JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and stick what I said, based on experience, and being in the wargaming gig for as long as I remember.

You can't defend the nonsense with anything other then top tier quality figures. Especially when you come to the table with a lot of talk, hopes, and dreams.
We've seen it once, we've seen it a thousand times, with as many games and "Companies" on a list as long as my arm.

I'm interested, as I said, but from what I've seen of it, you take the bull by the horns, put your contacts together with your "Legends of the Industry", and get to work from the basics. "Lack of bottle" is just that. Grow the stones, or step aside and give the project to someone who's not afraid to get thier hands dirty.

Facts are facts. KICKSTARTER, as your medium for raising money for games is pretty much dead/ dying. Too many broken promises, and thieves in the night.

If Pirinen wants to get right with the lord, he buckles down, gets a small, hungry and scrappy bunch together, takes, or delegates a shop monkey to take the book down to Kinkos/ Staples/ wherever, or puts a contract with a printer/ or contracts with solid quality like Osprey, and cranks out a book. Project Management is not rocket science, contrary to popular opinion. Set goals, Benchmarks, Targets, and get to work, and crack the whip.

Second, contracts the figures old school, or prints 1 figure out of each troop, and sends them to a figure maker, or sends them to someone who knows more then just how to turn a 3d printer on. Second choice, is bite the bullet, and make these buggers out of plastic/ sans Wargames Atlantic (Which I suggest, and put a rush on it.)

Third is the excuses. Stop. Stop blaming everyone for everything, because at the end of the day, the attitude, and arrogance are leaving money on the table. End of the day, we can get nasty about it, or push the game in a positive direction, as we should do in the first place. Leadership comes when you step up, apologize, and take the slings and arrows, and push the ball forward into the goal.

I'm not going to fight about it, because this game really does look interesting.


Here is a treat, Ladies. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6uK2UOWO7s&lc=UgwSSOMEOtzwJelI3MR4AaABAg.ARrf6qRG37lARu45SI5Omx

...Not to sound rude but I'm not sure what elicited that response? Like, I don't disagree with much of the broad sentiment (cliché ridden as it was), I just don't see how it's particularly relevant to Trench Crusade? KS may well be a dying method for launching a game but TC did exceptionally well and the issues have largely been regarding the production of the physical prints of the STLs by Only Games (something Factory Fortress have acknowledged and are directly responding to). They ARE making future releases out of plastic (and very good quality ones too) so there's every indication that they're already doing most/much of what (I think?) you're advocating for. Sorry, I may have missed something; your post just felt a bit dramatic, referencing some 'nastiness', 'arrogance' and 'blame' that seemed to come from nowhere.

 Grot 6 wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and stick what I said, based on experience, and being in the wargaming gig for as long as I remember.

You can't defend the nonsense with anything other then top tier quality figures. Especially when you come to the table with a lot of talk, hopes, and dreams.
We've seen it once, we've seen it a thousand times, with as many games and "Companies" on a list as long as my arm.

I'm interested, as I said, but from what I've seen of it, you take the bull by the horns, put your contacts together with your "Legends of the Industry", and get to work from the basics. "Lack of bottle" is just that. Grow the stones, or step aside and give the project to someone who's not afraid to get thier hands dirty.

Facts are facts. KICKSTARTER, as your medium for raising money for games is pretty much dead/ dying. Too many broken promises, and thieves in the night.

If Pirinen wants to get right with the lord, he buckles down, gets a small, hungry and scrappy bunch together, takes, or delegates a shop monkey to take the book down to Kinkos/ Staples/ wherever, or puts a contract with a printer/ or contracts with solid quality like Osprey, and cranks out a book. Project Management is not rocket science, contrary to popular opinion. Set goals, Benchmarks, Targets, and get to work, and crack the whip.

Second, contracts the figures old school, or prints 1 figure out of each troop, and sends them to a figure maker, or sends them to someone who knows more then just how to turn a 3d printer on. Second choice, is bite the bullet, and make these buggers out of plastic/ sans Wargames Atlantic (Which I suggest, and put a rush on it.)

Third is the excuses. Stop. Stop blaming everyone for everything, because at the end of the day, the attitude, and arrogance are leaving money on the table. End of the day, we can get nasty about it, or push the game in a positive direction, as we should do in the first place. Leadership comes when you step up, apologize, and take the slings and arrows, and push the ball forward into the goal.

I'm not going to fight about it, because this game really does look interesting.


Here is a treat, Ladies. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6uK2UOWO7s&lc=UgwSSOMEOtzwJelI3MR4AaABAg.ARrf6qRG37lARu45SI5Omx

...Not to sound rude but I'm not sure what elicited that response? Like, I don't disagree with much of the broad sentiment (cliché ridden as it was), I just don't see how it's particularly relevant to Trench Crusade? KS may well be a dying method for launching a game but TC did exceptionally well and the issues have largely been regarding the production of the physical prints of the STLs by Only Games (something Factory Fortress have acknowledged and are directly responding to). They ARE making future releases out of plastic (and very good quality ones too) so there's every indication that they're already doing most/much of what (I think?) you're advocating for. Sorry, I may have missed something; your post just felt a bit dramatic, referencing some 'nastiness', 'arrogance' and 'blame' that seemed to come from nowhere.

"If it doesn't concern you, maybe it wasn't for you."

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Literally ever single missing arm or broken detail from an Only-Game delivery is the fault of Factory Fortress and nobody else, and them trying to shift the blame instead of owning their mistakes is what is no small part of what people describe as "arrogance" or "shifty behaviour" or whatever.

The only errors I got with my pledge (almost everything) were packing mistakes; I got two lots of Trench Pilgrims instead of half the Anchorite, two of the same Anointed, stuff like that. Errors like that are definitely down to those making/packing the orders, not the design of the models.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Literally ever single missing arm or broken detail from an Only-Game delivery is the fault of Factory Fortress and nobody else, and them trying to shift the blame instead of owning their mistakes is what is no small part of what people describe as "arrogance" or "shifty behaviour" or whatever.

The only errors I got with my pledge (almost everything) were packing mistakes; I got two lots of Trench Pilgrims instead of half the Anchorite, two of the same Anointed, stuff like that. Errors like that are definitely down to those making/packing the orders, not the design of the models.

Lucky you.

If that was anything resembling the average experience people had, we'd not be having that conversation and TC would be one of the best-received and most well-loved Kickstarters of all time.

 Grot 6 wrote:


It looks interesting, but they seem to have the same issues Wyrd, and Privateer Press had in thier infancy... too much talk, not enough bottle.

Project Update #64: Trench Crusade by Factory Fortress INC wrote:USA AND CANADA BOOK DELIVERY: FINAL ADDRESS CHECK

Hello Crusaders,

This is an urgent update for backers in North America who pledged for the book!

Our logistics partners, Baron of Dice, have confirmed that the shipment of books arrived with them yesterday. They have sent out an email to all backers in the USA and Canada to ask you to confirm your delivery addresses and make any last-minute changes you might need.

This is very important: please check your emails (including your Spam folders) and confirm your delivery address with Baron of Dice.

The final deadline for address changes is Monday January 19th 2026. 12 noon EST. Please be aware that any changes requested after that point may not be honoured and your book may be lost.

We are excited for you all to get your books, and we’ll be back as soon as we have more details.

 Polonius wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:


It looks interesting, but they seem to have the same issues Wyrd, and Privateer Press had in thier infancy... too much talk, not enough bottle.

Looking at the KS page, it does seem that they're engaging with backers, so if they replace/make right the poor quality minis, that goes a long way.

But I agree with the broad point that a game/company/creator can be a real small operation that is just trying to get something off the ground, clearly not really making any money off it, and it's a labor of love and should be treated like it. And then there are companies that are trying to sell a polished, professional retail product, and IMO they should be treated like a commercial enterprise.

It's incredibly frustrating to be told in one moment how awesome it's going to be, and then later, be told "but I'm just a smol bean."

Alas, kickstarter can turn smol beans into multi-million dollar projects, and the creators aren't prepared for it.

 Shakalooloo wrote:


What I'm saying is that the models are not innately malformed just based on the designs. If they were, every recipient would have the same models sporting the same imperfections. Since that is not the case, there is clearly a problem with the production process.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Except they are. Otherwise people just downloading the STLs wouldn't have the exact same resin leaks and islands as those that get sent the models from Only Games. Hence, the flaw is in the files from the start, not in the printing wherever it happens.

If anything, if you (or anyone else) got models from Only Games without those issues, you should thank (and probably tip) Only Games for improving on the gak product they had to deal with from Factory Fortress.

++ LIVING RULES POLICY ++
The rules for Trench Crusade are a digital set of rules that can be downloaded for free on our website. One of the huge benefits of this digital format is that it allows us to easily update the rules to improve their clarity, add rules for the new Trench Crusade models that we bring out, and fix any mistakes that have been found.
However, even though the Digital Rules are easy to update, that doesn’t mean we should be allowed to constantly “tinker” with the rules of Trench Crusade! We have therefore put together a Living Rules Policy which explains how and when the digital rules will be updated, and how they will be supported with a set of rules commentaries and twice yearly rules reviews. You can read the policy by clicking on the link below:
https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/trench-crusade-living-rules-policy

Trench Crusade Living Rules Policy
All the rules for Trench Crusade are available as free digital downloads on our website. The rules for playing the game can be found in the Trench Crusade Digital Rulebook, and the Faction Lists for all the Warbands are available as separate downloadable files.

One of the huge benefits of having a digital rules set is that it allows us to easily update the rules to improve their clarity, add rules for the new Trench Crusade models that we bring out, and fix any mistakes that have been found. The rules are therefore a “living” set of rules that can be updated as needed. When we make changes like this, we will update the version numbers of the files, so that you can tell at a glance if a file supersedes an earlier version. You can also find a changelog on the Trench Crusade website that lists any changes that have been made in the latest version of the Digital Rules, as well as a set of Rules Commentaries that answer commonly asked questions about the game.

Rules Updates
Although being able to update the Digital Rules has several benefits, we are aware that it shouldn’t be used to allow us to constantly “tinker” with the rules. The last thing anyone wants is for the Trench Crusade rules to be in a constant state of flux. We have therefore decided that changes can only be made at the following times:

ERRATA UPDATES (When Needed)

Although we do our very best to make sure that the rules are all perfect on release, we are fallible, and sometimes a newly released set of rules will include some mistakes. Fortunately, we are blessed with a vibrant community of players who quickly let us know about any mistakes that we’ve overlooked. Our aim is to fix any of these mistakes as soon as we’re able, usually within a couple of weeks of the rules being released.

RULES REVIEW UPDATES (Twice a Year)

Twice a year, in April and October, the rules team will hold a “rules review”, to see if there are any changes that should be made to the rules. The changes we might consider during a rules review fall into two different categories:

Changes for Clarity: One of our goals is to make the Trench Crusade rules the best written and most polished set of rules available anywhere. To achieve that, at each rules review, we will look at how the rules are written and presented, and we will consider any changes to make them easier to understand and to use. It’s important to note that changes for clarity are not intended to change the way the rules work but rather to improve the way they are presented and written.
Changes for Balance: We also want to make sure that games of Trench Crusade are as balanced as possible, providing an even contest no matter which Warband you choose to bring and which models you decide to use. At each rules review, we will see if adjustments need to be made to the Faction Lists to improve play balance between the different Warbands, based on our own experience playing games of Trench Crusade and the feedback we have received from players from around the world (see Giving Feedback below).
The findings of the rules review will be used to update the Digital Rules, the updated document with a new version number being published online as soon after the review as we are able.

Rules Commentaries
In addition to the Digital Rules, you can download a set of Rules Commentaries from the Rules page of the Trench Crusade website. The Rules Commentaries are used to answer some common questions we receive about Trench Crusade (also known as frequently asked questions or FAQs). If you have a question about how the game is intended to work, then you will most likely find the answer to your question in the Rules Commentaries. If you can’t find the answer, then please send your question to the rules team by reaching out to us via our Contact form, and if it hasn’t already been answered, the topic will be added to the Commentaries when they are next updated.

Printed Rulebooks
From time to time, we will publish printed versions of the Trench Crusade rules for players who like having a physical copy to consult, using the latest Digital Rules we have available at the time that the book is created. The rulebook will say which version of the rules was used in it. Naturally, our system of regular updates and reviews does mean that the rules in our printed books will in time be outdated by changes we make to the living rulebooks. Because of this, we recommend that you keep a copy of the latest Digital Rules or changelog to hand when you play, so you can easily reference any changes that have been made.

Giving Feedback
Our goal is to make Trench Crusade the best written and most balanced tabletop wargame you can find, but we can’t do that without your help. If you have any feedback, suggestions, questions, or criticisms about Trench Crusade, you can send it to us through the Contact form on our website. Although we won’t be able to reply to you personally, we read all the messages we receive, and we will do our very best to address any questions you have in the next update we make to our Digital Rulebooks and/or in the Rules Commentaries.

Project Update #65: Trench Crusade by Factory Fortress INC wrote:Hi there Crusaders,

We’re back with another update for you.

NA Backers
Canadian backers: Baron of Dice has not yet imported your orders into their system, hence why you do not have your emails yet. Our apologies for the confusion here, we were only made aware of this after we received messages about it. Rest assured that this does not affect your delivery time. All Canadian addresses will be imported soon and emails sent out after.

US backers: We are aware that a number of you have not received your email, however BoD is adamant that everyone's orders were properly imported and notifications sent out. According to them this may be because, as they are a store, their messages may have ended up in other email folders, or have been blocked entirely by Spam filters, especially if you were previously signed up to their newsletter and unsubscribed at some point.

Rest assured that everyone’s orders are safe with them. If you have not changed your address since you filled out the Backerkit, you do not need to do anything, your book will come to you in due course.

If you have not received your email from Baron of Dice and need to check your shipping address, here is what you need to do:

Check your Backerkit survey to make sure the address you supplied when you first backed the project is still correct.
You can retrieve your survey through the email you originally received after the Kickstarter, or by using this link: https://trench-crusade-tabletop.backerkit.com. If you do not have a Backerkit account, the link will help you to find your survey.
If you need an address change, or are unable to retrieve your Backerkit survey, you can reach out to Baron of Dice to check with them directly at Support@baronofdice.com
Australian Backers
We know that a number of our Australian backers have been experiencing issues with Fedex: more specifically, some of you have received emails saying that your book is being returned to sender. If your book is displaying having been delivered to an address in Poland, it means the same thing as our logistics partner is located in Poland.

We are looking into exactly what has happened, but it appears to be an error on Fedex's side. We will keep you all appraised over the next few days, but please don’t worry: we WILL get your books to you, no matter what. Some of you who previously received an email saying the book was returned to sender have since received a new email saying it is now on its way, so it looks like Fedex are already working to fix their mistake.

If you have received an email from Fedex saying that your order has been returned, please reach out to us at customer.support@trenchcrusade.com. Please do not expect an immediate reply from us while we attempt to get to the bottom of this, but we will let you know as soon as we know more.

EU, UK and other RoW backers
As stated in our update earlier this month, deliveries to the EU, UK and RoW are still ongoing. If you are in the UK, the EU or a RoW destination outside of Australia and have still not received any news of your book by the end of next week, you can reach out to us at customer.support@trenchcrusade.com

Project Update #66: Trench Crusade by Factory Fortress INC wrote:Book delivery update: FedEx issues resolved

Hi Crusaders,

We have an update for you regarding the delivery of the book.

EU,UK and RoW backers
We have heard back from our logistics partners concerning the issues we were experiencing last week, when a certain number of you received tracking emails claiming your book was being returned to sender, or had been delivered to an address in Poland.

This issue affected many of our Australian backers, but also a number of backers in the EU, the UK and other RoW destinations.

We now know that this was indeed caused by an internal system error at FedEx: the shipping route was incorrectly mapped to Poland. Because of this error, the pallets were redirected back to the shipper's warehouse. The good news is that the pallets arrived safely, and have already been reprocessed and dispatched again. They apologize for the confusion and inconvenience caused, and will be closely monitoring the shipment to ensure there are no further routing issues.

If you received an email saying your delivery was returned to sender, please do not worry. The issue has been resolved, and you do not need to do anything else but wait for your new tracking email.

NA Backers
Baron of Dice are currently packaging up your pledges, and sent out an email to verify shipping addresses. We are aware that there has been some kind of issue with their emails bouncing or going to Spam, and we apologize for the worry and confusion this has caused.

As a reminder: you only need to contact Baron of Dice if you require an address change. If you have not changed your address since you filled out the Backerkit, you do not need to do anything, your book will be sent to the address you supplied.

If you have not received your email from Baron of Dice and need to check your shipping address, here is what you need to do:

Check your Backerkit survey to make sure the address you supplied when you first backed the project is still correct.
You can retrieve your survey through the email you originally received after the Kickstarter, or by using this link: https://trench-crusade-tabletop.backerkit.com. If you do not have a Backerkit account, the link will help you to find your survey.
If you need an address change, or are unable to retrieve your Backerkit survey, you can reach out to Baron of Dice at support@baronofdice.com
If you do require a change of shipping address, you only have a few hours left to do so as the deadline is today, Monday January 19, so please check carefully.

Many thanks everyone!