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Hi , they gave me this text:

"Type: Battleship Armament Range Str Fire Arc
Hits: 12 Port spear battery 30cm 6 Left
Speed: 15cm Starboard spear battery 30cm 6 Right
Turn: 45 Prow nova cannon 30 - 150cm 1 Front
Shields: 4 Dorsal weapons battery 60cm 6 L/F/R

Armour: 6+ front, 5+ other
Turrets: 4
Notes: Cannot be given Come to New Heading special orders. If Lock On special orders is used,
it may increase the range of its lances to 60cm for that Shooting phase only. However, it will suffer an
Immediate Thrusters critical hit as soon as the lances are fired.
Type: Battleship Armament Range Strength Fire Arc
Hits: 3,600 Teratons Port lance battery 13,500km 1,800 T-tons/sec Left
Acceleration: 680,000 G Starboard lance battery 13,500km 1,800 T-tons/sec Right
Shields: 1,200 Teratons/sec Prow nova cannon 13,500 - 67,500km Special Front
Dorsal weapons battery 27,000km 1,800 T-tons/sec L/F/R

Damage Reduction: 83% front, 66% other
Turrets: Tracking for 50 different targets at a time.
Notes: Cannot be given Come to New Heading special orders. If Lock On special orders is used,
it may increase the range of its lances to 27,000km for that Shooting phase only. However, it will suffer an
Immediate Thrusters critical hit as soon as the lances are fired.
*Lances Negate any Damage Reduction granted by Armour.*"

I'm told it's from a rulebook, but I don't recall ever reading it, I assume it's from a very old rulebook. Have any of you ever read it? It would really help me a lot, thanks in advance for your kindness guys, I really appreciate it ??

Looks an awful lot like Battlefleet Gothic rules.

Yeah those are Battlefleet Gothic rules.

Battlefleet Gothic for sure, except this bit.

Damage Reduction: 83% front, 66% other
Turrets: Tracking for 50 different targets at a time.
Notes: Cannot be given Come to New Heading special orders. If Lock On special orders is used,
it may increase the range of its lances to 27,000km for that Shooting phase only. However, it will suffer an
Immediate Thrusters critical hit as soon as the lances are fired.
*Lances Negate any Damage Reduction granted by Armour.*"

I feel this may be a fan update to BFG, using original BFG stats.

Also, whist never an expert in that game? The increasing Lance range makes me wanna say the rules are for the Murder Class cruiser?

yhea, thats definatly based on the Battlefleet Gothic rules, but some of that....isnt. I dont have the Rogue Trader RPG, could be the rules for that?

Also, whist never an expert in that game? The increasing Lance range makes me wanna say the rules are for the Murder Class cruiser?

its got 12 hits, that makes it a battleship (cruisers had 8, light cruisers 6, escorts just 1)

the presence of a nova cannon limits it to the Imperial Navy (its a post heresy imperial invention, not present on ship types that turned to Chaos), and the heavy lance boardsides (it appears to be auto-translated non-english text, and "lance" has come out of the double translation as "spear") indicate this is a Apocalypse Class Battleship, a pretty uncommon (both in lore and in reality) imperial battleship class. the whole thing about extra range for damage to the thrusters is straight form that ships rules.

the damage reduction thing isnt in BFG, though.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
yhea, thats definatly based on the Battlefleet Gothic rules, but some of that....isnt. I dont have the Rogue Trader RPG, could be the rules for that?

Pretty sure the RT RPG uses "Void Units" (grid squares) as its abstracted measurement system, so I don't think that's what we're looking at.

thanks a lot guys, it would be great if you could trace the rulebook that mentions that text, it's a unique thing, usually in the game there is not such detailed information. Please let me know if anyone has an old rulebook, the first editions, I would really appreciate it, if only to confirm the veracity of the text, but I would eventually be very interested in buying it, in case the owner is interested in selling. Thank you all guys, I really appreciate it

 WhiteLion- wrote:
thanks a lot guys, it would be great if you could trace the rulebook that mentions that text, it's a unique thing, usually in the game there is not such detailed information. Please let me know if anyone has an old rulebook, the first editions, I would really appreciate it, if only to confirm the veracity of the text, but I would eventually be very interested in buying it, in case the owner is interested in selling. Thank you all guys, I really appreciate it

I don't think anyone is going to be able to help you on this. Because we don't know what book it is. Or even what edition of what game it actually is. And if it's something modded by a fan....

Help us, help you. Go back to whoever gave you this info & ask them what book it's from.

 WhiteLion- wrote:
thanks a lot guys, it would be great if you could trace the rulebook that mentions that text, it's a unique thing, usually in the game there is not such detailed information. Please let me know if anyone has an old rulebook, the first editions, I would really appreciate it, if only to confirm the veracity of the text, but I would eventually be very interested in buying it, in case the owner is interested in selling. Thank you all guys, I really appreciate it

Most of it is from the Battlefleet Gothic Armada rulebook, see the image in the spoiler tag. The rules for BFG including Armada are freely available as a pdf if you put it into a search engine, because GW put the pdf up for free on their website for a number of years before discontinuing the game. Various fan groups have kept the pdf available for download.



The other stuff is from an unknown source- as mentioned this looks like fan rules.

I'm reading the battlefleet gothic rulebook 2010 edition right now, I hope I find something, but I think I should get the 1999 rulebook to have any hope, i can't contact the user of the original post because he was banned, the post is here: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/warhammer-40k-vs-startrek.67667/page-11

The post on the linked page is for an Apocalypse class battleship apparently from BFG magazine issue 14. Maybe the quote is a weird mush mash of game mechanics and fluff.

What do you want to use it for? The Lexicanum and 40k fandom pages on the apocalypse class are pretty well populated.

 WhiteLion- wrote:
I'm reading the battlefleet gothic rulebook 2010 edition right now, I hope I find something, but I think I should get the 1999 rulebook to have any hope, i can't contact the user of the original post because he was banned, the post is here: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/warhammer-40k-vs-startrek.67667/page-11

You won't find it there. The Apocalypse battleship was in the Armada expansion, and all the information on it is contained in the image I posted above. You need to look at Armada.

The second half of the profile you posted is not from BFG. Reading through some posts on the forum, it looks to to come from the derived estimates of a poster on a different forum (Connor McCleod I think, used to do lots of calcs for this stuff, but tended to be on the high end of estimates). It almost certainly is not official canon, but fan work.

ok thank you so much guys I was hoping they were canon numbers

 WhiteLion- wrote:
ok thank you so much guys I was hoping they were canon numbers

the ranges?

its complicated, but based on the designers notes and inferences form things like planet sizes, etc, the BFG game has a rough "ground scale" of 1cm=1,000km. So, a 30cm range weapon in the game would have a range of 30,000km "in reality".

things like acceleration, weapon energy output etc all seem to be just pulled out of thin air to sound cool, though. An aceleration of 680,000 G would give your "slow, clumsy" battleship a 0-lightspeed time of 47 seconds.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 WhiteLion- wrote:
ok thank you so much guys I was hoping they were canon numbers

the ranges?

its complicated, but based on the designers notes and inferences form things like planet sizes, etc, the BFG game has a rough "ground scale" of 1cm=1,000km. So, a 30cm range weapon in the game would have a range of 30,000km "in reality".

things like acceleration, weapon energy output etc all seem to be just pulled out of thin air to sound cool, though. An aceleration of 680,000 G would give your "slow, clumsy" battleship a 0-lightspeed time of 47 seconds.

Which translates to a range of ~30000km for the Apocalypse lances at sustainable fire ranges, ~60000km for the Apocalypse weapons battery and lances at full power and 150000km for the nova cannon.

All longer than the numbers given above.