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Don't like the Dante model. Most of its...fine, but the death mask and laurels and iron halo makes for a big ol' noggin.

The leg armor looks like its off a different model, and the little flappy things on the jump pack just look breakable.

Shrike and the BT's are johnny-come-latelies in comparison.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Still meh. And no respect for Shrike, per usual

How does this disrespect Shrike?

Ancient even for a Space Marine, there’s boundless life in the old dog yet, and he has now joined fellow legends like Mephiston, Ragnar Blackmane, Marneus Calgar, and Supreme Grand Master Azrael in venturing across the Rubicon Primaris.

See anything notable about the list of names?

They literally could have dumped Mephiston and Ragnar from the list and just said "Chapter Masters".

It isn't like a crazy amount of old characters have crossed.

Disrespecting Helbrecht here, my man.

Throw him on the list too then!

Dante is competently done and thankfully not just a golden version of those first wave flying gravis chonkers. I'd personally have preferred if they had given him one of the Sanguinary guard style jump packs instead. Still, it's an easy enough swap.

I don't think you should be allowed to pick a second-string legion/chapter as your guys and then complain that it doesn't get the respect of a lore-favoured alternative, just seems a bit off.

 Nevelon wrote:

I guessed wrong. He was left off the list as pointed out.

I do agree his style pack fits the stealth nature of him and his chapter. It is nice to see full up primaris jump packs though. Would be better to see them on a squad of assault intercessors though…

Frankly, this was my concern about Shrike being peddled the way he did. As soon as BA came out, there was inevitably going to be a jump character and the whole stupid crap would start back up about how RG players should just shut up.

They missed an amazing opportunity with Shrike to redefine the Chapter's playstyle and add not just one but three characters in one go. Especially since they chose to introduce the whole "Trifold Path" bit to their lore.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Still meh. And no respect for Shrike, per usual

How does this disrespect Shrike?

Ancient even for a Space Marine, there’s boundless life in the old dog yet, and he has now joined fellow legends like Mephiston, Ragnar Blackmane, Marneus Calgar, and Supreme Grand Master Azrael in venturing across the Rubicon Primaris.

See anything notable about the list of names?

Yeah, they're all characters with models from 2nd Ed, something Shrike isn't.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

Primarchs are like lobsters, growing indefinitely as they age and molting into a new shell every few years.

 Asmodai wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

Primarchs are like lobsters, growing indefinitely as they age and molting into a new shell every few years.

That makes more sense than a lot of the official stuff

I don't know, it leaves me cold. There's nothing specifically wrong with it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I feel the same with the Azrael redo. Yep, you checked all the boxes and it's technically well done, but it's missing something. A spark of life, I dunno. Maybe I've just seen too many space marine models.

All of these "X crossed the Rubicon!" models lack not a spark of life, but a reason to care.

It's just lazy redos. They're leaving the how or why of us caring on the table with the corpses.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
I don't know it leaves me cold. There's nothing specifically wrong with it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I feel the same with the Azrael redo. Yep, you checked all the boxes and it's technically well done, but it's missing something. A spark of life, I dunno. Maybe I've just seen too many space marine models.

It's missing the same thing most sculpts have ever since they moved to 3d instead of hand sculpting: a soul. Everything feels hollow and artificial

 Asmodai wrote:

Primarchs are like lobsters, growing indefinitely as they age and molting into a new shell every few years.

I'd say the same applies to marines since the introduction of primaris as well.

Wayniac wrote:


It's missing the same thing most sculpts have ever since they moved to 3d instead of hand sculpting: a soul. Everything feels hollow and artificial

No more or less artificial than the old hand sculpts standing flat waving a pistol and melee piece.

Wayniac wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
I don't know it leaves me cold. There's nothing specifically wrong with it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I feel the same with the Azrael redo. Yep, you checked all the boxes and it's technically well done, but it's missing something. A spark of life, I dunno. Maybe I've just seen too many space marine models.

It's missing the same thing most sculpts have ever since they moved to 3d instead of hand sculpting: a soul. Everything feels hollow and artificial

We're all just growing old and losing our sense of childlike wonder and enchantment

Dante looks great, in my oppinion.
Really glad he didnt get wings and exessive bling, just like the humble old model.

I think first born Dante fealt he had to cross the Rubicon Primaris when Guilliman first met him and said "hey kiddo, run and fetch the commander will ya"

Wayniac wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
I don't know it leaves me cold. There's nothing specifically wrong with it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I feel the same with the Azrael redo. Yep, you checked all the boxes and it's technically well done, but it's missing something. A spark of life, I dunno. Maybe I've just seen too many space marine models.

It's missing the same thing most sculpts have ever since they moved to 3d instead of hand sculpting: a soul. Everything feels hollow and artificial

Yes, because the old Dante was a work of art

I'm not big on the Tactical rock part of the model but the Primaris-fied named characters have been soooooo much better as a whole than the old manlet Marines.

I think the only reason Dante crossed the Rubicon willingly, was that Gulliman told him, that with his advanced age, there was a big risk he might die in the process.

Never letting down a chance to finally kick the bucket, Dante jumped in. Only to come back to live, grumbling that once again, he had survived.

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

It was always supposed to be ambiguous.

JSG wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

It was always supposed to be ambiguous.

In the new Dante article they flat out say the Axe Mortalis has been upscaled to match his new bulk. So I guess it would not be a problem for the forge masters to take other iconic equipment and adjust it for users of different size.

 Fayric wrote:

JSG wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

It was always supposed to be ambiguous.

In the new Dante article they flat out say the Axe Mortalis has been upscaled to match his new bulk. So I guess it would not be a problem for the forge masters to take other iconic equipment and adjust it for users of different size.

Maybe it works like magic items in D&D, and resize to fit the wearer

Wayniac wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
I don't know it leaves me cold. There's nothing specifically wrong with it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

I feel the same with the Azrael redo. Yep, you checked all the boxes and it's technically well done, but it's missing something. A spark of life, I dunno. Maybe I've just seen too many space marine models.

It's missing the same thing most sculpts have ever since they moved to 3d instead of hand sculpting: a soul. Everything feels hollow and artificial

That's part of it, but its also because the artists are influenced by completely different things like video games and anime.

SoB are technically good but the hair and faces look like anime waifus so you gotta put the helmets on. Then there are others that are just un-salvageable like Chaos and IG.

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

Of course it's more like 10 in terminator armour

Goose LeChance wrote:

SoB are technically good but the hair and faces look like anime waifus so you gotta put the helmets on.

I don't think you've ever seen an anime character.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:

SoB are technically good but the hair and faces look like anime waifus so you gotta put the helmets on.

I don't think you've ever seen an anime character.

Well I do try my best to avoid them but It's impossible on the internet

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

iirc the gauntlets were never specified as belonging to Gulliman, I think they were rediscovered tech, could have been retconned as Gulliman's gear at some point I suppose.

JWBS wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

iirc the gauntlets were never specified as belonging to Gulliman, I think they were rediscovered tech, could have been retconned as Gulliman's gear at some point I suppose.

Not only rediscovered tech, rediscovered tech taken from a chaos champion.

 Fayric wrote:

JSG wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:


Meanwhile the Lion Helm exists... though I'm not even sure these days if it's supposed to be LeJ's actual helmet.

The fists of Macragge also would obviously not fit on Guilliman's hands. But we are where we are. Chapter Masters carrying round things from their primarch has never really worked since they made primarchs fifteen feet tall.

It was always supposed to be ambiguous.

In the new Dante article they flat out say the Axe Mortalis has been upscaled to match his new bulk. So I guess it would not be a problem for the forge masters to take other iconic equipment and adjust it for users of different size.

All these ancient artefacts are just Trigger's Broom, constant repairs and upgrades, but still the original item, yessir, kept pristine through millennia of service, give that man a purity seal.

Poor GW, so close of keeping it a secret and yet so far.

I think the mini has some nice ideas and details and the pose is quite dynamic, yet, again, I cannot really say I like it because the main feature, the helmet, just is not working well at all. It's like a mask stuck in the front of the normal primaris helmet, its not integrated or credible, its like a carnival mask.

You can tease the previous sculpt has being small, old and dated, but the head there is better executed.

Hopefully they have different heads options for this model.