I hope I can get the foot knights and the metal lord before scalpers snap them up.

I know most people seem to hate the lord on foot, but I think he's wonderfully goofy in a classic old Warhammer way.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Preview video did show Bone Giant and Casket though.

The preview video shows several things that aren't mentioned at all by the article, but it also shows an entirely different set of art prints to the ones shown. Seems both might have got some few things wrong/missing?

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
I still have my old Bret army from back in the day (thankfully didn't sell it) so I have the majority of 5th and 6th edition minis already.

But I hope I can get the foot knights and the metal lord before scalpers snap them up.

I know most people seem to hate the lord on foot, but I think he's wonderfully goofy in a classic old Warhammer way.

The Bretonnia/ Lizardmen box nearly persuaded me to go into Fantasy rather than just 40K. Nearly.

I am tempted by the metal squires though. I resisted first time round but as I scale back massively on 40K purchases, they may make an interesting side project of love.

 alphaecho wrote:
The Bretonnia/ Lizardmen box nearly persuaded me to go into Fantasy rather than just 40K. Nearly.

I am tempted by the metal squires though. I resisted first time round but as I scale back massively on 40K purchases, they may make an interesting side project of love.

The 5th edition squires by the Perry twins are some of my absolute favourites. Their 5th edition metal bowmen, men-at-arms and squires are better miniatures than the mounted knights and most of the characters, in my opinion.

I'd love to see a re-release of all 5th edition metal peasants, but with the 6th edition plastic bowmen and men-at-arms being re-released, I don't see it happening.

The squires lucked out: there are no 6th edition plastic equivalents.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Apophas is back in metal. Let’s gooo

Interesting, as he was previously specifically sculpted for the Finecast release.

In one of the latter articles GW noted that they had gone back to several finecast models and reworked them to now work with metals. Or regular forgeworld resin.

Basically GW do NOT want any Finecast anywhere - even more expensive metal is better than dealing with the mess of finecast.