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I think they died around the time of tomb kings

Finally I can get a chaos cannon at not a stupid price lol. Warpfire dragon will be a must for me too!

Chaos warriors return - great, love them
Hellcannon - amazing
Warp fire dragon - even better
Skin wolves - awesome

Hope the daemons will return as well - I need more daemonettes and metal horrors. Plastic didn’t do them any justice.
Also happy, that I got metal/plastic chaos knights that have the same aesthetic, as the soon to be re-released basic dudes. Looks like they won’t be returning. Book of tamurkhan re-release would be great as well. Especially while the latest W3TW is still hot.

NightReconnaissance wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
It is funny how so much of their design efforts have gone into refreshing their Chaos range, but they can't use any of that and are trying to resell the crappy old models.

Well jokes on them, I've already bought several boxes of their ridiculously overpriced new Chaos Warriors and Chaos Legionnaires to convert for this game... wait, that joke's not on them.

The problem is the posing of the new models is based on them being on round skirmish bases so many of them may not play well on those bases anyway either not looking right in ranked formation or not being physically able to fit. GW have also embiggened the squares though is this so people can use AoS models or just because going forward they want the ability to scale creep new model lines, probably the latter. I personally prefer the menacing wall of warriors just marching forward.

I will say though I like the classic Chaos Warriors the new ones are just slightly bigger with more modern design but still very similar and "dynamic" poses and lack of ease in terms of interchangeable parts.

With a bit of care, I feel the new Warriors could be used as a dynamic front rank with the older models behind (representing the unit once it's moved into contact). Only the front rank can really fight anyway so it works.

Is this the first time they have fully explained the different wave releases (1 and 2 in this case) of plastic releases? If so a definite quality of life improvement.

Wave 1:
Battalion
Lord
Sorcerer
Dragon Ogres
Chimera
Lord on Manticore
Warriors

Wave 2:
Chaos Knights
Chariot
Marauders
Marauder Horsemen
Chaos Hounds

Welp time to start rebasing my stuff I guess...

Already have 18 trolls, debating the Ogres as I rather like those sculpts. Does anyone know who designed the Ogres?

Picking up all the old forgeworld stuff for sure and one more Daemon Prince isn't going to hurt anyone lol.

Galrauch the Great Drake is one of the special characters but I don't see it's mini as one of the ones returning...hoping that's an oversight and I don't have to deal with him in metal (or finecrap). Much rather see him come back in remastered resin as that worked out well with all my tomb king stuff.



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Oh man if Arbaal the Undefeated returned....I'd squeal like a little girl!

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Hope the daemons will return as well - I need more daemonettes and metal horrors. Plastic didn’t do them any justice.

Sadly unlikely. WFB Daemons are their own spin-off legends army for TOW with a PDF list. They join the others that have crossover models with the modern AOS ranges. As such they won't be bringing any model ranges back with the potential to be "confused" with AOS ranges of the same name.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Galrauch the Great Drake is one of the special characters but I don't see it's mini as one of the ones returning...hoping that's an oversight and I don't have to deal with him in metal (or finecrap). Much rather see him come back in remastered resin as that worked out well with all my tomb king stuff.

Was Galrauch the original 2 headed Chaos Dragon? I assembled one of those in metal with pinning throughout, one of the the most uncomfortable models to put together. So many sharp spikes digging into my fingers as I held everything whilst the glue dried... [searches] That's the one. Looks like there were several versions of him including a big FW centrepiece.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Is this the first time they have fully explained the different wave releases (1 and 2 in this case) of plastic releases? If so a definite quality of life improvement.

Wave 1:
Battalion
Lord
Sorcerer
Dragon Ogres
Chimera
Lord on Manticore
Warriors

Wave 2:
Chaos Knights
Chariot
Marauders
Marauder Horsemen
Chaos Hounds

Why would the chariot be wave 2 when it's on sale now?

The one on sale now doesn't come with a square base I think is the only difference.

Already have 18 trolls, debating the Ogres as I rather like those sculpts. Does anyone know who designed the Ogres?

First off, gross. Those Ogres were considered comically bad when they were released back in 6th ed. That said, I'm pretty sure those are Aly Morrison sculpts. If not Aly than possibly Mark Bedford. Definitely a member of their C-team at the time.

Dudeface wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Is this the first time they have fully explained the different wave releases (1 and 2 in this case) of plastic releases? If so a definite quality of life improvement.

Wave 1:
Battalion
Lord
Sorcerer
Dragon Ogres
Chimera
Lord on Manticore
Warriors

Wave 2:
Chaos Knights
Chariot
Marauders
Marauder Horsemen
Chaos Hounds

Why would the chariot be wave 2 when it's on sale now?

My guess would be it will follow other chariots/war machines with 2 to a box. Throw in the square base and Old World themed box and there you go.

Soooooooo happy to have the Previous Chaos Warriors back AND Halberds and Great Weapons!

Love seeing the Hellcannon back as well. Definitely gonna have to pick up some of this and a Battalion!

Das_Ubermike wrote:

Already have 18 trolls, debating the Ogres as I rather like those sculpts. Does anyone know who designed the Ogres?

First off, gross. Those Ogres were considered comically bad when they were released back in 6th ed. That said, I'm pretty sure those are Aly Morrison sculpts. If not Aly than possibly Mark Bedford. Definitely a member of their C-team at the time.

I personally like them and feel for me it fits the aesthetic of my army better...the conversions I tried didn't work out and with these I don't need to convert.

Hmmn, no Forsaken. This saddens me but it also makes my wallet sigh with relief.

WOW what a terrible reveal. NO new models?? No forsaken? I don't play WoC, but this is such a boring release it boggles the mind. Apart from the Skin Wolves an the Warpfire (which aren't that old as models) there seem to be almost no nostalgia models from back in the day. That trailer is also laughably bad, showing off basically only the old core plastics (warriors, chariots and knights) that are by now 15 years old. Compared to the other armies released thus far this feels like the absolute bare minimum of a release.

Still have that Helcannon from back when it was Last Chance to buy...kind of annoyed they it was in Resin as I wanted the Metal model but Ebay prices are nuts. Was hoping it would be re-released in Metal as well but I guess that was too much to wish for.

OMG it happened, people are nostalgic for Forsaken, the universally hated upon release laughing stock of a kit. Just waiting for someone to be glad we're getting the Manticore and Chimera back. So far no such brave soul.

I mean the Chimera isn't terrible. The Manticore is and is a god damn embarrassment when you place it next to Tahlia Vedra.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean the Chimera isn't terrible. The Manticore is and is a god damn embarrassment when you place it next to Tahlia Vedra.

I'm sorry, as someone who loves chimerae and Manticores (my two most favorite mythological monsters) and ownes both models, i can safely say they are both pants. The manticore looks like he is tripping on a wire and the middle (dragon) head of the chimera looks like the sculptor didn't know where to put the third head and just plonked it somewhat higher above the other two.

Of the ranges released so far i would say that apart from the core warrior units this line has aged the worst...those old chaos ogres and chaos trolls are some of the ugliest GW models full stop

I LOVE the mounted lord with the shield and tentacle though. One of my all-time favorite chaos sculpts!

I have always liked the manticore and chimera. Just because they did a better manticore with the new Cities lady doesn't detract from it for me.

What about Galrauch? No mention of them in wave 1 or 2 and if it's in Metal or Resin.

 Skywave wrote:
Gaulrauch as the special character is cool, and wonder who the other one might be. It cannot be any Archaon models, and timeline-wise I don't know if Arbaal or Egrimm were around, but I'd really love to see Egrimm back as a model!

Egrimm started as a magister of the Light College, which hasn't been founded yet, so he's out as a possibiliy. I don't know if Arbaal ever got an origin story, so nothing rules him out. Maybe we'll get yet another rendition of Scylla Anfinngrim!

 Hulksmash wrote:
I have always liked the manticore and chimera. Just because they did a better manticore with the new Cities lady doesn't detract from it for me.

It's much better, but a manticore needs to have bat wings, not bird wings IMO.

I'm sure there will be other waves and a bunch of Made to Order older Chaos Models. This is just the initial release and Chaos has a large enough back catalogue that GW could be going to that well over and over for more collectables that people want to finish their collections.

MTO for all the Realm of Chaos champions, please!

Although they said no new models, I wonder if this is meant to represent female character they alluded to in the arcane journal

Or it’s just a dude. Hard to tell

Not a grumble, but feels really lacklustre for the chaos release.

I honestly thought they would go all out for chaos, I thought we'd see a MTO with all sorts of weird and wonderful things being released.

In some ways, its good. Let them get another army out quick and save the good stuff up for later. Perhaps we'll see stuff from the 'vault' when we finally see something like a campaign book or when we get our first look at a Empire Vs Chaos boxset in a year or two.

But I really thought the MTO would be like a page of all sorts of random chaos champions. And no new models at all, just a new champion using a recycled model? Wow. Chaos taking a back seat in a GW game seems an odd design choice, even if they get prime space in AoS.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:


Hope the daemons will return as well - I need more daemonettes and metal horrors.

They won't. Daemons are legacy, no models will be released for them and they don't have any presence in the army list nor will they based on what's been revealed about the arcane journal.

 nathan2004 wrote:
The one on sale now doesn't come with a square base I think is the only difference.

I assume that this is a sign that a new AoS chariot kit is on the horizon.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
OMG it happened, people are nostalgic for Forsaken, the universally hated upon release laughing stock of a kit.

Yeah I've found it a bit confusing/humorous.

On my knees here, beseeching the dark gods, please bring Galrauch back in metal.

METAL?! Wasn't he a nightmare in metal? I would think Forgeworld Resin would be much better no?