10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**JSG**

Corax isn't a deamon he just unlocked more of his innate psychic abilities during his stint in the warp.

**The Phazer**

Interestingly what happened to Corax has an entire page at the end of the First Founding book that came out at the weekend, and puts a bit of a different spin on it...

**Kanluwen**

The Phazer wrote:
Interestingly what happened to Corax has an entire page at the end of the First Founding book that came out at the weekend, and puts a bit of a different spin on it...

Do tell!

**drbored**

The Phazer wrote:
Interestingly what happened to Corax has an entire page at the end of the First Founding book that came out at the weekend, and puts a bit of a different spin on it...

Definitely want to know as well please

Corax is one of my fave primarchs and the whole lore of him being this shadow daemon hunting Lorgar is fantastic.

There's also the lore of him creating monstrosities in trying to bulk up his legion numbers but having to put them down in the end. There's great nuggets there, but GW doesn't shine a lot of light on the sneaky boys.

Similarly to Night Lords in that regard...

**The Phazer**

Well

Spoiler:

First Founding is fantastic if you still have a chance to pick it up by the way. Best lore book GW have done for ages.

**drbored**

ty ty. Interesting stuff.

Would be a LITTLE disappointed if, when it's finally time for Corax to get a model some 20 years from now, GW just go 'he was in stasis all along and now he's awake' instead of the possible shadow-entity lore and modeling opportunities.

**NinthMusketeer**

Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

I certainly am.

**tneva82**

JSG wrote:
Corax isn't a deamon he just unlocked more of his innate psychic abilities during his stint in the warp.

Maybe not daemon but all primarch are basically warp powered beings.

**Beast_of_Guanyin**

Dawnbringer wrote:
Beast_of_Guanyin wrote:
Dawnbringer wrote:
. I'm willing to stick my head out and say Fulgrim is coming eventually, and if the Lion does actually return I'd bet on Russ as well as Spacewolves are one of the 'own codex' chapters.

I'm sorry, but isn't this obvious?

And here I thought Brits were renowned for their sarcasm...

Beast_of_Guanyin wrote:

By now it's obvious, to me at least, that they're going to be introducing a lot of the Primarchs into 40k. They've been doing it for a long time already. I've got a bare bones knowledge of the lore, but I would suggest we'll eventually have even numbers of Chaos/Non Chaos Primarchs. People love Space Marines and they love centre pieces for their armies. I'd guess 5 each side for 10 total.

I mean, until Guilliman showed up (though that was almost six years ago now, man I'm getting old) the lore on the Primarchs hinted that some could return but it was never acted on (For loyalists; the Chaos ones have showed up in lore to be banished from time to time, see 1st War for Armageddon).

I'd be surprised if we get more than the big Four Chaos ones (though perhaps you can count Abbadon as a fifth). As someone else stated they don't really seem to know how to do Chaos undivided very well.

For the loyalists I just suspect it'll be the big four, the three that get own codexs, plus Ultras. That said I do think it's more about big centre piece models to sell than lore, so I'd suspect something for Black Templars (who never had Primarch, being an offshoot of Imperial Fists, but who do tend to get thier own Codex) before say Khan coming back, noting they haven't yet even bothered put their special character onto a bike yet.

Yeah. Something along those lines would be my expectation.

Before Big-G showed up it wasn't obvious, I'm just saying by now it would be surprising not to get them.

**ZergSmasher**

I'll be pretty salty if we get Russ instead of Lion, since I recently sold my Wolves.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?
I certainly am.

Guns on guns on guns but chaos.

**TwilightSparkles**

The Lion makes the most sense , he can effectively blackmail Gulliman with his knowledge of Imperium Secundus.

I’m still super sceptical that Tyranids are in the 10th set because rumours about new editions often end up being wrong. Even if Valrak has a source in GW HQ then it’s lowly they give false information as of GW discovers they’ve been doing it they lose their job. What’s the motivation of his source ??

**Tsagualsa**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
What’s the motivation of his source ??

People are really, really, really bad at keeping secrets. There is not much more to it, tell someone a secret and the literal moment you turn your back to them they'll sprint out of the room to tell it to the maximum number of people available in the vicinity. Many people rationalize it after the fact in some fashion, but the truth of it is that knowing and telling other people's secrets just feels good, man. Add to that that most people are about as dumb as box of rocks outside of a very narrow corridor of expertise, and last thought-through the consequences of their actions some time in 1986, and presto, there's your leaker.

**Shadow Walker**

Could not care less about the motivations of the leaker as long as the info is real.

**tneva82**

Well wait for couple months to find out then.,

**Fayric**

They should just do a multipart(multioptional?) Primarch kit for the loyalists. 3 or 4 different but noncomittal breastplates to chose from. A handfull of weapons, a couple of helmets, and screaming bald guy/stern crewcut/snarling mohawk heads.

Tactical rock base with dead chaos marines included.

Im only half joking here

**Tsagualsa**

Fayric wrote:
They should just do a multipart(multioptional?) Primarch kit for the loyalists. 3 or 4 different but noncomittal breastplates to chose from. A handfull of weapons, a couple of helmets, and screaming bald guy/stern crewcut/snarling mohawk heads.

Tactical rock base with dead chaos marines included.

Im only half joking here

Eh, with many of their writers coming from comic books and being deeply immersed in the relevant genre conventions, i'll bet we'll sooner or later see:

- False Primarchs / Primarch Imposters
- Clone Primarchs
- Redeemed 'Evil' Primarchs
- Fallen 'Good' Primarchs
- Alternate Universe Primarchs
- Hidden Secret Primarchs

and so on, on the tabletop. Most of the above already exist or are hinted at in the novels.

**JSG**

We've had half of those already.

**BomBomHotdog**

Tsagualsa wrote:
[being deeply immersed in the relevant genre conventions, i'll bet we'll sooner or later see:

- False Primarchs / Primarch Imposters
- Clone Primarchs
- Redeemed 'Evil' Primarchs
- Fallen 'Good' Primarchs
- Alternate Universe Primarchs
- Hidden Secret Primarchs

-Alpharius
-Horus (Alpharius)
-Alpharius
-Alpharius
-Alpharius
-Omegon

**Tsagualsa**

BomBomHotdog wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
[being deeply immersed in the relevant genre conventions, i'll bet we'll sooner or later see:

- False Primarchs / Primarch Imposters
- Clone Primarchs
- Redeemed 'Evil' Primarchs
- Fallen 'Good' Primarchs
- Alternate Universe Primarchs
- Hidden Secret Primarchs

-Alpharius
-Horus (Alpharius)
-Alpharius
-Alpharius
-Alpharius
-Omegon

- False Primarchs / Primarch Imposters - Literally 'The War of the False Primarch', also: Alpharius
- Clone Primarchs - Fulgrim, Ferrus
- Redeemed 'Evil' Primarchs - Clonegrim, also Parts of Magnus
- Fallen 'Good' Primarchs - Parts of Ferrus/Sapphire King
- Alternate Universe Primarchs - Possibly Horus after his trip to Molech with the Emperor
- Hidden Secret Primarchs - The missing two of course, also the 3rd Alpharius/Omegon brother that was planned for some time, but then decided against

And that is just a handful of blatant examples, there could be more.

We also have at least 7 Primarchs that are functionally immortal, 6 Traitors and 1 Loyalist, 2 that are not, but got resurrected from literal death anyway, one additional that got resurrected from quasi-death, another two that have weird phantoms or revenants...

**Tsagualsa**

For those keeping tabs on stuff like this, Spicey Clickbait has 'found' the document that got shown in this very thread, apparently by a slight detour over the spanish blog Miniwars. Needless to say, they're hyping the 'leaks' up without a shred of critical thinking

Other than that, not much is happening at the moment, but rest assured that i'm regularly checking all the usual outlets and this thread. We all can look forward to another Tarot Card today and more reveals tomorrow, which is probably also part of the reason why some of the more 'creative' rumourmongers hedge their bets for now.

**xttz**

Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

**Tsagualsa**

xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

Thanks, will add to OP presto.

**Gir Spirit Bane**

Voss wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
Voss wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

No, not really - he's not very interesting.

I'd rank him above Lorgar, but that's not saying much.

Yeah. Plus it would mean that GW would actually have to commit on the Undivided Chaos question.

Corax has a similar, but even more pronounced problem on the Imperium side. He exists, legion has some basic traits (sneaky boys!) that some players would know, but... that's about it.
The Raven Guard have been an 'also ran' Chapter ever since GW decided there were first founding chapters. That's a pretty forgettable base to build a primarch release on. At least with Perty, lots of people actually care about the legion he's attached to.

Contrarily, Corax being a giant loyalist daemon bird actually makes him the most interesting to bring back.

Even he's somehow a loyalist daemon now (which... ), what about that makes him interesting? How does he interact with imperial forces without immediately getting shot in the face?

Living Saints are basically daemon princes of the Emperor, they'll find a way.

**Tsagualsa**

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Living Saints are basically daemon princes of the Emperor, they'll find a way.

We do have non-chaotic warp creatures on the table that have the 'Daemon' keyword for practical reasons.

**Dudeface**

xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

This concerns me.

**NAVARRO**

Dudeface wrote:
xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

This concerns me.

Should be ok, so you get indexes for every force to start the new edition, then a faq that invalidates some bits of that and then dexes that invalidate index and index faq and finally a faq for the dex that invalidates dex...

**Gadzilla666**

Dudeface wrote:
xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

This concerns me.

Yup. Clockworkchris was (very unfortunately) on the money with their leaks on the CSM codex. So that mess could be real.

**Wayniac**

I think the crazy document could work if it was like... "Advantage" refers to a bonus and "Disadvantage" refers to a penalty. Think like "advantage to wound" meaning +1 to wound and Disadvantage to hit means -1 to hit. That sort of thing would be fine and just codify what the +/- stuff indicated.

**Tsagualsa**

Wayniac wrote:
I think the crazy document could work if it was like... "Advantage" refers to a bonus and "Disadvantage" refers to a penalty. Think like "advantage to wound" meaning +1 to wound and Disadvantage to hit means -1 to hit. That sort of thing would be fine and just codify what the +/- stuff indicated.

The document explains advantage/disadvantage and says it's a new mechanic:

Almost everything works on D6 rolls without rerolls and modifiers. but rolls can crit
and fail critically.
[scaramouche] so no more fate die? isnt i t a bit bland
though crit failure is a bad explanation. ‘half hit’ would be better. it is called glancing
Yes and no. there are rules for rerolls and +-1 modifiers, but they seem to be used
sparingly. I have only seen the Warhost rules and the Space Marines + Blood Angels
and Tyranids rules.
There is a completely new mechanic to modify dice, that is used now everywhere. a
player can have advantage on a roll, making a roll of 6 critical. if you have another
advantage, 5 and 6 are critical. if you have disadvantage on the roll, a 6 is a glancing
score

Source: the document

By the way, for those not interested in going to dubious sites to look for the pdf, i put all that stuff in a pastebin:

https://pastebin.com/ZXp8jZ4Q