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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 00:58:09
Subject: The Lion speculation
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So it seems that based on rumours (pretty solid it turns out so far), we can expect Lion El Johnson to arrive in 40K.
However, I wonder how they are going to present this story-wise, and what impact will it have in the current Imperial setting.
Thoughts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 01:22:58
Subject: Re:The Lion speculation
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If he decides to keep the Fallen a secret then not much changes about the Chapter itself in terms of it’s 40K theme. That is the real risk to the setting in my view. The secret of the Fallen is a little stale, I suppose, it it is one of the lore touchstones of 40K.
That aside, they could take his role in the Imperium several ways, from being a Marshal of a Sector to openly reforming his Legion and challenging Gulliman.
I figure they play it safe lore-wise. Snide remarks to Gulliman and hints of the Legion but otherwise loyal to the Emperor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 08:03:00
Subject: Re:The Lion speculation
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TangoTwoBravo wrote:If he decides to keep the Fallen a secret then not much changes about the Chapter itself in terms of it’s 40K theme. That is the real risk to the setting in my view. The secret of the Fallen is a little stale, I suppose, it it is one of the lore touchstones of 40K.
That aside, they could take his role in the Imperium several ways, from being a Marshal of a Sector to openly reforming his Legion and challenging Gulliman.
I figure they play it safe lore-wise. Snide remarks to Gulliman and hints of the Legion but otherwise loyal to the Emperor.
The Legion has always been the Legion. They only pretended to be chapters. He will absolutely keep the Fallen a secret still.
GW are alternately masters and heavy handed at moving the story along while maintaining the status quo. The Lion and Guilliman SHOULD absolutely feud - one of the last times they spoke Guilliman was kicking Johnson off of Macragge. There should absolutely be at least a third loyalist Primarch coming out of the woodwork to act as intermediary and tie breaker in a Triumvirate and to make the Imperium (1 Primarch) vs Chaos (2 Soon to be 3 or more Primarchs) stalemate more believable. While it is absolutely believable that Guilliman is strategist/tactician enough to hold two Primarch led armies at bay in a delaying action, he is not fighter enough to take two on toe-to-toe nor can he be in two places at once if they didn't cooperate. Things will be even worse as this design paradigm percolates through the system (Remember The Silent King?) and Ghaz becomes a Prime-Ork, Commander Farsight designs a KV128 with a big sword as well as Command and Control features instead of all the guns, The Tervigon/etc becomes a Supreme Commander Lord of War, and so on. This paradigm doesn't work for every flavor of every army, but I'd suspect they're moving that direction for at least one flavor of each army - I wouldn't be surprised to see a LOW Leviathan type vehicle for the Guard but they're going to be one of the hardest to do this for and I'd expect them last or not at all. For example Guard already have a bunch of LOW Tanks that are less than useful because of their footprint among other things. Possibly you'll see a way of making a Knight into their Supreme Command as an IG Aligned House but they've had a long time to do that with no sign they're interested in that. Custodes are unlikely to get one, as are Sisters (though I suppose they have battle suits too). Imperial Knights are probably what inspired this Giant Anthropomorphic Centerpiece Model theme. If not them, then Chaos Demons. Aeldari already have their Avatar who will slot in nicely in this role. I sort of expect to see the Leagues of Voltan get five Elite Caliber animal themed mechanical suits that - if within 6" of each other can be removed and replaced with a LOW caliber giant Robot Suit called Voltranzord. Its just the nature of the beast for the game to keep floating back to Hero Hammer with the way they keep investing the players in the HQ as a representation of us, and most people wanting to be a Mary Sue - also the nature of the beast.
Given the recent summer campaign story arcs, I'm still going with my original hope/theory. Bring back Johnson and Russ at roughly the same time. I would have even done an Odd Couple Summer Campaign as one ends up with a company-ish of the other who then have to return the one to the other and/or home and the rest of the galaxy is trying to stop, help, or get out of the way because it was their dumb luck to try and conquer the planet/sector this was all starting out on. But bring them both back at the same time. Caliban travels. Fenris is on the other side of the Cicatrix Maledictum, AND fairly close to Cadia such that with Cadia in limbo Fenris can become the keystone to that defense. This allows them to fade Dante into the background long enough to cross the Rubicon and further repair the damage to Baal and Assorted Angels as he defers to a Primarch ranked authority on his side of the rift. At that point they've got a Primarch on each side, and one that travels, while Chaos will have one that travels better than anyone in Magnus, one last seen on the Ultramarine side of the rift in Mortarion, and one probably about to emerge from the Rift in Angron. While Russ is not as no-brainer as Sanguinius for this role, that's a MUCH tougher story to write (well) no matter how much Cawl has been working in his lab. Making it Russ - a rival of Johnson but not really an ally (or even fan) of Guilliman - makes it very easy to maintain the status quo as Russ has several reasons to oppose Johnson but few reasons to support Guilliman leaving his playing spoiler mercurial, unpredictable, and an easy McGuffin to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 13:26:31
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Lore wise, I'm thinking the Lion will bust out of his stasis chamber right as that daemon guy leads an incursion onto the Rock. He'll pop out, daemon will get a surprise Pikachu face, they'll duke it out, and Lion'el Johnson will firmly plant his boot in daemon butt.
Afterward, he will bark some orders, try to make sense of all that's changed, have a face-to-face conversation with G-man with a "sorry, but not sorry" attitude, and walk away to do his own thing. He won't try to take over the Imperium directly, but will be a man of action.
Game wise, I see him buffing other Imperials, but not like G-man. Possibly Dark Angels only, and not Imperium in general. I'd like to see him with some kind of uber plasma weapon and monster killing sword. He does have a reputation for monster slaying after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 13:48:12
Subject: The Lion speculation
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The arks of omen are seeking rare artifiacts, probably one of those is the thing that moves the rock around the galaxy and the rock is perfect setting for boarding action games to take place and a great opportunity to sell more scenery.
I think Luther will have given vashtorr information on what can be found in the rock, willingly or not but lion will assume willingly and that he is out collecting a legion of fallen.
I’m also hoping for cypher to become a bigger character. I think there’s some sort of time loop mystery going on with cypher and some of the fallen in which they will say that letting caliban become the rock was the lesser of 2 evils or necessary to prevent something happening
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 14:12:08
Subject: The Lion speculation
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cuda1179 wrote:Lore wise, I'm thinking the Lion will bust out of his stasis chamber right as that daemon guy leads an incursion onto the Rock. He'll pop out, daemon will get a surprise Pikachu face, they'll duke it out, and Lion' el Johnson will firmly plant his boot in daemon butt.
Afterward, he will bark some orders, try to make sense of all that's changed, have a face-to-face conversation with G-man with a "sorry, but not sorry" attitude, and walk away to do his own thing. He won't try to take over the Imperium directly, but will be a man of action.
Game wise, I see him buffing other Imperials, but not like G-man. Possibly Dark Angels only, and not Imperium in general. I'd like to see him with some kind of uber plasma weapon and monster killing sword. He does have a reputation for monster slaying after all.
Game wise, he'll get the same Primarch of the Legion (Aura) that Gulliman has, just for the First Legion. I doubt he'll get an Imperium At Large (aura) - in the first place they're trying to get rid of Soup and probably regret giving it to Grandpapa Smurf. In the second - Johnson was much less concerned with Humanity at large. His nobility was definitely darker and more Collateral-Damage-Tolerant. He was also more of a personal combatant than Gulliman. He will get a Panopaly of War type ability with an Invuln and some other boost from his armor, probably some sort of chaff/Monster dual statlines from a gigantic sword, and a gigantic wrist mounted Plama Pistol wtih a Plasma Canon statline that can't overheat. He may take the Lion Helm back from Azrael. Part of me wants to see him in Primarch Sized Terminator Armor, but probably neither I nor GW want to see him Deep Striking. And I really don't want to see a Primarch sized bike or jetbike.
Fluff wise, he'll work with Gulliman, but he won't cooperate with him much. Gulliman keeps the top job (for now) because he got there first, not because the Lion likes it. Even in Unremembered Empire they had to have a third person take the top job because neither would give it to the other. And to the two of them that was basically yesterday not 10,000 years ago. As for The Secret, Gulliman has already tumbled to at least some of it which shouldn't be a surprise - If I remember right Horus knew Sanguinius' secret too. They're (almost) all super perceptive and Gulliman picked up hints from various after action reports and such he read while catching up on the world after his return.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:04:54
Subject: The Lion speculation
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There were some rumours a while ago that there would be some major fluff event to further isolate Imperium Nihilus, and split the Imperium in two. I could see the Lion ending up leading that half of the galaxy without needing to interact with Gulliman at all.
Breton wrote:Game wise, he'll get the same Primarch of the Legion (Aura) that Gulliman has, just for the First Legion. I doubt he'll get an Imperium At Large (aura) - in the first place they're trying to get rid of Soup and probably regret giving it to Grandpapa Smurf.
Worth noting that Abaddon has more recent rules than Gulliman, and also has a CHAOS-wide aura. Plus lately they have been bringing back soup in a more restrictive form; probably because it helps players to build up armies for multiple factions without needing to rush straight for 2000pts. Between the new AoO free ally rules and AoRs like Angron's daemon pals, I think a more limited soup is here to stay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:24:13
Subject: The Lion speculation
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A huge chunk of the potential dynamic between the two brothers is one of basic ego.
If The Lion returns? There’s only going to be a problem if he and Guilliman feel it’s necessary to actually decide who’s More In Charge.
With The Imperium physically divided into Sanctus and Nihilus? There may simply be no need to do that.
They’re brothers. They know each other’s capabilities. Even if they don’t necessarily like each other, they’ll still respect each other’s capabilities and Just Get On With Smashing Face, because faces need to be smashed, and properly so, if The Imperium is to endure. I’m not aware of anything historically which would challenge that - but I’m yet to read all the Heresy stuff, so open to learning more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:26:39
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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xttz wrote:There were some rumours a while ago that there would be some major fluff event to further isolate Imperium Nihilus, and split the Imperium in two. I could see the Lion ending up leading that half of the galaxy without needing to interact with Gulliman at all.
Breton wrote:Game wise, he'll get the same Primarch of the Legion (Aura) that Gulliman has, just for the First Legion. I doubt he'll get an Imperium At Large (aura) - in the first place they're trying to get rid of Soup and probably regret giving it to Grandpapa Smurf.
Worth noting that Abaddon has more recent rules than Gulliman, and also has a CHAOS-wide aura. Plus lately they have been bringing back soup in a more restrictive form; probably because it helps players to build up armies for multiple factions without needing to rush straight for 2000pts. Between the new AoO free ally rules and AoRs like Angron's daemon pals, I think a more limited soup is here to stay.
Abby and Guiliman/Calgar have been mirrors of each other for a while now, plus he has the Supreme Commander keyword so he's something of a special case like Lord Solar Leontus. Plus I suspect Intra Codex Soup is different. I'm hoping they realized they made a mess of Orks with Klan Kulture as a practically direct copy of Chapter Tactics.
I don't see them doing a hard chop of the Imperium. That creates a pretty major fluff problem for summer campaigns. How do the Tau/Southern Marine chapters etc get to the Campaign in the Northern half or vice versa? They'll finger wave that problem away before they tell Ultramarines players they can't play the summer campaign this year, or the Blood Angels and Black Legion they can't play next year. Best solution is to bring back two Loyalists and Angron for balance, one North, one South, one Traveller and keep the Cicatrix as a plot device for difficult travel, and Special Characters getting temporarily lost in the warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:33:35
Subject: Re:The Lion speculation
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Least interesting (to me) Primarch to return - I did not enjoy his novels.
I am hoping there is a huge change for the Dark Angels - I really dislike their current lore - super paranoid idiots who do more harm than good covering up something that does not matter.
How the Lion will react to the Church should be a major thing but prob won't be - does he attempt to destroy it or seek its support as the chosen son of god.
I expect very little change except a few superficial arguments.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:37:25
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Also worth remembering Cleansing Crusades is kind of The Lion’s jam from what we read in the Heresy, hence being given the best toys, and unknown number of which may yet exist within The Rock.
Just having a figurehead in Imperium Nihilus, one who’s pedigree stands head and shoulders above all others is going to be a significant spanner in Abaddon’s plans, let alone one well used to and highly competent in taking on any foe, however unknown.
The greater the mess The Lion can make of the Chaos forces in that broad area, the fewer troops Abaddon will have at his disposal, as to stand any chance of removing The Lion from the equation is going to take a significant concentration of forces. So like a Poultice to draw out infection, Abaddon could see forces he was hoping to use elsewhere shattered beyond useful concentration.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 16:45:29
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A huge chunk of the potential dynamic between the two brothers is one of basic ego.
If The Lion returns? There’s only going to be a problem if he and Guilliman feel it’s necessary to actually decide who’s More In Charge.
With The Imperium physically divided into Sanctus and Nihilus? There may simply be no need to do that.
They’re brothers. They know each other’s capabilities. Even if they don’t necessarily like each other, they’ll still respect each other’s capabilities and Just Get On With Smashing Face, because faces need to be smashed, and properly so, if The Imperium is to endure. I’m not aware of anything historically which would challenge that - but I’m yet to read all the Heresy stuff, so open to learning more.
Its been a while since I read it, This would have been right before Lion went back to Caliban and his stasis. It would definitely be a fairly fresh memory. Not as fresh for Grandpapa Smurf, but still fresh as he spent a lot of time in stasis himself. The Lion is already hot tempered and impetuous. The combination of grief over the Heresy results, how long he's been missing, and Lord Reagent Grandpapa Smurf is most likely going to send him into such a fury even Angron would suggest a chill pill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 17:10:04
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Thanks for the additional info
If memory serves, The Lion himself wasn’t around for the Second Founding? Makes me wonder if he’d just ignore it and mass recruit to get The Dark Angels back up to Legion Strength, or at least something approaching it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 17:13:05
Subject: The Lion speculation
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If there is a third Loyalist to show up to balance 3:3 and create a Triumvirate of Primarchs Russ is the obvious choice from a marketing standpoint - of the Big Four (Stand Alones since 2E UM, BA, DA, SW) he's the last one alive after Johnson comes back. There are other possibilities - Corvax, Vuklan, Khan, and possibly Dorn with an Is he or Isn't He cloud over his death. The others would require a serious McGuffin to show up though some have come up with great ideas. Manus build a super Dread and transferred his consciousness into it for example.
Corvax is unlikely as he's both changed/mutated and paired up with Lorgar right now.
Khan has potential for a great story arc, with similar unpredictable support structure for each other brother - but he's not one of the Big Four. And we don't really have a fatal flaw like we do with either Angels or even Russ.
Vulkan is probably the most similar to Sanguinius in esteem from both Johnson and Guilliman. But they've already done that story. In fact if I remember correctly he was even the Lord Reagent or something similar before Grandpapa Smurf until he decided to disappear. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Thanks for the additional info
If memory serves, The Lion himself wasn’t around for the Second Founding? Makes me wonder if he’d just ignore it and mass recruit to get The Dark Angels back up to Legion Strength, or at least something approaching it?
He'd do what his legion did. The Successor Chapters are In Name Only. The Blood Angels had some sort of Doomsday pact with their successor chapters - even at least one that was excommunicated and one that is about to be. The Dark Angels are even less observant of the Codex. In private. Successor Chapter Grand Masters answer to the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels. Part of it is the cooperation on The Fallen, but most of it is they're just paying lip service to the split.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 17:34:08
Subject: The Lion speculation
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I guess it comes to ego again. Or at least, ego compared to Duty.
There’s stuff in life which doesn’t sit right with folk, but they Accept And Make Do because it’s not the time to change it or quibble.
With Heretics aplenty to smash, and the pressing need to preserve The Imperium, it could be argued the Loyalist Primarchs are sensible enough to know what to prioritise - lest there be nothing to lead in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 17:52:09
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I guess it comes to ego again. Or at least, ego compared to Duty.
There’s stuff in life which doesn’t sit right with folk, but they Accept And Make Do because it’s not the time to change it or quibble.
With Heretics aplenty to smash, and the pressing need to preserve The Imperium, it could be argued the Loyalist Primarchs are sensible enough to know what to prioritise - lest there be nothing to lead in the future.
Primachs and sensible does not compute!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 19:52:38
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Depends on the situation. Especially for Loyalists who accepted “you have one role”.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/08 21:23:57
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Breton wrote:If there is a third Loyalist to show up to balance 3:3 and create a Triumvirate of Primarchs Russ is the obvious choice from a marketing standpoint - of the Big Four (Stand Alones since 2E UM, BA, DA, SW) he's the last one alive after Johnson comes back. There are other possibilities - Corvax, Vuklan, Khan, and possibly Dorn with an Is he or Isn't He cloud over his death. The others would require a serious McGuffin to show up though some have come up with great ideas. Manus build a super Dread and transferred his consciousness into it for example.
Corvax is unlikely as he's both changed/mutated and paired up with Lorgar right now.
Khan has potential for a great story arc, with similar unpredictable support structure for each other brother - but he's not one of the Big Four. And we don't really have a fatal flaw like we do with either Angels or even Russ.
Vulkan is probably the most similar to Sanguinius in esteem from both Johnson and Guilliman. But they've already done that story. In fact if I remember correctly he was even the Lord Reagent or something similar before Grandpapa Smurf until he decided to disappear.
I def agree Khan could be really interesting but I am not confident that GW could or even would write it - having Lion turn up, be abit arsey and wave his sword around whilst stomping his foot sounds more their plan.
Black Templars always used to be the largest Chapter until the DA lore continued to decline and like the Wolves they had to have vast amounts of everything.
Vulkan is still around I think but just not in the story?
I did not know the Corvax/Lorgar link?
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 11:37:51
Subject: The Lion speculation
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I would like to see more of the watchers in the dark, as these seem to be anti chaos entities and the Abbadon is about to take over half the galaxy would seem prudent to get more stage time from them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 15:59:40
Subject: The Lion speculation
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mrFickle wrote:I would like to see more of the watchers in the dark, as these seem to be anti chaos entities and the Abbadon is about to take over half the galaxy would seem prudent to get more stage time from them.
GW is all about Intellectual Property unless it's someone else's. Watchers In The Dark are Watchers from Highlander.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 16:03:13
Subject: The Lion speculation
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... you've lost me there. The Watchers in Highlander were just normal folks (bartenders and etc) who kept journals and knew more about immortals than immortals did.
They weren't mysterious little Jawas concerned about cosmic forces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 17:46:06
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Mr Morden wrote:Breton wrote:If there is a third Loyalist to show up to balance 3:3 and create a Triumvirate of Primarchs Russ is the obvious choice from a marketing standpoint - of the Big Four (Stand Alones since 2E UM, BA, DA, SW) he's the last one alive after Johnson comes back. There are other possibilities - Corvax, Vuklan, Khan, and possibly Dorn with an Is he or Isn't He cloud over his death. The others would require a serious McGuffin to show up though some have come up with great ideas. Manus build a super Dread and transferred his consciousness into it for example.
Corvax is unlikely as he's both changed/mutated and paired up with Lorgar right now.
Khan has potential for a great story arc, with similar unpredictable support structure for each other brother - but he's not one of the Big Four. And we don't really have a fatal flaw like we do with either Angels or even Russ.
Vulkan is probably the most similar to Sanguinius in esteem from both Johnson and Guilliman. But they've already done that story. In fact if I remember correctly he was even the Lord Reagent or something similar before Grandpapa Smurf until he decided to disappear.
I def agree Khan could be really interesting but I am not confident that GW could or even would write it - having Lion turn up, be abit arsey and wave his sword around whilst stomping his foot sounds more their plan.
Black Templars always used to be the largest Chapter until the DA lore continued to decline and like the Wolves they had to have vast amounts of everything.
Vulkan is still around I think but just not in the story?
I did not know the Corvax/Lorgar link?
Vulkan was last seen doing some Dragonball-Style Spirit Bombing on a mega-ork. In a Volcano. But he is a Perpetual™, so who even knows.
Corax is literally playing Edgar Allen Poe's Raven in the Warp and caw-caw-rassing Lorgar, and is apparently mutated to the point where he can do stuff like dissolve into living shadows or flocks of warp-ravens to kill marines. It's more of an archenemy situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 17:53:37
Subject: The Lion speculation
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What’s the source on Corax there?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 20:16:40
Subject: The Lion speculation
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I, for one, am tired of chaos getting all of their primarchs. I wish they would bring back a loyalist one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 20:34:13
Subject: The Lion speculation
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It's Shadows of the Past from the Anthology Sons of the Emperor. It's quite ridiculous really, it has Lorgar and Corax duking it out, completely with videogame-like special effects, burning runestorms, warp-spirit ravens that shoot lightning, shadow meteors and all that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/09 22:59:18
Subject: Re:The Lion speculation
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mr Morden wrote:Least interesting (to me) Primarch to return - I did not enjoy his novels.
Hardly the fault of the characters if he got the short end of the " HH writer" stick.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/10 02:13:30
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'd wouldn't mind seeing Vulkan really. He always was the most grounded and caring for humanity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/10 04:13:44
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Voss wrote:... you've lost me there. The Watchers in Highlander were just normal folks (bartenders and etc) who kept journals and knew more about immortals than immortals did.
They weren't mysterious little Jawas concerned about cosmic forces.
They watched, but didn't intervene. Aside from the one who drug Lion into a cave, and then carried his helmet around behind the Supreme Grand Master... Automatically Appended Next Post: cuda1179 wrote:I'd wouldn't mind seeing Vulkan really. He always was the most grounded and caring for humanity.
One Of. There were basically three groups of Primarchs. The Loyalist ones that thought they served Humanity, the Loyalist ones that didn't mind that much if Humanity got in their way, and the ones that were doomed to fall and really didn't mind if Humanity got in their way. I'm pretty sure GW intentionally doesn't accurately rank them within those groups.
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My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/10 19:05:44
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don’t think it’s right to say the watchers in the dark watched and never intervened, in the first HH DA book they talked to the lead character didn’t they? And I’m sure that I have read that although the DA keep them secret they are quite active on the rock doing secret stuff
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2023/01/10 19:14:28
Subject: The Lion speculation
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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My guess is he pops out at the end of Arc of Omens to beat back Abaddon and his new buddy. He commandeers some of these Space Hulks and moves the Dark Angels / several successors onto them.
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