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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

He seems to provide 3 levels now:

Level 1: "This has been floating about the internet" "This got sent in to me"

Level 2: "A source has told me"

Level 3: "This is coming from a source I absolutely trust"

The latest seems to be Level 2 - a real/named source, but not his insider at GW HQ specifically.



In terms of likeliness, it does fit in with the other rumour that the Primaris/First Born distinction was going away, and Terminator Captain, Terminator Librarian, 5-10 Terminators, 5-10 Incinerators, 10 Veteran Intercessors and a Redemptor Mortis Dreadnought would be the ballpark of a starter box.

Has anyone yet claimed to know the colour of the Tyranids in the forthcoming box? Are they going to remain their current white, or try something new? If there are Terminators in the box, they probably won't be Dark Angels to avoid too similar a colour scheme, and GW will probably want to have the opposing sides in contrasting colour schemes.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Has anyone yet claimed to know the colour of the Tyranids in the forthcoming box? Are they going to remain their current white, or try something new? If there are Terminators in the box, they probably won't be Dark Angels to avoid too similar a colour scheme, and GW will probably want to have the opposing sides in contrasting colour schemes.

Iirc some of the more detailled rumours said Leviathan scheme, but don't pin me down on it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

Will Corax return?

Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Has anyone yet claimed to know the colour of the Tyranids in the forthcoming box? Are they going to remain their current white, or try something new? If there are Terminators in the box, they probably won't be Dark Angels to avoid too similar a colour scheme, and GW will probably want to have the opposing sides in contrasting colour schemes.

Iirc some of the more detailled rumours said Leviathan scheme, but don't pin me down on it.

The warriors in the boarding patrol box are repainted stock models which is unusual with no context. So it seems the scheme will see a minor change based on the weapon colouration.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Yeah it makes me think of the pre AOS rumors. “Boxset comes with a thief, a rogue, a wizard. The new setting is a bunch of floating islands or bubbles .”

My favorite part about that era was everyone decrying bubble dimensions as the worst thing. Fun Fact: Teclis talks about alternate realities and dimensions in Giantslayer(written way back during the 6th ed Albion campaign) and literally describes them as bubble dimensions, so that was already something that existed in the Warhammer universe.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

Will Corax return?

Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

I forget the book, but post Guillamans return, a rune priest v did a ritual to see if Russ was coming back. He saw:
A raven, a sleeping knight, and a white lightning bolt. But no Russ

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

Will Corax return?

Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

I do believe that Corax will come back as a plastic model for 40k.

This will not be soon. It will be something like 15-20 years from now. The average pace seems to be about 2 years per primarch, either chaos or loyalist, with some longer stretches between them and some less so.

Eventually, in order to keep hype going for their main 'good guy' and main 'bad guy' in the world, they will bring them all back in some way or another. Obviously Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Curze will be a bit different, but I absolutely see them bringing back Perturabo, Lorgar, Corax, Vulkan, Russ, Dorn, etc. This is simply the path that GW have chosen, and as long as people are buying the primarchs (along with the armies they come with) then it makes no sense for them to stop.

That latest set of rumors sounds bland enough to probably be the truth, compared to the other nonsense floating around.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

Will Corax return?

Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

I forget the book, but post Guillamans return, a rune priest v did a ritual to see if Russ was coming back. He saw:
A raven, a sleeping knight, and a white lightning bolt. But no Russ

Magnus said he knows where Russ is (in Wrath of Magnus iirc) and he (Russ) seems to have some connection to Valdor, who's seemingly getting expanded on in the Abnettverse, so it seems they have something planned for Russ.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Even more story potential from Corax coming back.

Will Corax return?

Quoth the Raven: "Nevermore".

I forget the book, but post Guillamans return, a rune priest v did a ritual to see if Russ was coming back. He saw:
A raven, a sleeping knight, and a white lightning bolt. But no Russ

Ashes of Prospero. He seems those Primarchs because they're the ones we have an answer for regarding their whereabouts or have been indicated to still be alive, it's not suggesting anything about them actually coming back.

If you go back several years, the inimitable Hastings' prediction on primarchs for 40K (while commenting on the plastic Ahriman sprue) was:

Looks good, I’m looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now

He nailed 4 out of the 5 so far. So I expect Russ is coming. And it goes to show you how far in advance some of this stuff is planned.

Plans can change. Chaos Undead was once planned for Fantasy after all.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Plans can change. Chaos Undead was once planned for Fantasy after all.

Sure plans can change. Kinda interesting though that that he's been on target into 2023 with a post made back in 2016(?). Think it suggests things haven't deviated too much.

It probable helps that they are Imperials and Marines - so basically GW's strongest model block overall.

I'm sure there are AoS plans started 5 years ago that were abandoned or significantly changed for various reasons - same too for other games and other armies. Even without the Pandemic throwing everything out of order

 Overread wrote:
It probable helps that they are Imperials and Marines - so basically GW's strongest model block overall.

I'm sure there are AoS plans started 5 years ago that were abandoned or significantly changed for various reasons - same too for other games and other armies. Even without the Pandemic throwing everything out of order

With 'monumental' stuff like the Primarchs, it's probably not out of the question that they got designed closer together than their release schedule would indicate, just to have the models have a certain coherency in design. It could have been the models, or it could have been the general concept and art work, long before any actual models. Who knows, there could even be some sort of sketchbook in the vein of 'The Primarchs, as they are on the eve of the 41st millenium' with a bunch of finished concepts that get 'translated' to models piece by piece.

 gorgon wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Plans can change. Chaos Undead was once planned for Fantasy after all.

Sure plans can change. Kinda interesting though that that he's been on target into 2023 with a post made back in 2016(?). Think it suggests things haven't deviated too much.

I mean the order is ok and fairly impressive but it's not like the daemon primarchs of the chaos gods are hard to predict. He did follow it up iirc and explained he saw very early design material and that some of them had been scrapped and resculpted by the time he bowed out.

 gorgon wrote:
If you go back several years, the inimitable Hastings' prediction on primarchs for 40K (while commenting on the plastic Ahriman sprue) was:

Looks good, I’m looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now

He nailed 4 out of the 5 so far. So I expect Russ is coming. And it goes to show you how far in advance some of this stuff is planned.

I mean, three of those five are each related to the big four chaos gods, and a forth is the poster boy for the poster boys who was also known to be 'alive' it wasn't exactly a stretch. I'm willing to stick my head out and say Fulgrim is coming eventually, and if the Lion does actually return I'd bet on Russ as well as Spacewolves are one of the 'own codex' chapters.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
If you go back several years, the inimitable Hastings' prediction on primarchs for 40K (while commenting on the plastic Ahriman sprue) was:

Looks good, I’m looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now

He nailed 4 out of the 5 so far. So I expect Russ is coming. And it goes to show you how far in advance some of this stuff is planned.

I mean, three of those five are each related to the big four chaos gods, and a forth is the poster boy for the poster boys who was also known to be 'alive' it wasn't exactly a stretch. I'm willing to stick my head out and say Fulgrim is coming eventually, and if the Lion does actually return I'd bet on Russ as well as Spacewolves are one of the 'own codex' chapters.

Aye - the four god-specific Primarchs are a pretty safe bet, and if you're propositioning that loyal Primarchs would return it's very logical that they'd start with the chapters that have their own books, barring Sanguinius mostly because he's the deadest anyone besides Horus can currently be in the setting.

Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

Tsagualsa wrote:


Aye - the four god-specific Primarchs are a pretty safe bet, and if you're propositioning that loyal Primarchs would return it's very logical that they'd start with the chapters that have their own books, barring Sanguinius mostly because he's the deadest anyone besides Horus can currently be in the setting.

Thankfully they've been seeding the context for 'definitely not Sanguinius, we promise' supernatural manifestation that can serve the same purpose of selling large shiny models. Also has nice added touch of thematically fitting in smaller scale battles and how it can show up every second battle despite having been blasted off the board the one before.

But getting back to rumours, I wonder if one of the bits of confusion is just because of the number of boxsets GW puts out these days. Without context, a photo of boxset that is just one of their 'vs' boxsets could also look like a smaller new starter set (say command edition rather than Indomitus.) Back in the day there was really only the one starter set for an edition, but now I can definitely see them doing a series of limited run ones like they do with Kill-Team

 Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

No, not really - he's not very interesting.

I'd rank him above Lorgar, but that's not saying much.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

No, not really - he's not very interesting.

I'd rank him above Lorgar, but that's not saying much.

Yeah. Plus it would mean that GW would actually have to commit on the Undivided Chaos question.

Corax has a similar, but even more pronounced problem on the Imperium side. He exists, legion has some basic traits (sneaky boys!) that some players would know, but... that's about it.
The Raven Guard have been an 'also ran' Chapter ever since GW decided there were first founding chapters. That's a pretty forgettable base to build a primarch release on. At least with Perty, lots of people actually care about the legion he's attached to.

Not a rumour, but Purturabo and Vashtorr could end up an interesting mix.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
If you go back several years, the inimitable Hastings' prediction on primarchs for 40K (while commenting on the plastic Ahriman sprue) was:

Looks good, I’m looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now

He nailed 4 out of the 5 so far. So I expect Russ is coming. And it goes to show you how far in advance some of this stuff is planned.

I mean, three of those five are each related to the big four chaos gods, and a forth is the poster boy for the poster boys who was also known to be 'alive' it wasn't exactly a stretch. I'm willing to stick my head out and say Fulgrim is coming eventually, and if the Lion does actually return I'd bet on Russ as well as Spacewolves are one of the 'own codex' chapters.

I'm sorry, but isn't this obvious?

By now it's obvious, to me at least, that they're going to be introducing a lot of the Primarchs into 40k. They've been doing it for a long time already. I've got a bare bones knowledge of the lore, but I would suggest we'll eventually have even numbers of Chaos/Non Chaos Primarchs. People love Space Marines and they love centre pieces for their armies. I'd guess 5 each side for 10 total.

Voss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

No, not really - he's not very interesting.

I'd rank him above Lorgar, but that's not saying much.

Yeah. Plus it would mean that GW would actually have to commit on the Undivided Chaos question.

Corax has a similar, but even more pronounced problem on the Imperium side. He exists, legion has some basic traits (sneaky boys!) that some players would know, but... that's about it.
The Raven Guard have been an 'also ran' Chapter ever since GW decided there were first founding chapters. That's a pretty forgettable base to build a primarch release on. At least with Perty, lots of people actually care about the legion he's attached to.

Contrarily, Corax being a giant loyalist daemon bird actually makes him the most interesting to bring back.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Aren’t we all curious about a M41 version of Perturabo?

No, not really - he's not very interesting.

I'd rank him above Lorgar, but that's not saying much.

Yeah. Plus it would mean that GW would actually have to commit on the Undivided Chaos question.

Corax has a similar, but even more pronounced problem on the Imperium side. He exists, legion has some basic traits (sneaky boys!) that some players would know, but... that's about it.
The Raven Guard have been an 'also ran' Chapter ever since GW decided there were first founding chapters. That's a pretty forgettable base to build a primarch release on. At least with Perty, lots of people actually care about the legion he's attached to.

Contrarily, Corax being a giant loyalist daemon bird actually makes him the most interesting to bring back.

Even he's somehow a loyalist daemon now (which... ), what about that makes him interesting? How does he interact with imperial forces without immediately getting shot in the face?

Beast_of_Guanyin wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
. I'm willing to stick my head out and say Fulgrim is coming eventually, and if the Lion does actually return I'd bet on Russ as well as Spacewolves are one of the 'own codex' chapters.

I'm sorry, but isn't this obvious?

And here I thought Brits were renowned for their sarcasm...

Beast_of_Guanyin wrote:


By now it's obvious, to me at least, that they're going to be introducing a lot of the Primarchs into 40k. They've been doing it for a long time already. I've got a bare bones knowledge of the lore, but I would suggest we'll eventually have even numbers of Chaos/Non Chaos Primarchs. People love Space Marines and they love centre pieces for their armies. I'd guess 5 each side for 10 total.

I mean, until Guilliman showed up (though that was almost six years ago now, man I'm getting old) the lore on the Primarchs hinted that some could return but it was never acted on (For loyalists; the Chaos ones have showed up in lore to be banished from time to time, see 1st War for Armageddon).

I'd be surprised if we get more than the big Four Chaos ones (though perhaps you can count Abbadon as a fifth). As someone else stated they don't really seem to know how to do Chaos undivided very well.

For the loyalists I just suspect it'll be the big four, the three that get own codexs, plus Ultras. That said I do think it's more about big centre piece models to sell than lore, so I'd suspect something for Black Templars (who never had Primarch, being an offshoot of Imperial Fists, but who do tend to get thier own Codex) before say Khan coming back, noting they haven't yet even bothered put their special character onto a bike yet.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Apparently there's a rumour dating back to from before Magnus was released, by Hastings of all people, that the primarchs would be returning and the order they've been working on them was Magnus, Guilliman, Mortarion, Angron and Russ If that turns out to be true via that 'Tree of Life' stuff...

I mean, I trust Hastings as a source - and so far that order's correct! It'd be good to see Russ come back for the Wolftime. They'll probably do new 13th Company as well if that's the case.