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 Cap'n Facebeard wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Cap'n Facebeard wrote:
I know this is the eternal moan, but OUCH on the pricetag for Frydaal. She costs half as much as an Arvus Lighter

Weird. In UK£, she's two-thirds of the price of an Arvus lighter. Is she more expensive in the UK than Aus, or is the Arvus more expensive in Aus than the UK?

Frydaal is $71 AUD

Arvus Lighter is $135 AUD

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That's sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

Because the frog is well and truly boiled.

Empire of Man MTO opens next Saturday. Interesting selection, beyond the War Wagon ofc. Might have to get the general on griffon.

I really want the 4 pack of empire heroes

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That's sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

Because the frog is well and truly boiled.

I'm sorry, but could you explain this colloquium to me? Thank you.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That's sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

Because the frog is well and truly boiled.

I'm sorry, but could you explain this colloquium to me? Thank you.

If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. If you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly bring it to a boil over time, it won't. Same bad results, but a lot harder to notice if done slowly, as small changes can be overlooked or rationalized. No clue on the origins though. Probably medieval.

Pretty sure its actually an urban legend and not actually true, but yes thats the meaning of the idiom

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Empire of Man MTO opens next Saturday. Interesting selection, beyond the War Wagon ofc. Might have to get the general on griffon.

I'm totally gonna grab two War Wagons.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That's sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

Because the frog is well and truly boiled.

I'm sorry, but could you explain this colloquium to me? Thank you.

If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. If you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly bring it to a boil over time, it won't. Same bad results, but a lot harder to notice if done slowly, as small changes can be overlooked or rationalized. No clue on the origins though. Probably medieval.

Thank you. I appreciate the intel.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Why is a single model 71 AUD? That's sounds horrible. Especially when she's half the price of a much larger model.

Because the frog is well and truly boiled.

I'm sorry, but could you explain this colloquium to me? Thank you.

If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. If you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly bring it to a boil over time, it won't. Same bad results, but a lot harder to notice if done slowly, as small changes can be overlooked or rationalized. No clue on the origins though. Probably medieval.

Apparently multiple real life experiments were conducted in the 19th century, but it's not clear what came first, the experiment or the metaphor

I think the Empire MTO will probably be too pricey for me at this time, might just get myself the classic pegasus as a painting/nostalgia project.

New Cathay rumours from Valrak (anything in brackets is supposition from me) -

* Heavy infantry unit that can be equipped with swords and shields or spears (Jade Warriors maybe? Might be halberds rather than spears?)
* Heavy cavalry unit with spears (Jade Lancers presumably?)
* Light infantry unit with bows or crossbows (not sure here, presumably peasants but I don't think they could have crossbows in TW3?)
* Terracotta Sentinel
* Lord mounted on a dragon.
* Character on a winged horse (a Great Longma presumably?)
*Hot air balloon (Sky lantern or Sky Junk?)

Hopefully there's a few more troop units, but I can see this being wave 1 with expansion later.

The thing is, any Cathay rumours can just list off the units from Total War and probably be "accurate" - its the details that matter. Like a "lord on dragon" seems deeply unlikely unless they're married.

Yeah I thought the whole point was the dragons were in charge so no dragon riding. Unless its going to be like the Sphinx and Mage in Lumineth (and then I REALLY hope its better posed because that model really feels like someone just stuck 2 models that were originally designed on their own as one)

And yeah you can 100% just list off the TW Warhammer units because GW worked with CA on those. There's every chance we'll see most of their roster (in time) appear as models when a Cathay release comes.

Yeah, Lord on Dragon sounds wrong. Much more likely to be a Lord who is a Dragon, or dragon and human forms of the same character.

Valrak often gets details like that wrong. Despite being a major presence in the GW infosphere the dude has all the awareness of a normie casual when it comes to things outsude of space marines. So him not knowing that the lords are dragons rather than ride on dragons is fully on brand for him.

 The Phazer wrote:
New Cathay rumours from Valrak (anything in brackets is supposition from me) -

* Heavy infantry unit that can be equipped with swords and shields or spears (Jade Warriors maybe? Might be halberds rather than spears?)
* Heavy cavalry unit with spears (Jade Lancers presumably?)
* Light infantry unit with bows or crossbows (not sure here, presumably peasants but I don't think they could have crossbows in TW3?)
* Terracotta Sentinel
* Lord mounted on a dragon.
* Character on a winged horse (a Great Longma presumably?)
*Hot air balloon (Sky lantern or Sky Junk?)

Hopefully there's a few more troop units, but I can see this being wave 1 with expansion later.

Having just watched that part of the video, he doesn't say "lord mounted on a dragon", what he says is there will be a "dragon / lord"

Well I wouldn't take TW3 as set in a stone for unit roster.

Now, as Cathay isnt often counted as part of the Old World I think it is themed more like Military Expedition from Cathay. So it is probably more elite Human army rather then some rabble with pitchforks which is why we probably won't see any peasants but more of an auxiliary units.

And any dragons we see are very likely special characters only.

pgmason wrote:
Yeah, Lord on Dragon sounds wrong. Much more likely to be a Lord who is a Dragon, or dragon and human forms of the same character.

Or alternatively, a dragon riding a human.
Imagine if the Cathay Dragons are the size of cats, and they are only thought of as big through illusion magic and really good propaganda.

pgmason wrote:
Yeah, Lord on Dragon sounds wrong. Much more likely to be a Lord who is a Dragon, or dragon and human forms of the same character.

He actually said Lord/ dragon in the video not lord on dragon. I guess they are doing something like the original AoS rules for Morathi for this kit.

Do the dragons have a transformation gimmick in TWW? Would that be replicated on tabletop?

 Daba wrote:
Do the dragons have a transformation gimmick in TWW? Would that be replicated on tabletop?

The Cathay Dragons can




As for in game, in Age of Sigmar right now Morathi has had a transformation ability to move between her humanoid and snake-goddess forms. In the past GW even did mounted horseback leaders and on-foot versions for the rules. So I could easily see them doing the Cathay dragons with two forms in the box

 Overread wrote:


As for in game, in Age of Sigmar right now Morathi has had a transformation ability to move between her humanoid and snake-goddess forms.

Not since 2nd Ed. Now you just use both models at the same time as in lore she split the snake form off from her when she ascended into Morathi-Khaine.

Didnt fantasy battle 8th edition (or perhaps Storm of Magic) have a spell that turned the mage in to a hydra or something similar?

Lore of beasts the number six spell. Transformation of Kadon or something to that affect.

Also the Beastmen 6 spell turned the Shaman into one of the Beastmen monsters.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Empire of Man MTO opens next Saturday. Interesting selection, beyond the War Wagon ofc. Might have to get the general on griffon.

I dread the price of the Wagon, being a Forge Wold resin piece now, but I'll get one for sure. Have it been metal and regular MTO model (or better, regular release) I would have though about getting two, but that's out the window now. I want that Griffon and Pegasus so bad too! And don't need any more heroes thankfully so I can skip all the rest!

Griffon, Pegasus, and 3 war wagons are on the buying docket.

I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

Glad I was able to get the Pegasus and Griffon years ago before the secondary market for WHFB went insane.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

Hopefully the Pigeon bomb will be a separate model.