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 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

 GaroRobe wrote:
Another unreleased dwarf command sprue is up on eBay

Spoiler:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226060692403?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D259212%26meid%3D045e4cb743e9451bbede5808ac6942d1%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D296260269500%26itm%3D226060692403%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2V4ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3CPCAutoWithCassiniEmbRecallManual%26brand%3DGames%2BWorkshop&_trksid=p4429486.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A226060692403045e4cb743e9451bbede5808ac6942d1%7Cenc%3AAQAJAAABgLSVkHmTL63bebovD9RfpraPWbY9f4anjbziTIaEIOVXg2DWhVLks3Lfqff9vxxfjIh4XEXusIehlT2iEH8%252BCxXNySMxlDIQJ3g86%252Bx3AAIAq9gznqdGSR72ksP41kjzPN1reUbVsJuld0S4i4qXlQfTmkMeIJTCXTM8mLpr7ju2fMvruDu87ZX%252B4bShOvD%252B4lByYedmiiAoLUYLELu0GCoaeIALjpvU0Zxz%252Ff4gXk1E1q6vOZIX2ubWlFyopzTtdD7c4ICx8OAUW26E7w53mci5jfNNNI7myRNEMOm3y%252F%252BMnwFOn%252FyF1VjIXwlHIZKoX2AlSBBLZTuT01KUEpNtjIghW5YhyFWDlGUM7Nz5LP1%252BP8aIIkQHYXLQf%252Fe4cxL%252FsMew0uzpQJ3pBbr2UYkRJblDtnJXlK5AfwC%252FLCAcCj159VdKYPHTuLmIFKudlzxxN3Xl36jq%252FNaRj%252F1a%252BJfwPjKV%252F5OQvHbpLcn24xu2NkGoUCu4m8YMR5%252B3BQ4WvahE6g%253D%253D%7Campid%3APLX_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486&itmmeta=01HSV3E3D5F3XNG3TSAY457WR3

Maybe the sellers are afraid GW will officially release it and make it worthless

I hope someone who buys one of these will actually put it together - I'd just like to see what it looks like.

just look at the now re-released 7th Edi plastic command frame

out of the oathstone and the new banner (and some other bits) there is nothing special on that frame and the models itself have the basic shapes similar to the troops

 Just Tony wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

Why aren't those minis "official"??

$50 USD for four stands of snotlings?

I don’t envy new players starting armies. I just want some odds and sods for Orcs and Dwarves to refight the grudge matches of olde.

I will probably crack open the wallet for the orc shaman, the stone troll sculpts that I don’t already have, and more plastic black orcs to bulk out my regiment.

As for dwarfs, I might have all that I need other than a few metal models to round out thunderers, miners, and the other elite units. I must have 80-100 unbuilt plastic warriors and I think they are mostly excess to requirements but I won’t know until I make an army list.

SU-152 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

Why aren't those minis "official"??

Is " Standard retail release" a better phrasing for you? No matter how you slice it, it is incredibly brain dead to sit there and pay upwards of what you would pay for an entire battalion just to get a single sprue that wasn't released, especially since they're gonna be releasing a new sprue with the new line.

 Just Tony wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

Why aren't those minis "official"??

Is " Standard retail release" a better phrasing for you? No matter how you slice it, it is incredibly brain dead to sit there and pay upwards of what you would pay for an entire battalion just to get a single sprue that wasn't released, especially since they're gonna be releasing a new sprue with the new line.

I'd argue the only braindead thing here is the inability to understand some people like different things, so having a rare piece of warhammer history might be what give them their kicks.

 JB wrote:
$50 USD for four stands of snotlings?

Only if you look at the game the way GW force you to look at it. Ignore them. Realistically, how many of us are ever going to step foot inside an official store and get to play games. And if a FLGS is forcing GW sanctions on your games, look for a better store!

If the cost is too high for metal units, use the plastic alternatives. A single set of the snotling blood bowl team will give you more units of snots and two pump wagons for around the same cost.

If you really want the old metals, but want to stretch the value don't put all 7 snotlings per base. Thin them out and get 5-6 bases out of them.

Or go all out and add a plastic squig, homemade mushrooms, skulls, leftover weapons, and dead bodies and stretch a single set out to 8 bases. You now have $100 worth of snotlings for the cost of some left overs and some scrounged up bases (maybe an ebayed squig or two)

I've found some of the prices to be a bit rough (€40 for the two damsels was a little nasty, made worse because it was the one set of models that I need three duplicate sets of ) but over all the goblin prices didn't seem too far fetched to what they could have been. Would always have liked them to have been cheaper, but easily supplemented against cheaper plastics to be decent enough over all. (Though I dread to think what forcing us to buy sets of three stone trolls will do to my wallet, when I know for sure the multiple sculpts I need will be in the opposing sets )

 JB wrote:
$50 USD for four stands of snotlings?

I'm using the plastic Blood Bowl team.

Went to Adepticon last week and played in the Old World Tourney...around 70 of us, played some great folks and had a blast. Curious when GW incorporates Old World to their Open Events.

The Blood Bowl set looks pretty nice. I have four bases of metal snotlings already, do I need more? I guess it will depend on how much the stone trolls and Black Orcs cost.

Dudeface wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

Why aren't those minis "official"??

Is " Standard retail release" a better phrasing for you? No matter how you slice it, it is incredibly brain dead to sit there and pay upwards of what you would pay for an entire battalion just to get a single sprue that wasn't released, especially since they're gonna be releasing a new sprue with the new line.

I'd argue the only braindead thing here is the inability to understand some people like different things, so having a rare piece of warhammer history might be what give them their kicks.

As a Transformer's collector I have several Botcon pieces that are extremely limited, and I understand owning something that is rarer than most.



The brain dead part to me is the exorbitant prices that people are willing to pay for these sorts of things. The after market sucks right now solely because nobody knows how to practice restraint and force the prices down

Good luck with that - considering that auction houses are a whole industry built upon people paying more than the next person for limited stock items.

Heck I've even seen people on ebay pay more than something costs retail that's in stock on the main manufacturers website!

 Overread wrote:
Good luck with that - considering that auction houses are a whole industry built upon people paying more than the next person for limited stock items.

Heck I've even seen people on ebay pay more than something costs retail that's in stock on the main manufacturers website!

That is always very concerning to see. WHY?! Who hurt you? Poor fools...

 Just Tony wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There's certainly that element; plus the fact that right now there's hype and no models from GW so people are much more willing to part with more cash now before GW's official kits drain their wallets.


Now is the perfect time to start selling your old classic dwarf stuff

You mean now is the time for people with zero patience to piss their money away rather than wait for something official

Why aren't those minis "official"??

Is " Standard retail release" a better phrasing for you? No matter how you slice it, it is incredibly brain dead to sit there and pay upwards of what you would pay for an entire battalion just to get a single sprue that wasn't released, especially since they're gonna be releasing a new sprue with the new line.

There's no quarantee this model gets released though. If master broke it could be out of sale for good.

Unique hard to get stuff going for high price not just miniature things. One could arque why anybody pays millions for shirt but people do...

There are poeple who buy every single GW release across all product ranges out of principle so this shouldn't be even slightly surprising to anyone.

 Overread wrote:
Good luck with that - considering that auction houses are a whole industry built upon people paying more than the next person for limited stock items.

Heck I've even seen people on ebay pay more than something costs retail that's in stock on the main manufacturers website!

As have I, thus the brain dead part...

Eh. Its less an issue of being brain dead but more just about how markets and money work.

Money becomes less valuable the more you have of it. To someone making 20k a year, $1000 is a valuable sum. to someone making 20 million its not worth getting out of bed for.

Even if all consumers valued the item equally they will never ban together the drive prices down like you, not due to stupidity, but might be in a position where the amount of money being asked by the seller means nothing to them, or at least less than it might to you.

Well paying more than retail on something that can be got at retail price is kind of silly

Maybe just somebody feeling lazy and buys 1st result from google because to him price is peanuts...

Some people will go online, spend ages researching the best price for a product and if the product is a good buy in the first place and so forth.

I'd argue a majority of those are the kind of person you'll find on a forum (esp today). They go the extra mile in product research.


Others are going to go on whatever store they land on first and that's it. They don't really look any further so their market understanding is limited.



And to be fair we all do this with priorities. Very few of us are willing to craft a shopping list and then hit up 3 or 4 supermarkets to find the best price on each item each week. Even those on a very limited budget put a marker of effort and time against how much they can research something etc...


Plus we all do things like support a local store or a favoured online store. Heck look at how many people just won't buy games from any store online except Steam.



So there's loads of reasons that can come into play which can cause someone to "overpay" on a product.

This is before we even hit the "they were lazy/stupid/ignorant" level

 Overread wrote:
Very few of us are willing to craft a shopping list and then hit up 3 or 4 supermarkets to find the best price on each item each week. Even those on a very limited budget put a marker of effort and time against how much they can research something etc...

One of the nice things about the internet age, and online shopping, is that this is actually quite possible and can often be done from your couch. The question then becomes, is the price difference enough to offset the cost in fuel and time in transit between stores.

I lucked out. The Aldi and Wal-Mart I do most of my grocery shopping at have connected parking lots. And on the main road between home and those stores, are stores from the two major grocery chains, so the time and fuel costs are minimal for me. Even so, generally I don't bother with the other stores unless there's a really good sale going on...

 Vulcan wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Very few of us are willing to craft a shopping list and then hit up 3 or 4 supermarkets to find the best price on each item each week. Even those on a very limited budget put a marker of effort and time against how much they can research something etc...

One of the nice things about the internet age, and online shopping, is that this is actually quite possible and can often be done from your couch. The question then becomes, is the price difference enough to offset the cost in fuel and time in transit between stores.

I lucked out. The Aldi and Wal-Mart I do most of my grocery shopping at have connected parking lots. And on the main road between home and those stores, are stores from the two major grocery chains, so the time and fuel costs are minimal for me. Even so, generally I don't bother with the other stores unless there's a really good sale going on...

Yep but even online its not always dead simple; lots of scam stores and such can confuse a search and searching in itself is a skill that not everyone honestly has; or wants to put time into.
ESp in this day and age where more and more people are doing more online on their phone (tiny screen) and might not even own a home pc (or might only boot it up for work)

A simple chromebook is around $200 and does the job just fine.

But I'll grant you, it's not something a lot of people put effort into. In my case it's worth the savings. For others it's not. As with almost everything in life, your mileage may vary.

ingtaer name's will go to The Great Book of Grudges for calling the most venerable dawi "dwarves"

I still have to wonder why they left Savage Orcs in AoS, not like you can't use them but I'd like to buy them and square bases in the same box.

I don't mind the dwarf lord on shieldbearers and foot lord.

But I'm not a fan of the resin oathstone handgun character. He looks too WoW cartoony, which giant Asterix metal wings on his helmet and a gun with a bore more like a blunderbuss than a flintlock...

I'm also not impressed by Ungrim's absurd axe head.

There is something very generic about these dwarfs. They seem very plain and not particularly warhammery. I'm not sure exactly what makes me think that or even if there's a real basis beyond nostalgia, but they just don't look that great.


This model is the one I use for my dwarf army standard, a sold metal slab. None of this fabric banner nonsense. I squashed more than a few vampire thralls with this guy in a unit. The image of him swatting enemy characters with that standard always made me smile.

 Hellebore wrote:
There is something very generic about these dwarfs. They seem very plain and not particularly warhammery. I'm not sure exactly what makes me think that or even if there's a real basis beyond nostalgia, but they just don't look that great.

I think you're describing what I previously mentioned about some of the new Bretonnians. Technically they're exceptional, but they have no life. They look like what they are: computer-generated.

The goofiness of many hand-sculpted minis makes them technically "bad," but it also gives them character the new minis can't emulate.

Bretonnian plastics available properly yet?

Are there any cavalry units for WH dwarves? I don't see any in the Forces of Fantasy and was wondering if Forgeworld had any that I wasn't aware of.

I was looking at the Sons of Ymir line and really liked the cavalry units I saw there and wondering if there was any hope of rules for such in WHFB.

No, outside the Gyrokopter there never was, yet previous/older Editions had rules to keep the infantry fast (always marching, no penalties for armour, free movement before the game starts) to compensate this

 CMLR wrote:

I still have to wonder why they left Savage Orcs in AoS, not like you can't use them but I'd like to buy them and square bases in the same box.

i suspect it might be because savage orcs are finally going away for good in aos4th, and GW would rather they be gone completely than just move them to a different game