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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But cultural and racial sensitivity matters, especially when you’re adapting historical forces to a fantasy setting.

First of all, it's fiction. Second, where was this deep attachment to cultural and racial sensitivity when GW was re-doing Kislev for CA?

I mean, we're talking about a game where sub-saharan africans are represented by "savage Orcs" that in earlier models even had bones in their hair.
And native americans are dinosaurs and lizards.
So, in order to not make it too political best not overthink it. Maybe it helps if you take Cathay as a mix of different Chinese eras and cultures like Kislev does with west- and eastern slavs.

and yet we hot an article on WarCom on how important it is to not mix those different cultures and stay true to the specific folklore and not change things for the sake of gameplay (so no wings for something thst doesn't have things in real live)

But only if it needs to appeal to a new market with high sales expected, no sales expected in Africa or Eastern Europe therefore no cultural sensitivity needed (just need to be enough stereotypes present in the markets you expect sales, so Kislev is how US expects Eastern Europe to be, but Cathay being how Chinese expect it)

 kodos wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But cultural and racial sensitivity matters, especially when you’re adapting historical forces to a fantasy setting.

First of all, it's fiction. Second, where was this deep attachment to cultural and racial sensitivity when GW was re-doing Kislev for CA?

I mean, we're talking about a game where sub-saharan africans are represented by "savage Orcs" that in earlier models even had bones in their hair.
And native americans are dinosaurs and lizards.
So, in order to not make it too political best not overthink it. Maybe it helps if you take Cathay as a mix of different Chinese eras and cultures like Kislev does with west- and eastern slavs.

and yet we hot an article on WarCom on how important it is to not mix those different cultures and stay true to the specific folklore and not change things for the sake of gameplay (so no wings for something thst doesn't have things in real live)

But only if it needs to appeal to a new market with high sales expected, no sales expected in Africa or Eastern Europe therefore no cultural sensitivity needed (just need to be enough stereotypes present in the markets you expect sales, so Kislev is how US expects Eastern Europe to be, but Cathay being how Chinese expect it)

I haven't followed TOW that much but Kislev is not on release yet, right? So, it's still possible we get that. And I'm sure the polish-czech-russian sensitivity Team will throw some nice parties...

No, it isn't there yet and still a chance that it won't be, though with Cathay out a rather low one

 nathan2004 wrote:
I’m 100% buying Cathay when they drop to give me 9 OW armies at that point lol.

I'm curious - which of the "original" 9 factions for TOW are you missing?

Getting incredibly tired of the rule breaking in this thread, next person who goes OT or posts spam is getting a long vacation. You have been warned.

Made to Order items are up.

The shamans and the chieftans are both 18 quid. The Battle standart bearer is 12.

Much cheaper than I expected, about 50% cheaper. The standard bearer was on made-to-order for AoS before and it was more expensive then. I wonder why m2o models are sometimes reasonably priced and sometimes Steel Legion priced.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/piux6zf8/sunday-preview-grand-cathay-marches-from-nan-gau/

Grand Cathay on preorder next week, their battalion is while supplies last which is a real wtf

FOMO discount box before everyone else has to pay full price for the new stuff.

You never know it might be a good thing - it might hint that there's another infantry kit around the corner that will be part of their long term core box?

Not sure how you draw that conclusion. Just seems like pure FOMO before the overpriced core comes out.

Core sets are still discounted from the full retail price of the models inside though and all core GW game armies have a core box of some kind. So it will be replaced with something; though yes granted probably not as good value.

I just wonder if its intended to have a different kit inside because otherwise I figure they'd have just used the regular box and not made a special one.


Then again its a brand new army, it likely might be thought that it needs something special on discount to help jump-start sales since there's ZERO nostalgia power going on with this army (and behind the scenes the staff likely need it to hit certain thresholds to help sustain investment in the line)}

Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

I wonder how much the sentinels are going to cost. Its on a big monster base. So it should be around the 60 pound range.

I'd never put it past GW to not have a discount set for their new faction, but I'd also expect given the unit roster for Grand Cathay in Total Warhammer that there will be a second wave of kits eventually, just not a comprehensive one (I doubt they'll get more centrepiece kits like the Sky-Junk or War Compass, and they've already used the Old World Almanack to explain that Grand Cathay in The Old World is an elite expedition force lacking the homeland peasant militias) and more likely that not a bit further out than around the corner

Might grab a Shugengan Lord just to check out the range

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I'd never put it past GW to not have a discount set for their new faction, but I'd also expect given the unit roster for Grand Cathay in Total Warhammer that there will be a second wave of kits eventually, just not a comprehensive one (I doubt they'll get more centrepiece kits like the Sky-Junk or War Compass, and they've already used the Old World Almanack to explain that Grand Cathay in The Old World is an elite expedition force lacking the homeland peasant militias) and more likely that not a bit further out than around the corner

Might grab a Shugengan Lord just to check out the range

There are 3 more dragon siblings to sell. I wont be suprised, if Cathay will be one of most biggest factions in the range in the number of kits.

By the way where is Miao Ying?

In for the book. Possibly a Sentinel, as it just looks cool.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I'd never put it past GW to not have a discount set for their new faction, but I'd also expect given the unit roster for Grand Cathay in Total Warhammer that there will be a second wave of kits eventually, just not a comprehensive one (I doubt they'll get more centrepiece kits like the Sky-Junk or War Compass, and they've already used the Old World Almanack to explain that Grand Cathay in The Old World is an elite expedition force lacking the homeland peasant militias) and more likely that not a bit further out than around the corner

Might grab a Shugengan Lord just to check out the range

There are 3 more dragon siblings to sell. I wont be suprised, if Cathay will be one of most biggest factions in the range in the number of kits.

By the way where is Miao Ying?

I expect she'll arrive with the individual kits from the battalion in a few weeks time.

And frankly I would be surprised if even a single other Cathayan Dragon appears in anything resembling the foreseeable future, at best you'd be looking maybe years down the line after Kislev and several other excluded factions have been reintroduced, and multiple book releases involving trickle additions to every army. I don't doubt they'd like to make them, but they're not going to give Cathay as many plastic centrepieces as other armies have plastic kits at all, especially when they're holding off on re-introducing contemporary immortal characters with existing sculpts and refusing to re-do iconic centrepiece kits like the Marienburg Land Ship and the Chaos War Mammoth

Well in this Almanack article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zscdwwzf/old-world-almanack-a-short-history-of-cathay/

They already talked about a second Arcane Journal:

"What’s rare is for the Dragons to come to the Old World at the head of an army that looks like it could be an invasion fleet – which is what we get into in the second Cathayan Arcane Journal…"

So again I wont be suprised, if we see more kits for Cathay.

Also Zhao Ming, the Iron Dragon; Yuan Bo, the Jade Dragon is already a character in Total War: Warhammer III where Cathay has been seen for the first time.

There will be more kits for Cathay eventually, as I said, but they're not going to focus on pumping out dragons. Another one with the second Arcane Journal might be considered the foreseeable future if you assume a three-year edition cycle, but I reject the idea that Cathay are going to receive a full Total Warhammer unit roster in a game that lacks the resources to update core kits for armies like Bretonnia and Tomb Kings, and excludes half of the factions of the original setting

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

The price list should make for interesting reading when it gets leaked, then.

This was previewed before but the preview reminded me that I really like the ogre cannon loader and will have to pick one up on the secondary market. Looking forward to it! I know I have a(n ogre) problem...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

The price list should make for interesting reading when it gets leaked, then.

US/CA prices have popped up on discord:



AJ and battalion are the same price as all other AJ/battalions.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

The price list should make for interesting reading when it gets leaked, then.

Oh yeah, the old Hobby Budget is going to get solid kick in the junk with this one...

ccs wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

The price list should make for interesting reading when it gets leaked, then.

Oh yeah, the old Hobby Budget is going to get solid kick in the junk with this one...

Junk… I see what you did there… 

ccs wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well it's a guarantee that everything in this release is likely to be severly more expensive than anything else released so far. So its' going to need some sort of boost.

The price list should make for interesting reading when it gets leaked, then.

Oh yeah, the old Hobby Budget is going to get solid kick in the junk with this one...

You mean sky lantern

Well both Sky Lantern and Sentinel are what you would call easily centerpiece models and new sculpts so I was expecting them to being on same level with Necrolith dragon (Sentinel anyway).

I’m interested to see what top notch painters can do with the Lantern. It’s a helluva canvas for freehand stuff.

 warboss wrote:
This was previewed before but the preview reminded me that I really like the ogre cannon loader and will have to pick one up on the secondary market. Looking forward to it! I know I have a(n ogre) problem...

Spoiler:

Thank you for reminding me that Cathay is giving me serious cannon envy...

The large centerpiece models are what they are, too tall for my liking anyway as this makes them horrible to transport

But I just realised the promo pic we have seen for Cathay has 700$ worth of Monsters in there putting the army in the range of a 1000$