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This thread contains information and rumours about the 10th edition of Warhammer 40k, the Starter Box for that edition, and the rumoured first two armies to appear: Space Marines and Tyranids.
Contributions by other rumourmongers will be included as they appear and by my discretion
At the top of the thread you'll find a chronological overview of the rumours that will be updated regularly, followed by thematic summaries that are roughly divided into 10th edition rumours, starter box rumours, marine rumours and tyranid rumours, which will be updated at a slightly slower pace, probably on the weekends mostly.
As always, please be nice to each other, follow the forum rules, try to stay on topic and don't flood the thread with too many witty one-liners and zingers - i intend to maintain this thread until 10th edition is released, i.e. probably until mid-june or early july, and too much off-topic and oneliners means more workload for me.
If you come across rumours that you want included, just make me aware of them, ideally with a source i can include, and i'll add them to this post at the earliest opportunity.
Big thanks to all the people that regularly contribute rumours, sources and video recaps: dudeface, matrindur, royrobhobgob, xttz
And now for something completely different: the Rumours!
A burner account on Reddit had a lot to say for 2023:
Space Marines 2.0 codex in 2023
- adds jump assault infantry in a shadowspear style release with World Eaters
- "primaris" terminators held back for 10th edition
10th Ed starters feature Blood Angels and Tyranids:
- new "primaris" terminators; jump death company; captain; sanguinary priest
- broodlord, new genestealers, macrofex, hypergants, zoanthrope HQ
Blood Angels faction release:
- Sanguinor (Primarch / avatar of sanguinius), lots of cherubs
- Dante (model has been ready since 2019)
- Death Company chaplain
- Furioso Redemptor
- Sanguinary guard
- Upgrade sprue
Tyranids:
- Macrofex
- Old One Eye (macrofex size)
- Hypergant swarms (105mm base)
- New genestealers
- New hormaguants
Another burner account on Reddit chimed in with additional rumours:
- The next codex is Votann.
- Then Kill Team - set on a space hulk, it’s new kasrkin vs Genestealers (old kit with upgrade sprew)
- Then guard codex.
- Then world eaters with Angron.
- After that Space Marines, Chapter Supplements
- 'Primaris Terminators' in Gravis Armor, Primaris 'Devastators'
- Launch of 10th will be Tyranids with a range refresh like the necrons saw.
- Opposite them Generic Space Marines with jump pack assault troops and a jump captain (there is likely more units in the box)
- Generic Marines are painted as Blood Angels as they’re going to poster boy the launch, along with Dark Angels
- Both will see large Primaris centric updates (including a Lion model).
- Focus on Imperium Nihilus with “Aangels of Death” codex nostalgia
- Demons probably before Space Marines codex
- 10th edition will be 'another game' that is rebuilt 'from the ground up', i.e. a complete redesign instead of an evolution of 9th edition concepts
- Space Marine chapter supplements that were planned for the end of 9th edition have been postponed due to the enormity of the changes, and will instead be released in 10th edition
- Among the chapters mentioned are Iron Hands and White Scars
- In 10th edition, the separation between Primaris and Firstborn will be removed, including the keywords - Thus, 'Space Marines' of all generations will be one faction, removing restrictions on using certain transports etc. on the tabletop, even if the separation remains in the background
There's direct contradiction to parts of that on Bolter and Chainsword; edited for brevity below, full quote in spoilers
-10th edition will come this year, and be an evolution of 9th edition rules
- The stratagem system will be pruned and greatly simplified, to a list of general stratagems and 1 army-specific stratagem per faction. Describes as similar to 30k reactions.
- This rumour also mentions Codex chapter supplements that will not be coming in 9th edition, but says nothing about them being redone for 10th
- Both the original poster and a second user allude to 11th edition bringing more significant and sweeping stances still, citing GW's reaction speed as reason why 10th will only alleviate, but not solve all problems GW is aware of
[spoiler]
Dudeface wrote: In contradiction, from Orange Knight on B&C:
Hello all
I have recently come to hear some interesting information pertaining to the year ahead.
-10th edition is indeed coming this year, and apparently some information may come to light at Adepticon.
-10th edition will be an evolution of the core rules of 9th edition, not a complete re-write. There are massive changes coming to the stratagem system. Streamlining and significant cutbacks - I heard mention of a dozen generic stratagems for use across all factions, and a single unique strat per army. (To me this sounds like the reaction system in 30k)
-The Codex chapter supplements are not coming in 9th edition (Fists, Iron Hands, Ultras, etc). They were planned for 9th initially but will now be too close to 10th.
Anyways, this all sounded plausible to me. I'm not sure how GW would plan on an evolution of the rules, whilst scrapping all stratagems from the 9th edition books. The unit rules across all faction have been gutted, and their abilities converted to strats. I don't even want to imagine the volume of FAQs and Errata.
heard (2nd hand, so take that as you will) that GW have indeed become aware of the issues with 40k as it currently stands, and that they are aware of the sentiments of many players.
Unfortunately the gears and mechanisms turn slowly, and any significant changes they come up with are probably years away. What gets released is typically 2 years behind what they are working on at any given time. It's why I have become more cynical about 10th edition - I believe that the real change needed probably won't arrive until 11th.
It's why I believe what I was told about the edition being an evolution of 9th. Now, as others have pointed out, the changes could still be significant and just because the core rules aren't changed completely the various codex books could still be invalidated.
This was backed up by Noserenda:
Id heard similar a while back from someone inside, they know the 9th ed codexes got out of hand but couldn't fix it just yet, I expected to see it in the later codexes (I've not been paying much attention to rules recently though) but an edition reset also makes sense.
- 10th edition will be out this year. Another video with evidence for that is announced for next week
- Starter box is Space Marines vs. Tyranids.
- Tyranids will get the same range refresh Necrons got - Sources he trusts say: Lictors, something called a 'norn emissary bad gaunt' or something like that, neither i nor the youtube subtitle system seem to be able to make out what he tries to say , Lictor Prime, Lictor Alpha or possibly Lector Prime / Lector Alpha - i'm not able to make out if he means Lictor and mispronounces or if he really means Lector.
- Friends in the paper industry say that there will be a new partworks magazine for 10th edition may be coming / is in the planning stages
- According to sources he trusts 10th edition will come with indexes for all armies
- From this he concludes that there will be some sort of 'reset', but says he has no ideas how large that reset will be
- He also concludes that the World Eater codex is 'designed according to 10th edition design paradigms'
- Sources he trusts mention June 24th as a release date for 10th edition, citing a lot staff training seminars right before that date
- He cites as additional evidence that the Arks of Omen series will end a month before
- He speculates that Adepticon in March will center on AoO and the Lion, and Warhammer Fest will center on 10th edition
Additional stuff from Saturday's video i had not yet summarized:
- He actually takes up the Faeit rumours about HH and says that he also has not heard anything about assault infantry for that game
- According to what he heard HH focus is at the moment mainly on vehicles
- Says he has heard nothing specific about the Terminator kit being usable for 30k and 40k both, only that the Termis will be 'chunky'
- Again says new Terminators in 10th edition box set
- Nothing specific about the rumoured 2 army box set for HH
A lot of stuff from the newest video, i pared this summary down by removing stuff we already heard before:
- Promotional art will show them [the starter box miniatures] as Dark Angels and Hive Fleet Leviathan
- Tyranid players will receive a new model called an Apex Swarmlord
- Narrative does not appear to be a timeskip but expanding on events elsewhere while the Indomitus Crusade battles the Necrons led by the Silent King. Arks of Omen: The Lion will be the first step in a longform narrative chain tying both galactic conflicts together.
-Core rules are streamlined
- Psychic Phase and Command Phase are combined
- Toughness is now only on datasheets with a [Heavy Armour] keyword ability. E.g Terminators, Rhinos, Dreadnoughts etc. Generic troops now only roll to hit when attacking and save when defending.
- Armour Pen. and Invulnerable saves are unchanged.
- Crusade is being simplified and behaves closer to Age of Sigmars Path to Glory
- Detachments, Battle forging, Stratagems and CP generation have all be simplified or reworked
- Game is intended to be faster, with smaller units and a much bigger emphasis on terrain
- Along with the start box there will be a new series of terrain intended to scale from small to medium to large scale games
- The core rules will be free online with two variants. "Narrative" and "Competitive" - There is a codex coming for Dark Admech and one new Xenos race
- A second wave of Votann along with a updated codex is expected to launch in September - The way Space Marines will receive a codex and rules for Chapters is changing completely and will be explained in a special White Dwarf releasing in May 2023 and closer to release on the Warhammer Community website - The new edition will also see GW retiring the current range of Texture Paints and they will be replaced with new products using new materials intended to be another Contrast Paint style product to quickly allow beginners in a partnership with 'Screen Products Limited'
Renowned rumourmonger Whitefang on The Grand Alliance called specific parts of the rumour from 02/07/2023 false, namely
>Core rules are streamlined (I hope so, less layers of rules and more polished gameplay)
>Psychic Phase and Command Phase are combined (same as our Hero Phase)
>Toughness is now only on datasheets with a [Heavy Armour] keyword ability. E.g Terminators, Rhinos, Dreadnoughts etc. Generic troops now only roll to hit when attacking and save when defending. (big change, maybe we could see something like that to make non-500p monsters more durable or even elite units).
Dudeface brings us a new batch of rumours about 10th Starter Box content, new Marines and new Tyranids; sligthly edited version here
New Starter Box is called Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, Power Sword, Bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (Two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, Bolter Gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (Primaris Scouts, Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris, Shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-Three new big monster kits (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called 'Overlord Dropship', think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New 'Veteran'; unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
Valrak now calls out these rumours as trolling and says he does not corroborate them
- Says 'names sound ridiculous' for the marine side
- Calls Tyranid stuff out as 'echo chamber' stuff
- Also calls out the Overlord Drosphip especially as made-up because evidence in novels describes them as much larger than Thunderhawks
- Doubles down and says that he doesn't believe anything in these rumours that was not taken from his videos in the first place
- Dark Angels will get some sort of bodyguard unit to go wit Lion'El Johnson called the Lionguard according to trusted sources - Blood Angels: Dante is done and shall be revealed soon
- Speculation about redone Sanguinary Guard
- Still doubling down 100% on SM vs. Tyranids in 10th box set
- Space Wolves: only speculation
- Grey Knights: no rumours
- Other chapters : Cato Sicarius as a focal character in 10th
- Speculation about a new Lysander in new Terminator armour
- Unspecified chapter-specific supplements originally scheduled for 9th will appear in 10th
- New Models in general:
- New Librarian and Terminators in 10th starter
- New Jump Assault Marines are done and will release soon, their models informed the videogame Space Marine II
- Again mentions allowing classic marine transports to transport Primaris in 10th
- 'Maybe' a new Space Marine flyer, but not the Overlord
02/16/2023 'The mystery Pastebin'
Spoiler:
xttz brings us a bunch of rumours from a pastebin with unknown originator:
- There's a convoluted system to roll out digital unit profiles for premade units via the App, the online store and Warhammer+, as well as by unlocks from QR codes in other products
- I can't be arsed to make any sense of this, please read the original Pastebin for yourself
- 10th edition will have a box called 'Vigil of Blood' for seasoned players and a 'series of mini starter boxes' that includes paints and tools for newcomers
- There will be 'Grand Tournament Packs' released every year
- The first GT pack is said to include 'mountains of terrain' and to be GW's most expensive box ever
- GT packs include digital materials, an 'extremely tight ruleset', scoresheets, clocks and digital support for scoring etc.
- Codexes for Space Marines, Tyranids, Orks and Demons are in playtesting
- Supplements for Blood Angels, Space Wolves and White Scars are in playtesting
- Starter box contents as per this rumour:
1 winged jump primaris captain
1 apothecari toxinmaster
5 sword jump primaris
5 veteran intercessors
5 primaris scouts with grenade launchers
1 heavy offroad atv
1 shrike prime
3 shrikes
8 termagants with fleshborer
8 termagants with harpoon
6 melee gargoyles
dreadnought sized trygon
Mosque style low tech buildings, reinforced with scifi tech and walls, improvised and rugged look, some destroyed old columns and centerpiece angel statue, plastic token set
- Complete reset of the rules, though stil D6-based
- Index exists and is called 'Warhosts'
- Faster rolling, less re-rolls, unit activations less bound by turn structure
- Turn structure and surrounding elements ported from AoS, no double turn
- You only fight on your turn
- Stat ranges limited to D6 rolls
- Initiative is back, To-Wound-roll is gone
- Morale is completely changed
- Stratagems have be bound to units
- Armour has numerical value and specific attributes against attacks
In later posts he added
- High enough Initiative allows to interrupt enemies fighting
- Starter box contains no Terminators
- Starter box is called 'Vigil of Blood' and will be previewed much earlier than 10th edition rules, may be as early as end of march.
- Tournament rules are a '4th way to play', not a separate game alltogether
- Tournament rules a more standardized form of current GT rules
- Matched play as default way of play
- More support for smaller games
- Narrative play still there
- Open play basically gone, with assets moved to narrative play
- Codex content will have FAQs on day one, everything else is removed: Legends, White Dwarf supplements etc. will no longer be supported
- Generic Warlord traits, stratagems and relics that all factions have access to
- Indexes on launch, all stratagems, traits and relics will be greatly condensed or removed
- Subfactions gone, replaced with traits
- Turret rule is generic for all armies
- Objective secure is gone, securing objectives now works by counting wounds in the vicinity, with bonus for troops
- Psychic powers greatly reduced
- Playtest material only included Marines, Tyranids and Indexes.
- AoO is not about the Lion, but poster won't say what it is about. - Poster claim access to a box called Strangleweb with a new Warhammer 40k Logo and full of Blood Angels content
- Box has a booklet, two paints and Tyranids as well as Blood Angels
- Tyranid Pheragaunts: Gargoyle-type, two wings, four claws, look 'amphibious' as well as insectoid
- Blood Angel Intervenators: Jump troops with Eviscerators
- Booklet mentions: Captain Lucael, Indomitus Elite Velani, Tyranid Shrikes, Termagants w/ Spike Rifles, Termagants w/ Fleshborers, Scout Squad Sempre - Termagants look similar to Pheragaunts, longer head plates, tubes connecting throat to weapons
- Unit stat block looks a lot like the AoS unit profile: two dials with values for Move, Initiative and Morale - Evade, Save and Wounds
- Some stats are just symbols, units have keywords like 'Sturdy' or 'Light'
- Original post contains more descriptions, weapon profiles etc., please read it up at your convenience: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377648-blood-angels-box-set/
In a further post the poster said that he did not take any pictures and is not in physical possession of the book and the box, and he wants to avoid GW's ire.
In another post, Valrak chimed in and called all of this fake. The original poster in turn said that the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series will be centered on the Sanguinor.
- Lion will have 4 head options, including a full helmet, a bare face, a 'cult' version with hood and one with an open visor/semi-covered face
- Equipped with a sword, possibly the Lion Sword, and a shield
- Restates again the theory about the Lion already being returned and active in secret, the chamber on the rock is empty
- Says new models, but not the Lion, will be revealed on Warhammer World Open Day, bigger things will be shown at Adepticon
- Among them: Snikrot, Dante, Farsight, probably main teaser for the Lion
02/25/2023 'Some random Rumours for Killteam and more'
- Apparently a combat/boarding patrol box for Imperial Agents is on the way, including an Eversor assassin, Rogue Trader + retinue and Navis breachers
- Codex: Imperial Agents probably coming in 10th
- Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake; wants to check with sources he trusts, video to come probably next week
- Primaris Chapter Command box is in the works, contents unclear according to sources he trusts - Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with possibly chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites - Beastmen are coming for Kill Team and getting 'lots of love' - could also be in the 'Ashes of Faith' box instead of Dark Commune, not clear yet
- Warhammer World open day will reveal Farsight, the 4th AoO book, possibly some of the stuff above
02/26/2023 'The one with the wayward pdf'
Spoiler:
RoyRobHobGob appears once again, this time giving us a .pdf of many pages with what appears to be a chatlog with somebody with insight into 10th - and possibly evidence of not quite legal activity.
- Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
- Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
- Bulky, more action poses
- 'Incinerators' new flame squad, like Black Templar Pyreblaster
- New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
- New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier"
- This one for range, Redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
- No jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
- Generic ultramarines paint scheme - Still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks
Thanks again to Matrindur for pointing it out and basically writing the summary for me!
- ClockWorkChris (leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says it may be based on real info, but not as extreme. Differences may be due to machine translation
- Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks.
- Says that 'something like Indexes' was coming, but does not want to use the term 'Index' as it is too loaded; implies 10th 'Index' will not be the same as at start of 8th edition
03/04/2023 'I did it thirty-five minutes ago'
Spoiler:
For those interested in the leaked document, i took the trouble to boil the ~1500 lines of text down to a more readable 150, removing a lot of convoluted examples, off-topic waffling and stuff that is likely to change anyway or of little relevance like the naming conventions for matched play and such. I also rearranged some things to make for more coherent reading.
Valrak got more info on Tyranids in the 10th starter box - note that Valrak mixes general stuff with box-specific content:
- 'Two to three new types of Gaunts' he does not know the name of
- New Hormagaunts
- Vemon Crawler type unit in the vein of a 'Brainbug'
- New Screamer Killer Carnifex.
- New Lictors
- Winged Warrior; unclear if it's multiple or singular, so possibly the HQ opposite the captain
- New Biovores
- Plastic Spore Mines, have a 'chunkier' version
- Norn Emissary beefed up Zoanthrope
- After the box, Tyranids get 'a full range refresh'
- New Genestealers later on, possibly in another boxed set, possibly Space Hulk or Space Hulk themed Kill Team box w/ new Terminators
- claims he never said that the starter box will be Tyranids vs. Blood Angels
- says the whole BA rumour came from a reddit post and he only commented on it
- stuff from his sources said that it was Ultramarines vs Tyranids/Leviathan and the box is called Leviathan
- says there have been rumours for a Space Hulk box set, and we will probably get it, but 'this is not it' because Blood Angels are 'iconic' with Space Hulk
- speculates that the Tyranid in the trailer/poster is probably a new warrior model
- he has heard that Dark Angels are going to get a range refresh, separate video on that coming soon
- further speculates about the fluff text about the western fringe meaning it relates to the 10th edition box set
- says 'whispers' have told him about new Blood Angel and Space Wolf boxsets
- again says that sources he trusts say that Dante is done
- speculates that Dante may be released in a boarding patrol or sth. like that
Outside of Valrak's video, rumourmonger korkin has checked with their sources, and now says the 50-page-leak is probably legit, but from a non-final version:
- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts - 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts - 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic - Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts - Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition
- Apparently stuff is hidden in the background of teaser images
- Mainly about the '1 week to go' Adepticon teaser image
- The left side is a Tyranid symbol, duh
- Valrak concludes from this that they'll show the 10th edition trailer at Adepticon
It feels to me like we're in the phase where we are probably just threading water before the upcoming official stuff
- Blood Angels and Dark Angels are getting significant new stuff, videos on that in the coming week
- Kill Team is getting a plastic Striking Scorpion versus Space Marine Scouts set.
- Seraphon range is dual use Lizardmen for TOW apparently
- The dude with the two knives in the trailer is actually a special character from the Starter Box
- Everything in the trailer will get a model
- New Space Marine Veterans unit with combi weapons
- Next week more BA and DA rumours
- Space Hulk rumours also next week
- Valrak himself will be on holiday, the videos are pre-recorded, so no livestreams etc.
- 10th edition will be 'another game' that is rebuilt 'from the ground up', i.e. a complete redesign instead of an evolution of 9th edition concepts
- 10th edition will come this year, and be an evolution of 9th edition rules
- The stratagem system will be pruned and greatly simplified, to a list of general stratagems and 1 army-specific stratagem per faction. Describes as similar to 30k reactions. -
- Both the original poster and a second user allude to 11th edition bringing more significant and sweeping stances still, citing GW's reaction speed as reason why 10th will only alleviate, but not solve all problems GW is aware of
02/02/2023
- Friends in the paper industry say that there will be a new partworks magazine for 10th edition may be coming / is in the planning stages
02/06/2023
- According to sources he trusts 10th edition will come with indexes for all armies
- From this he concludes that there will be some sort of 'reset', but says he has no ideas how large that reset will be
- He also concludes that the World Eater codex is 'designed according to 10th edition design paradigms'
- Sources he trusts mention June 24th as a release date for 10th edition, citing a lot staff training seminars right before that date
Other than that there are conflicting rumours from various sources that i''ll leave in the chronological summary for now because making their mutual contradictions intelligible is something i can't be arsed to do right now.
02/16/2023
- There's a convoluted system to roll out digital unit profiles for premade units via the App, the online store and Warhammer+, as well as by unlocks from QR codes in other products
- I can't be arsed to make any sense of this, please read the original Pastebin for yourself
- 10th edition will have a box called 'Vigil of Blood' for seasoned players and a 'series of mini starter boxes' that includes paints and tools for newcomers
- There will be 'Grand Tournament Packs' released every year
- The first GT pack is said to include 'mountains of terrain' and to be GW's most expensive box ever
- GT packs include digital materials, an 'extremely tight ruleset', scoresheets, clocks and digital support for scoring etc.
02/17/2023
- Complete reset of the rules, though stil D6-based
- Index exists and is called 'Warhosts'
- Faster rolling, less re-rolls, unit activations less bound by turn structure
- Turn structure and surrounding elements ported from AoS, no double turn
- You only fight on your turn
- Stat ranges limited to D6 rolls
- Initiative is back, To-Wound-roll is gone
- Morale is completely changed
- Stratagems have be bound to units
- Armour has numerical value and specific attributes against attacks
02/20/2023
- Tournament rules are a '4th way to play', not a separate game alltogether
- Tournament rules a more standardized form of current GT rules
- Matched play as default way of play
- More support for smaller games
- Narrative play still there
- Open play basically gone, with assets moved to narrative play
- Codex content will have FAQs on day one, everything else is removed: Legends, White Dwarf supplements etc. will no longer be supported
02/21/2023
- Generic Warlord traits, stratagems and relics that all factions have access to
- Indexes on launch, all stratagems, traits and relics will be greatly condensed or removed
- Subfactions gone, replaced with traits
- Turret rule is generic for all armies
- Objective secure is gone, securing objectives now works by counting wounds in the vicinity, with bonus for troops
- Psychic powers greatly reduced
- Playtest material only included Marines, Tyranids and Indexes.
02/21/2023 II
- Unit stat block looks a lot like the AoS unit profile: two dials with values for Move, Initiative and Morale - Evade, Save and Wounds
- Some stats are just symbols, units have keywords like 'Sturdy' or 'Light'
- Original post contains more descriptions, weapon profiles etc., please read it up at your convenience: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377648-blood-angels-box-set/
- ClockWorkChris (leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says it may be based on real info, but not as extreme. Differences may be due to machine translation
- Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks.
- Says that 'something like Indexes' was coming, but does not want to use the term 'Index' as it is too loaded; implies 10th 'Index' will not be the same as at start of 8th edition
Starter box rumours:
Spoiler:
01/19/2023
- 10th edition set contains Marines vs. Tyranids; this rumour has been bandied about for some time
- New, non-primaris Terminators that are part of the 10th edition box
- New Genestealers also in the box
02/09/2023 'The 4chan rumours'
New Starter Box is called Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, Power Sword, Bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (Two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, Bolter Gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (Primaris Scouts, Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris, Shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
02/15/2023
- New Librarian and Terminators in 10th starter
02/16/2023
- 10th edition will have a box called 'Vigil of Blood' for seasoned players and a 'series of mini starter boxes' that includes paints and tools for newcomers
- There will be 'Grand Tournament Packs' released every year
- The first GT pack is said to include 'mountains of terrain' and to be GW's most expensive box ever
- GT packs include digital materials, an 'extremely tight ruleset', scoresheets, clocks and digital support for scoring etc.
- Starter box contents as per this rumour:
1 winged jump primaris captain
1 apothecari toxinmaster
5 sword jump primaris
5 veteran intercessors
5 primaris scouts with grenade launchers
1 heavy offroad atv
1 shrike prime
3 shrikes
8 termagants with fleshborer
8 termagants with harpoon
6 melee gargoyles
dreadnought sized trygon
Mosque style low tech buildings, reinforced with scifi tech and walls, improvised and rugged look, some destroyed old columns and centerpiece angel statue, plastic token set
02/17/2023
- Starter box contains no Terminators
- Starter box is called 'Vigil of Blood' and will be previewed much earlier than 10th edition rules, may be as early as end of march.
02/21/2023
- Poster claim access to a box called Strangleweb with a new Warhammer 40k Logo and full of Blood Angels content
- Box has a booklet, two paints and Tyranids as well as Blood Angels
- Tyranid Pheragaunts: Gargoyle-type, two wings, four claws, look 'amphibious' as well as insectoid
- Blood Angel Intervenators: Jump troops with Eviscerators
- Booklet mentions: Captain Lucael, Indomitus Elite Velani, Tyranid Shrikes, Termagants w/ Spike Rifles, Termagants w/ Fleshborers, Scout Squad Sempre
- Termagants look similar to Pheragaunts, longer head plates, tubes connecting throat to weapons
- Unit stat block looks a lot like the AoS unit profile: two dials with values for Move, Initiative and Morale - Evade, Save and Wounds
- Some stats are just symbols, units have keywords like 'Sturdy' or 'Light'
- Original post contains more descriptions, weapon profiles etc., please read it up at your convenience: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377648-blood-angels-box-set/
02/28/2023
- Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
- Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
- Bulky, more action poses
- 'Incinerators' new flame squad, like Black Templar Pyreblaster
- New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
- New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier"
- This one for range, Redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
- No jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
- Generic ultramarines paint scheme
- Still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks
Space Marine rumours:
Spoiler:
01/19/2023
- New, non-primaris Terminators that are part of the 10th edition box
01/25/2023
- Space Marine chapter supplements that were planned for the end of 9th edition have been postponed due to the enormity of the changes, and will instead be released in 10th edition
- Among the chapters mentioned are Iron Hands and White Scars
- In 10th edition, the separation between Primaris and Firstborn will be removed, including the keywords - Thus, 'Space Marines' of all generations will be one faction, removing restrictions on using certain transports etc. on the tabletop, even if the separation remains in the background
02/09/2023 'The 4chan rumours'
New Starter Box is called Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, Power Sword, Bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (Two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, Bolter Gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (Primaris Scouts, Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris, Shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called 'Overlord Dropship', think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New 'Veteran'; unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
Valrak now calls out these rumours as trolling and says he does not corroborate them
- Says 'names sound ridiculous' for the marine side
- Calls Tyranid stuff out as 'echo chamber' stuff
- Also calls out the Overlord Drosphip especially as made-up because evidence in novels describes them as much larger than Thunderhawks
- Doubles down and says that he doesn't believe anything in these rumours that was not taken from his videos in the first place
02/15/2023
- Dark Angels will get some sort of bodyguard unit to go wit Lion'El Johnson called the Lionguard according to trusted sources
- Blood Angels: Dante is done and shall be revealed soon
- Speculation about redone Sanguinary Guard
- Still doubling down 100% on SM vs. Tyranids in 10th box set
- Space Wolves: only speculation
- Grey Knights: no rumours
- Other chapters : Cato Sicarius as a focal character in 10th
- Speculation about a new Lysander in new Terminator armour
- Unspecified chapter-specific supplements originally scheduled for 9th will appear in 10th
- New Models in general:
- New Librarian and Terminators in 10th starter
- New Jump Assault Marines are done and will release soon, their models informed the videogame Space Marine II
- Again mentions allowing classic marine transports to transport Primaris in 10th
- 'Maybe' a new Space Marine flyer, but not the Overlord
02/16/2023
- Codexes for Space Marines, Tyranids, Orks and Demons are in playtesting
- Supplements for Blood Angels, Space Wolves and White Scars are in playtesting
- Starter box contents as per this rumour:
1 winged jump primaris captain
1 apothecari toxinmaster
5 sword jump primaris
5 veteran intercessors
5 primaris scouts with grenade launchers
1 heavy offroad atv
02/17/2023
- Starter Box contains no terminators
02/21/2023
- Poster claim access to a box called Strangleweb with a new Warhammer 40k Logo and full of Blood Angels content
- Box has a booklet, two paints and Tyranids as well as Blood Angels
- Tyranid Pheragaunts: Gargoyle-type, two wings, four claws, look 'amphibious' as well as insectoid
- Blood Angel Intervenators: Jump troops with Eviscerators
- Booklet mentions: Captain Lucael, Indomitus Elite Velani, Tyranid Shrikes, Termagants w/ Spike Rifles, Termagants w/ Fleshborers, Scout Squad Sempre
02/23/2023
- Lion will have 4 head options, including a full helmet, a bare face, a 'cult' version with hood and one with an open visor/semi-covered face
- Equipped with a sword, possibly the Lion Sword, and a shield
- Restates again the theory about the Lion already being returned and active in secret, the chamber on the rock is empty
02/25/2023
- Apparently a combat/boarding patrol box for Imperial Agents is on the way, including an Eversor assassin, Rogue Trader + retinue and Navis breachers
- Codex: Imperial Agents probably coming in 10th
- Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake; wants to check with sources he trusts, video to come probably next week
- Primaris Chapter Command box is in the works, contents unclear according to sources he trusts
02/26/2023
- 'Primaris Rupture Squad' with Warp Shunt modules got mentioned in the leaked giant pdf
02/28/2023
- Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
- Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
- Bulky, more action poses
- 'Incinerators' new flame squad, like Black Templar Pyreblaster
- New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
- New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier"
- This one for range, Redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
- No jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
- Generic ultramarines paint scheme
- Still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks
Tyranid rumours
Spoiler:
01/19/2023
- Tyranid Biovore/Pyrovore kit
- Tyranid Lictor kit
- 10th edition set contains Marines vs. Tyranids; this rumour has been bandied about for some time
- New Genestealers also in the box
02/02/2023
- Tyranids will get the same range refresh Necrons got - Sources he trusts say: Lictors, something called a 'norn emissary bad gaunt' or something like that, neither i nor the youtube subtitle system seem to be able to make out what he tries to say , Lictor Prime, Lictor Alpha or possibly Lector Prime / Lector Alpha - i'm not able to make out if he means Lictor and mispronounces or if he really means Lector.
02/07/2023
- Tyranid players will receive a new model called an Apex Swarmlord
02/0/2023 'The 4chan rumours'
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-Three new big monster kits (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
b]Valrak[/b] now calls out these rumours as trolling and says he does not corroborate them
- Says 'names sound ridiculous' for the marine side
- Calls Tyranid stuff out as 'echo chamber' stuff
- Also calls out the Overlord Drosphip especially as made-up because evidence in novels describes them as much larger than Thunderhawks
- Doubles down and says that he doesn't believe anything in these rumours that was not taken from his videos in the first place
02/16/2023
- Starter box contents as per this rumour:
1 shrike prime
3 shrikes
8 termagants with fleshborer
8 termagants with harpoon
6 melee gargoyles
dreadnought sized trygon
02/21/2023
- Poster claim access to a box called Strangleweb with a new Warhammer 40k Logo and full of Blood Angels content
- Box has a booklet, two paints and Tyranids as well as Blood Angels
- Tyranid Pheragaunts: Gargoyle-type, two wings, four claws, look 'amphibious' as well as insectoid
- Booklet mentions: Captain Lucael, Indomitus Elite Velani, Tyranid Shrikes, Termagants w/ Spike Rifles, Termagants w/ Fleshborers, Scout Squad Sempre
- Termagants look similar to Pheragaunts, longer head plates, tubes connecting throat to weapons
- Original post contains more descriptions, weapon profiles etc., please read it up at your convenience: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377648-blood-angels-box-set/
03/08/2023
Valrak got more info on Tyranids in the 10th starter box - note that Valrak mixes general stuff with box-specific content:
- 'Two to three new types of Gaunts' he does not know the name of
- New Hormagaunts
- Vemon Crawler type unit in the vein of a 'Brainbug'
- New Screamer Killer Carnifex.
- New Lictors
- Winged Warrior; unclear if it's multiple or singular, so possibly the HQ opposite the captain
- New Biovores
- Plastic Spore Mines, have a 'chunkier' version
- Norn Emissary beefed up Zoanthrope
- After the box, Tyranids get 'a full range refresh'
- New Genestealers later on, possibly in another boxed set, possibly Space Hulk or Space Hulk themed Kill Team box w/ new Terminators
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2023/01/19 08:56:44
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Why the heck would there be new Firstborn, unless this is a historic box set, and why would a historic set with a plot that isn't relevant to the current setting and models that aren't relevant to the current setting be the starter for a new edition?
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2023/01/19 09:07:08
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
lord_blackfang wrote: Why the heck would there be new Firstborn, unless this is a historic box set, and why would a historic set with a plot that isn't relevant to the current setting and models that aren't relevant to the current setting be the starter for a new edition?
That makes me doubt that rumour too...unless the box is some reincarnation of Space Hulk for 40th anniversary.
2023/01/19 09:12:52
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
This feels like a complete list of things that you would want to see but time and again doesn't happen. And mostly just because GW refuses to make those models for some weird reason, not because the models don't need an update or wouldn't sell.
lord_blackfang wrote: Why the heck would there be new Firstborn, unless this is a historic box set, and why would a historic set with a plot that isn't relevant to the current setting and models that aren't relevant to the current setting be the starter for a new edition?
The only reason for new Terminator models for real Marines I can think of that's halfway plausible is that Dark Angels actually get their Primarch and with them as the poster boys next edition, GW wants to provide modern models for Deathwing which, as I understand it, is still largely free of Primaris?
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2023/01/19 09:16:49
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Deathwing Terminators are quite new though- they have 6th or 7th edition kit. So do Blood Angels. The basic kit is much older, I want to say 4th edition? Maybe 3rd.
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2023/01/19 09:26:12
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Haighus wrote: Deathwing Terminators are quite new though- they have 6th or 7th edition kit. So do Blood Angels. The basic kit is much older, I want to say 4th edition? Maybe 3rd.
4th ed for the basic plastic Terminators. And yes, the Deathwing kit is fairly new, but it's in the style of the earlier Terminators. The one thing Terminators need more than anything is a fix to their anatomy which is something present day GW might actually be interested in. New Cadians, Traitor Guard and all that, redone Chaos Marines (let's not talk about their Terminators, though...). Marines have moved on from pre-Primaris times, and not just them. I'd consider that reason enough for a redo.
Plus, it's loyalist Marines. If the kit is ten years old, it's made GW plenty of money and there's no harm in replacing it.
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2023/01/19 09:26:18
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Or they've realised they can fit a primaris marine inside terminator armour if they stretch the joints a little? At some point we all know there will be a consolidation/flattening of the curve.
2023/01/19 09:40:50
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Dudeface wrote: Or they've realised they can fit a primaris marine inside terminator armour if they stretch the joints a little? At some point we all know there will be a consolidation/flattening of the curve.
As a fan of Terminators I just hope that the sculptors do what they no doubt did before and just make the models (provided the end up looking good, of course) and not even bother to think up any pretext. Let the fluff writers sort out how to deal with that. Which, I'm sure, is going to be messy after the Primaris fluff for upscaled Marines in new marks of armor they came up with. But like I said, for once I'm just hoping that GW does what they always do, let the sculptors do their thing and not worry about what the rules and fluff writers think.
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2023/01/19 09:41:17
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.
Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...
xttz wrote: While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.
Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...
If they don't want terminators to look ridiculous they'll need to redesign the legs and shoulder area anyway. Given that some thought the new Azrael was "firstborn" I don't put much stock in eye witnesses descerning the status of new marine minis. It should be noted that Jes Goodwin himself said they made the heads and shoulder pads of primaris the same size as before in order to mix and match parts. Primaris wearing some form of TDA would be in line with this.
2023/01/19 11:15:16
Subject: Re:10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
RazorEdge wrote: Why should they bring new Terminators for the Older Marines instead for the Primaris.
Just make the fluff reflect that primaris can fit in terminator armour and both types of marine can use it, one kit = whatever narrative you want.
Would that even work for GW? In this scenario I imagine the kit has to come with different arms so the Primaris version doesn't use stormbolters. So mundane a bolt weapon that its profile is shared with other units? Yuck!
And you'll have two different datasheets where the Firstborn have weapon options and can ride a Land Raider and the Primaris versions don't and can't.
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2023/01/19 11:16:01
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Terminators are an iconic part of Space Marines and 40k in general. I very much doubt GW would throw that particular baby out with the bathwater, so will likely keep their aesthetics with "And now Primaris work with them because we say so!".
More iconic than mk 7 or mk 6 before it? More iconic than their 40 year old fantasy setting? They've already redesigned terminator armour twice with the Heresy and it was fine. Doubtless the reaction would be different if it were Primaris.
2023/01/19 11:26:35
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Haighus wrote: Deathwing Terminators are quite new though- they have 6th or 7th edition kit. So do Blood Angels. The basic kit is much older, I want to say 4th edition? Maybe 3rd.
4th ed for the basic plastic Terminators. And yes, the Deathwing kit is fairly new, but it's in the style of the earlier Terminators. The one thing Terminators need more than anything is a fix to their anatomy which is something present day GW might actually be interested in. New Cadians, Traitor Guard and all that, redone Chaos Marines (let's not talk about their Terminators, though...). Marines have moved on from pre-Primaris times, and not just them. I'd consider that reason enough for a redo.
Plus, it's loyalist Marines. If the kit is ten years old, it's made GW plenty of money and there's no harm in replacing it.
I was very disappointed in the new Chaos Terminators. They had a chance to make them look a lot more interesting, like the Legionnaires, especially since I think they nailed it with Abaddon. Here's hoping that there's a new kit with realistic proportions.
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2023/01/19 11:48:03
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
Biovores, pyrovores and lictors/deathleaper in new plastics have been on the cards for what feels like forever. I was actually surprised we got the Parasite instead of one of those two options.
GW seem to have this strange view of updating everything to plastic and then just leaving a tiny handful of models in finecast in each model range.
It's doubly confusing considering that Tyranids haven't had a slot for years - which isn't a bad thing all told as they got some big updates and are generally in a good spot, its just a thorn in the side that those kits havn't been updated.
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2023/01/19 11:52:17
Subject: Re:10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
RazorEdge wrote: Why should they bring new Terminators for the Older Marines instead for the Primaris.
Just make the fluff reflect that primaris can fit in terminator armour and both types of marine can use it, one kit = whatever narrative you want.
Kind of hard to make armour that fits head taller and shorter guys at the same time without even affecting height of armour
Keep the backplate and arms the same, and have a pair of frontplates- a traditional terminator styled one, and a primaris version which includes a bit of spacer at the bottom to extend the torso slightly from the hips, making it taller. Then different helmet designs- classic vs gravis styled.
2023/01/19 11:59:56
Subject: Re:10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
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2023/01/19 12:06:47
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
New terminators?
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2023/01/19 12:19:13
Subject: Re:10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
lord_blackfang wrote: Why the heck would there be new Firstborn, unless this is a historic box set, and why would a historic set with a plot that isn't relevant to the current setting and models that aren't relevant to the current setting be the starter for a new edition?
I don't think they mean they will be firstborn, fluff wise. They will almost certainly be Primaris marines wearing Tactical Dreadnaught Armour, just bigger. I think it just means that the armour will resemble traditional TDA, rather than being a redesign that would probably be Mark X with a bit more shoulderpad and neckbracing bolted on.
I think it's fairly clear from Vashtorr that Valrak's source sees the models but doesn't necessarily get to see the design studio's fluff. They might be a photographer or graphic designer etc.
Really I am just taking from this that there will be new, bigger Terminators, and they will still look like Terminators rather than any kind of fundamental reimagining.
2023/01/19 13:25:06
Subject: 10th edition box set, Tyranid and Terminator rumour
lord_blackfang wrote: Why the heck would there be new Firstborn, unless this is a historic box set, and why would a historic set with a plot that isn't relevant to the current setting and models that aren't relevant to the current setting be the starter for a new edition?
I don't think they mean they will be firstborn, fluff wise. They will almost certainly be Primaris marines wearing Tactical Dreadnaught Armour, just bigger. I think it just means that the armour will resemble traditional TDA, rather than being a redesign that would probably be Mark X with a bit more shoulderpad and neckbracing bolted on.
I think it's fairly clear from Vashtorr that Valrak's source sees the models but doesn't necessarily get to see the design studio's fluff. They might be a photographer or graphic designer etc.
Really I am just taking from this that there will be new, bigger Terminators, and they will still look like Terminators rather than any kind of fundamental reimagining.
Best case is they just rescale the 'classic' look, make up some fluff about how the genius of Cawl solved the problem of Primaris in Termi armor, throw some modern-era weapons like Neo-Volkites and Combi-Gravs in the mix, add another alternative to the Cyclone like maybe a force field or whatever, raise the price and call it a day
