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 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think any SCE players who take more than a moment to think will realise the vast majority of the units will get a resculpt and only the Sacrosanct will end up gone.

which are the armies of those SCE players who started with 2nd Edition
those from 1st are happy to get new rules, those from 3rd are fine anyway and those from 2nd are screwed

Not really. Sacrosanct aren't really anything else than 1st ed models but blinged up. You can quite easily substitute them in for them. It's what i'm doing.

Tell me, Gideon - when was the last time GW did something with AOS that you actually criticised?

I don't know, can you tell me the last time you weren't a cynic? But if you want to play this game, feel free to do it through pms and not in a news thread.

Tuesday, by the look of things.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think any SCE players who take more than a moment to think will realise the vast majority of the units will get a resculpt and only the Sacrosanct will end up gone.

which are the armies of those SCE players who started with 2nd Edition
those from 1st are happy to get new rules, those from 3rd are fine anyway and those from 2nd are screwed

Not really. Sacrosanct aren't really anything else than 1st ed models but blinged up. You can quite easily substitute them in for them. It's what i'm doing.

With all due respect... thats not even a slight serious attempt to debate anything... Is like saying all Orcs are the same... or all space marine chapters are the same and so on and on.
So yeah you should "take more than one moment to think"... before typing that sort of things.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
All the Warcry bands are standard stock in their own part of the store.

Maybe in your country. Corvus Cabal and Cypher Lords have been 'temporarily' out of stock for close to a year, if not over at this point.

LOL at them being restocked at this point if HamCom's responses on Twitter are any indication.

 Overread wrote:

Skaven aren't getting an Old World release at all. Their models being removed are most liekly being replaced this summer with new Skaven models as part of the big update. Skaven vanishing at this juncture was 100% expected.

I wasn't expecting a Skaven release for TOW. I was *not* expecting them to abruptly stop selling all the old models. Which of course are now out of stock on the US web store.

Guys, look! today they confirmed Beastmen now will be a TOW only-army!

4head

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Skaven aren't getting an Old World release at all. Their models being removed are most liekly being replaced this summer with new Skaven models as part of the big update. Skaven vanishing at this juncture was 100% expected.

I wasn't expecting a Skaven release for TOW. I was *not* expecting them to abruptly stop selling all the old models. Which of course are now out of stock on the US web store.

To be fair, GW have been doing this for a while now, they just don't usually give a heads up. Things just stay out of stock for a while before, poof they are gone and here's a new thing (which reminds me, need to get a copy of the current GSC combat patrol before it vanishes.)

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Skaven aren't getting an Old World release at all. Their models being removed are most liekly being replaced this summer with new Skaven models as part of the big update. Skaven vanishing at this juncture was 100% expected.

I wasn't expecting a Skaven release for TOW. I was *not* expecting them to abruptly stop selling all the old models. Which of course are now out of stock on the US web store.

To be fair, GW have been doing this for a while now, they just don't usually give a heads up. Things just stay out of stock for a while before, poof they are gone and here's a new thing (which reminds me, need to get a copy of the current GSC combat patrol before it vanishes.)

As far as I can tell, this might be only the third time: once when they announced a crap-ton of kits were getting culled from Cities of Sigmar (though most of those will be back for the Old World) and when they axed a bunch of Firstborn Marines.

As far as the Stormcast go, it seems to me most of the sacrosanct models that are going could pretty easily be used as “counts as” of things that are staying, so models could soldier on (ie sequitors as liberators, dracoline as paladors, etc).

Rules-wise, it has always seemed to me GW didn’t really know what to do with sacrosanct, so I could see why they would be chosen for excision to streamline the number of Stormcast units.

Perhaps they will come back next addition in the new aesthetic?

Guys, this is OLD WORLD discussion, not Age of Sigmar, take it elsewhere and also, drop the sniping at one another.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
"Mousillon is the smallest, poorest, and most cursed of the dukedoms of Bretonnia. Much of its land was seized by Lyonesse in 1814 IC, after the Vampiric corruption of Duke Merovech d'Mousillon was revealed. The Duke of Mousillon slew the King of Bretonnia and drank his blood before the assembled nobles. War was the only solution." - Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd Edition: Knights of the Grail (RPG) pp. 81-83

Yep, all of which happened centuries before The Old World is set and was the prior vampiric situation I alluded to. Merovech isn't due to return for even more centuries. It's not the 'fall of Mousillon'. That doesn't occur until the Affair of the False Grail which is set to commence in around twenty years from the 2276 IC date we have for the 'current' TOW timing and sees the duchy abandoned in its aftermath. The new interactive map has Duke Maldred (the instigator of the Affair, unless it's a close predecessor with the same name) actively reclaiming previously lost territory and the duchy is meant to be prosperous during this period.

Again, not a huge deal if they want to handwave it as being some remnant Vampires of Merovech's brief reign, just an odd choice when there's a perfectly good Red Duke running around if they wanted a Vampire-Bretonnian themed army.

Any word on when we'll see more copies of Forces of Fantasy again? Sold out everywhere I look, and that's annoying trying to put together armies.

various UK 3rd party stores have supposed restocking days around the end of april, but not sure how that's going to relate to USA stock

If anyone is picking up the Orc & Goblin Battalion today I would love to see a picture of the Goblin transfers!

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Skaven aren't getting an Old World release at all. Their models being removed are most liekly being replaced this summer with new Skaven models as part of the big update. Skaven vanishing at this juncture was 100% expected.

I wasn't expecting a Skaven release for TOW. I was *not* expecting them to abruptly stop selling all the old models. Which of course are now out of stock on the US web store.

Stormvermin have been out of stock for ages anywhere locally, and on the GW webstore too whenever I've checked. Would be nice to know what they are to be replaced by before putting in the effort and potential markup prices of hunting down a set somewhere.

FAQs & Erratas updated!

Old World Almanack – Designer’s Notes on the FAQ and Errata

Also French and German versions of the Arcane Journals promised to be coming "very soon".

So that should put to rest a couple nonsensical community arguments. Lances can be used any turn a unit charges, not just the first time, and rules that say "per x points" etc base it on the game size, not how many points you actually spent on your army.

I imagine quite a few folks are feeling kind of silly right now.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I imagine quite a few folks are feeling kind of silly right now.

Nah they will insist this is a rules change, not a common sense clarification that shouldn't be required

The three things that stood out to me the most:
1. The 4+ save of Tomb Guard Chariots includes their shield bonus. I already assumed this was the intent, but it was good to be cleared up (would have been better if they errated the non-character chariot rules as well to make it even clearer that chariot saves take such equipment into account)
2. You can't use the effect of magic armour while using the save of your chariot or mount. No more wearing light magic armour with strong special effects and getting around the worse save (like Armour of the Ages on a bone dragon)
3. Template Assailment spells only cause a single hit on the opposing character if you use it in a challenge

Bedazzling Helm now infantry and cavalry only - a lot of Chars on Monsters just got nerfed

chaos0xomega wrote:
So that should put to rest a couple nonsensical community arguments. Lances can be used any turn a unit charges, not just the first time

but this was not really the problem, main question going round was can lances be used after Fall Back in good Order or not.
Because you cannot swap weapons, confirmed by FAQ, and you get the Bonus anytime you charger, confirmed by FAQ, but does this also counts as charge that let you use the Lance with Bonus or not?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The three things that stood out to me the most:
1. The 4+ save of Tomb Guard Chariots includes their shield bonus. I already assumed this was the intent, but it was good to be cleared up (would have been better if they errated the non-character chariot rules as well to make it even clearer that chariot saves take such equipment into account)
2. You can't use the effect of magic armour while using the save of your chariot or mount. No more wearing light magic armour with strong special effects and getting around the worse save (like Armour of the Ages on a bone dragon)
3. Template Assailment spells only cause a single hit on the opposing character if you use it in a challenge

The second might hurt the dragon meta a bit; that's good. I think that they should've done some changes to the army lists, but perhaps they're waiting for the Arcane Journals to all be out beforehand.

If you fall back in good order you will rally at the end of your move, if your enemy didn't go after you and its your turn then you can and may charge and claim the lance bonus

chaos0xomega wrote:
So that should put to rest a couple nonsensical community arguments. Lances can be used any turn a unit charges, not just the first time, and rules that say "per x points" etc base it on the game size, not how many points you actually spent on your army.

I imagine quite a few folks are feeling kind of silly right now.

It has always been this way going back to old WHFB, I remember reading FAQs and thinking what genius thought this up and was playing this way...Pretty easy IMO to interpret intent in some cases but no people need to have it spelled out for some God awful reason lol. We can't use logic and reason.

Well Beastmen have now exited AoS, to my annoyance. As it is gonna take a while for those to return.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Beastmen have now exited AoS, to my annoyance. As it is gonna take a while for those to return.

You know this is an Old World news thread and not a general discussion AOS thread, right?

 Just Tony wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Beastmen have now exited AoS, to my annoyance. As it is gonna take a while for those to return.

You know this is an Old World news thread and not a general discussion AOS thread, right?

I think the point he was making is that the Beastmen models have now disappeared from the AoS section of the online store, but have not yet been added to the Old World section, they're not available at all from GW at the moment. You can't buy them for either game.

pgmason wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Beastmen have now exited AoS, to my annoyance. As it is gonna take a while for those to return.

You know this is an Old World news thread and not a general discussion AOS thread, right?

I think the point he was making is that the Beastmen models have now disappeared from the AoS section of the online store, but have not yet been added to the Old World section, they're not available at all from GW at the moment. You can't buy them for either game.

But they'll still happily sell you their Battletome!

So they have updated the Vampire Counts rules. The one thing EVERYONE wanted to know is if zombies have to lose models before you can add more or if you can just boost their numbers anytime and what do they do to clarify? You can't make more than 40 total. That doesn't answer the question we all wanted answering! You addressed the badly written rule, but didn't actually clarify anything. Typical GW.