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 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
The slayers and Kharadron are also down as Duardin though right? So presumably they can just mean that.

I'd figure GW also want to make clear they are still in universe within Cities of Sigmar armies for all those people who have the minis.

They may be Duardin but they’re not Cities of Sigmar; they’re talking about things like the orders that say “a CoS unit can do X and if it’s also Duardin it can do Y” type stuff.

A pretty good indication city duardin get a brand new kit. I mean, if they dont I would be really worried about where all the non humans gone in the glorious cities of sigmar. The whole point of the army is the free races working together. I cant imagine how they explain the Phoenicium dont have phoenix guard any more.

Edit: sorry, didnt even realise this was The Old World thread before posting. I guess AoS have some relevance to the near future of TOW though.

The Phoenicium is gone, as are the Phoenix Guard.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Phoenicium is gone, as are the Phoenix Guard.

I should have known. I will need to look up what happened to them.

 Fayric wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Phoenicium is gone, as are the Phoenix Guard.

I should have known. I will need to look up what happened to them.

Abraxia happened to them.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Phoenicium is gone, as are the Phoenix Guard.

I should have known. I will need to look up what happened to them.

Abraxia happened to them.

I suppose it was just a matter of time. Many of the stormcast units are high elf units "recast" as stormcast, and the Praetors are clearly phoenix guard on steroids. I remember early on I figured most stormcast were elven heroes recast, because GW didnt want to do anything with the high elves and many units looked like HE style with dragon cavalry and rangers with lion helms and fur cloaks.

 Platuan4th wrote:


Abraxia happened to them.

The Artist Formerly Known As Product Segmentation.

threw my hands up in exasperation with GW and bought the Oathmark army deal for the dwarves. I literally do not understand what the holdup was with their dwarves, but not they aren't getting my money. Oh well. I still need to get gyrocopters printed...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Proper bonkers just how jammy GW have been.

It's more simply that they stumbled upon a naturally monopoly first. In basic terms what GW does hasn't had to change in almost 40 years. Games are naturally monopolies since they thrive from having a community of people to play with. (See also how most sports in the late 19th century had all kinds of local or house rules before being codified with the advent of new transportation methods and the growth of cities to accommodate more complex and large-scale competition between distant places.) They also lucked out in that their universes perfectly crafted settings to justify endless wargaming were also perfect for video games, giving them not only another revenue stream (Which they had no risk on since it's licenced.) but a massive way to create customers for their products. They also basically covered every aesthetic and archetype meaning any competitor will always seem like they are ripping off GW no matter what they do.

The other thing that GW had was visionary artists whose work could be relied upon for inspiration long after they left. Compare even bad GW designs to attempts by competitors and it's night and day. Many people enjoy Mantic's game rules but their miniatures are poor not for technical reasons for design aesthetic. They lack good art direction even if many of the staff are former GW people. Which in a hobby where you're always trying to make new units for a fake contrived sci-fi or fantasy military is a big deal, it's not easy. We see even GW has had many fails where units clearly existed to exist and be "new" despite nobody clearly having found a good idea or visual only to be left to rot for years afterwards on shelves after they sales tail off in the first few months. (Hi Hammerfall bunker!)

I think the art direction is also something GW has a good luck on for the time being as the shift to digital art has utterly destroyed not only the art (I just don't feel anything looking at it, stop trying to make oil paintings with digital art, it doesn't work even when they don't leave giant square "brush strokes" the colour depth isn't there) but the valued role of an artist in residence which GW had and used to cultivate a vast art movement essentially through it's products. Now things are done remotely through outsourcing and freelancing meaning you might only have an artist for one piece. Thus everything becomes samey because you can't allow 50 different art styles to haphazardly appear (You got a few distinct art styles in 40k and WHFB books but since it's the same artists over and over across many years you come to not find it weird) and thus artists are more and more controlled and told to paint to your house style only. See also MTG which now has a massive array of digital artists who converge to the same weird uncanny oil painting style. (And apparently are given pretty strict instructions of what the image must be like)

I will say the only thing GW is truly lucky with is that they survived destroying their prime line of kits, the space marines, that was an insane risk. (And it is one they wouldn't have with any other line because the potential sales increases wouldn't have justified it. Ironically Space Marines were so popular GW New Coke'd them) Taking away the genius modularity and all the different marks of armour and turning them into monopose clone troopers with boring helmets instead of just making the legs on the marines as long as the ones in the Rubric marine kit is something I'd have thought would have been disastrous. (GW made the Primaris heads like that I suspect because the Red Scorpions were so popular but they were so popular because they were different) But it succeeded in getting the vast reserve army of Space Marine players and lapsed Space Marine players to rebuy their whole armies and then covid happened and a whole new generation of players who had no comparison enjoyed them. I think the way GW discourages conversions and kitbashing now does help them. If you don't really spend a lot of time making the models your own you make them you're done and you want the next thing much more. They become more objects to collect than projects. Sure you can still do kitbashing on them but it's needlessly harder (And you can't repose their torsos or swap them, not that there is much need since they are all the same anyway) and if you only collect Primaris you won't have any bits to make them anything other than clone troopers. I also think that it shifts things more to painting which GW makes a lot of money from. (Look at the ridiculous list of paints GW proscribes you use in their official guides now)

I forgot to post yesterday, but the contents of the Dwarfs AJ were leaked yesterday on a YouTube video (in French).

I have no idea of French so....

Edit: nah it's almost the same that it had been seen already

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Daba wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Yep. Agreed. I'm reckoning on Empire v Chaos will be tied into something like a year since TOW first released or similar.

I think Chaos [Warriors] will be 'paired' against High Elves.

Why are folks saying anything will be paired with anything, were greenskins paired with anything?

It's on the cover of the rulebook.

Do you think we get the Dwarf pre order anouncement AND the next Faction teased within the next 2 Weeks?

Hopefully. But we're also 'off the map' as it were with regards to 40k, so who knows what's coming next?

GW updated the Warhammer site menu, TOW is now listed under the "More" category along with Heresy, Necromunda, etc.

40k and AoS (along with "New") remain the only top level headings.

I think we can put to rest any tosh about TOW being a "main game" on the basis of it being arbitrarily listed next to 40k and AoS (along with MESBG, HH, etc) on a website menu.

They updated it again;

when I was yesterday on the side; it listed "40k - AoS - HH - TOW - MiddleEarth - MORE"

now it's "40k - AoS - MORE"

There isn’t even a tab beyond 40K and AoS on the mobile site. I did log in to browse the Old World range but since I couldn’t find it I thought “Oh well” and bought Skaventide instead.

Obviously this didn’t happen, and will only ever happen in the daftest recesses of GW ideas. I cannot fathom why a company would make it so difficult to buy their products.

GW site is pure rubbish

Luke82 wrote:
There isn’t even a tab beyond 40K and AoS on the mobile site. I did log in to browse the Old World range but since I couldn’t find it I thought “Oh well” and bought Skaventide instead.

Obviously this didn’t happen, and will only ever happen in the daftest recesses of GW ideas. I cannot fathom why a company would make it so difficult to buy their products.

Based on my mobile viewing currently, there is New, 40K, AOS, More. If you click more you get HH, Old World, LotR, Other Games, Build and Paint,...

Under other games is where Kill Team, War Cry, Blood Bowl etc sit.

Even with the old Page I found it hard to find Underworlds and warcry, they were hidden somewhere and I only ever found them through Search. You'd think failings like that are exactly what you'd want to fix with a new page.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Even with the old Page I found it hard to find Underworlds and warcry, they were hidden somewhere and I only ever found them through Search. You'd think failings like that are exactly what you'd want to fix with a new page.

They were under "Other Games", alongside of Necromunda and Blood Bowl.

As much as the old site may have been a conflict-of-interest issue, I liked it better than the new site...

Damon.

Lars Porsenna wrote:
As much as the old site may have been a conflict-of-interest issue, I liked it better than the new site...

Damon.

Yeah, old one was so much better to use.

Games Workshop just keep making their site worse They need to fire whoever is making these decisions.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Games Workshop just keep making their site worse They need to fire whoever is making these decisions.

They can't even remember that I'm in the US. About every other day I have to reset that from UK.

Maybe they should just go with Squarespace.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Games Workshop just keep making their site worse They need to fire whoever is making these decisions.

They can't even remember that I'm in the US. About every other day I have to reset that from UK.

Maybe they should just go with Squarespace.

I log in with my login credentials, and then have to change my country to US. Every time.

Damon.

At last…dwarves

16s... why not blocks of 20s?
Bloody annoying imo.

Dwarf Thane with Handgun on Oathstone is so cool.

Not as many old sculpts as the Orcs & Goblins got but these ones are pretty sweet. Used to be called Imperial Dwarfs I think?

Gives me hope we'll see a lot of old classics for the Empire when their time comes.

The new dwarf sculpts are really nice.

So people were right, no Malakai with goblin-hewer. Seems a bit strange, since he invented it but oh well.

No Grimm Burloksson either. Burlok is apparently getting rules, but I'd have figured his son would be regulated to a generic engineer. Glad I picked one up off ebay, since the Cogsmith has been gone from AOS for months