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I'm shocked to see another upgrade sprue for the Spartan kit, who could have seen this coming? I suppose at least, like all the 30k tanks so far, it looks exactly like the FW kit is replacing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

Ar-bai-tes surely?

That's how I always pronounced it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

Ar-bai-tes surely?

That's how I always pronounced it.

Ar-bih-teez? The 'I' as in 'Imperial'?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

Ar-bai-tes surely?

That's how I always pronounced it.

My job involves Ar-bih-tration. Not Ar-Bee-tration. It’s Ar-bites.

Like….

Aecus Decimus wrote:
I'm shocked to see another upgrade sprue for the Spartan kit, who could have seen this coming? I suppose at least, like all the 30k tanks so far, it looks exactly like the FW kit is replacing.

Only missing the filler on the former's poorly cast parts?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

Ar-bai-tes surely?

That's how I always pronounced it.

My job involves Ar-bih-tration. Not Ar-Bee-tration. It’s Ar-bites.

Ar-beet-ies always makes me think of the old hobby shop Beatties here in the UK.

I always say Ar-bites, an arbiter isn't an Ar-beeter.

This set of previews has fair knocked my socks off.

Decent amount of stuff shown off across the games. Particularly impressed with the new Seraphon stuff, especially the Saurus who now look suitably beefy and dangerous.

Also lots of Rumour Engines solved.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Heavy Stubber has a little bit of Smartgun to it.

Reminds me of the old Van Saar heavy stubber. Looks like another design that might have been fished out of the past and/or the sculptor's youth.

https://brushwithdestiny.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/vansaarspecweaps.jpg?w=2000&h=

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

I mean sure, if you’ve always enjoyed being wrong and want to carry on being wrong. Just use them alongisde your Ass-tarts and Cus-toads.

Cuss-toads are called Slann now, get with the times grandpa!

The Arbites are the star of the show for sure, directly followed by the Khornate furries and the Shaolin bloodsuckers, although i don't like most of their faces.

Brutalis dreadnought... meh... at this point they'll soon stick grots on Primaris vehicles to accompagnie the glut of silly weapons.

As for the missile dudes - i don't even think they look that bad, but the belt-feeds for ??? are an extremely weird design choice. I guess their modular main weapon is a decent source for hunter-killer missiles and such for future conversions

I can't say I NEED more Arbites,



but I certainly want these dudes.



Anyone know what's up with the delay on getting the Into the Dark teams on their own? Krieg and the Junior Sisters have been out since summer but the Navy and Kroot aren't.

I'll probably get a box set for the Arbites and Terrain but would also want a box or two of the Arbites on their own too.


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 Altruizine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Heavy Stubber has a little bit of Smartgun to it.

Reminds me of the old Van Saar heavy stubber. Looks like another design that might have been fished out of the past and/or the sculptor's youth.

https://brushwithdestiny.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/vansaarspecweaps.jpg?w=2000&h=

It also looks like the one from the metal Enforcers in the 2000s.

I do so hope they're not a full head taller than regular humans like the new Kasrkin...

Man, the weapons on those new Marines are... something.

I can usually see some way of fixing a glaring issue with a design, but I'm not sure anyone actually tried to design those in the first place.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do so hope they're not a full head taller than regular humans like the new Kasrkin...

Good news: they aren't.

Bad news: they're a full head taller than Kasrkin.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Man, the weapons on those new Marines are... something.

I can usually see some way of fixing a glaring issue with a design, but I'm not sure anyone actually tried to design those in the first place.

They remind me of Chewie taking out the security cameras on the Death Star Prison block.

That Redemptor is everything wrong with 40k design.

Couldn't just give it melee weapons - it's got to have twin heavy stubbers, two multi-meltas, and two twin bolter things.

It's got more shooting than a Hellfire or Mortis dreadnought.

Aecus Decimus wrote:
God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.

I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!

I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.

God I hope those saurus warriors can somehow rank up on 25 squares for old world...

grahamdbailey wrote:

Aecus Decimus wrote:
God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.

I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!

I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.

They’re growing on me, especially when the head is aligned to be sighting the weapon. They look like something which can be fired from the hip (yes I know they’re long and bulky) rather than the somewhat staid and boring Regular Tube Missile Launchers.

grahamdbailey wrote:

Aecus Decimus wrote:
God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.

I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!

I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.

Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..

Everything shown besides the new Warcry stuff and Soulshackle terrain was a disappointment for me. Glad I didn't try to wake up early for the reveals, I would have started the day all grumpy.

Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)

It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.

The Warcry Khorne models would work well as alternative Jakhals.

That running witch elf of the Underworld team would make fantastic Blood Bowl player, better pose than the one from the official DE team

I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

Loads of new kits!

Dread is awesome and so are the Saurus ( one step closer for my space lizardman).
Overall a good preview I would say, a bit for everyones tastes.

Im holding for Votann 2nd wave first though.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)

It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.

They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

Replace the body with a suitable Catachan

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)

It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.

They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.

Stop scrapping the barrell's bottom

Woke up to this huh

Ridiculous compensator pattern overgunned primaris

Cool demon prince paywalled in a dumb battlebox until its story arc is over

Copy of existing DoK Underworlds band but more bland

Pretty cool Arbites paywalled with more walls and a sprue of DE warriors

Pretty cool Warcry box, Vampires look really good, the Flesh Hound furry cosplay a bit less so

Epic new Old One, okay skink cav, okay saurus

Horus Heresy reveal we already knew about, thanks for nothing

4/10 and propped up entirely by the fantasy side

 Lord Damocles wrote:
That Redemptor is everything wrong with 40k design.

Couldn't just give it melee weapons - it's got to have twin heavy stubbers, two multi-meltas, and two twin bolter things.

It's got more shooting than a Hellfire or Mortis dreadnought.

It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)

It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.

They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.

Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.

 tauist wrote:
Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..

I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.

Yes, but the Redemptor was already a mess with too many guns. This abomination is just a boxdread but worse.

Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.

As opposed to yet another mediocre primaris model that nobody was asking for?