Do most Sororitas view Astartes as "mutant freaks"?

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**JNAProductions**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
It's in the book where the Sisters go back to retake a convent on a desert planet that also happens to be a storage shed for a millenia old Necron War base thing. They wake up the Necrons, and Sister Mariah (Sp) gets into an discussion with the cannonness, or Sister Verity does, about who will fight back against the threats of the Warp taint. She makes the point that the Astartes wont, calls them mutants, and basically says because they willingly admit "witches" into their ranks they are all tainted.

VERY simple summation, but still. My original point was "is this a widely held belief" among the sisters of battle, that the Astartes are "tainted mutants"? Because I personally believe the Sisters of battle have a blind spot to their own....taint. Not to mention the whole Sisters of the Darkness or whatever.

Sisters of Silence?

**Wyldhunt**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
It's in the book where the Sisters go back to retake a convent on a desert planet that also happens to be a storage shed for a millenia old Necron War base thing. They wake up the Necrons, and Sister Mariah (Sp) gets into an discussion with the cannonness, or Sister Verity does, about who will fight back against the threats of the Warp taint. She makes the point that the Astartes wont, calls them mutants, and basically says because they willingly admit "witches" into their ranks they are all tainted.

VERY simple summation, but still. My original point was "is this a widely held belief" among the sisters of battle, that the Astartes are "tainted mutants"? Because I personally believe the Sisters of battle have a blind spot to their own....taint. Not to mention the whole Sisters of the Darkness or whatever.

That would be Hammer & Anvil, if I'm not mistaken. The planet (base?) is the notorious Sanctuary 101.

Honestly, that level of disapproval from a sororitas doesn't seem very strange. I had to keep my voice down around a childhood friend's mom so she wouldn't take his "Satanic" Yu-Gi-Oh cards away. I'm not surprised that a brain-washed zealot who was raised chugging hate-psykers juice and who operates as part of a psykerless organization would find the idea of of working with psykers to be unethical.

It's, "Some people let their children play with those Satanic Yu-Gi-Mon cards, but not in my house!" cranked up to 11.

**Olthannon**

Why should members of the Ecclesiarchy think that the Space Marines are anything other than mutants? They are fanatics who see anything as an Other as a mutant that needs destruction.

What exactly about the different factions of the Imperium suggests harmony?

**Haighus**

Olthannon wrote:
Why should members of the Ecclesiarchy think that the Space Marines are anything other than mutants? They are fanatics who see anything as an Other as a mutant that needs destruction.

What exactly about the different factions of the Imperium suggests harmony?

Well, with Astartes in particular there is this contradiction of Marines being obviously altered from the human form, yet personally altered by their god, the Emperor. So they become a kind of holy abhuman that probably does cause many a theological debate amongst devout follows of the Imperial Cult.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

JNAProductions wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
It's in the book where the Sisters go back to retake a convent on a desert planet that also happens to be a storage shed for a millenia old Necron War base thing. They wake up the Necrons, and Sister Mariah (Sp) gets into an discussion with the cannonness, or Sister Verity does, about who will fight back against the threats of the Warp taint. She makes the point that the Astartes wont, calls them mutants, and basically says because they willingly admit "witches" into their ranks they are all tainted.

VERY simple summation, but still. My original point was "is this a widely held belief" among the sisters of battle, that the Astartes are "tainted mutants"? Because I personally believe the Sisters of battle have a blind spot to their own....taint. Not to mention the whole Sisters of the Darkness or whatever.
Sisters of Silence?

No, there are literal Sisters of Battle that fall to Chaos, and become Crab sisters, and mutants. I thought they were called Sisters of the Dark, or something.

Nope! Sisters of the Night.

https://wh40khomebrew.fandom.com/wiki/Sisters_of_the_Night

**Gert**

Fezz that's a homebrew article.
The only canon example of a fallen Sister is Miriael Sabathiel who featured in the Dark Millenium card game and an accompanying short story.

**Adeptekon**

40k definition of mutant? - Someone you don't like? They're just GMO right? They're not proliferating mutants if they could.

Technically we're all mutants, unless one of us here was made in the pure image of the God Emperor.

**bibotot**

Space Marines are NOT mutants. They are more like Abhumans in that their traits are stable and controlled. There are Chapters that succumb to mutations (like the Blood Angels).

The central split between the Sisters and the Space Marines is their beliefs in different versions of the Emperor's Truth. The Space Marines are secular while the Sisters are theologists.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Haighus wrote:
Olthannon wrote:
Why should members of the Ecclesiarchy think that the Space Marines are anything other than mutants? They are fanatics who see anything as an Other as a mutant that needs destruction.

What exactly about the different factions of the Imperium suggests harmony?

Well, with Astartes in particular there is this contradiction of Marines being obviously altered from the human form, yet personally altered by their god, the Emperor. So they become a kind of holy abhuman that probably does cause many a theological debate amongst devout follows of the Imperial Cult.

There’s also the unanswered question of how much does anyone outside of a Chapter really know about Astartes, and how they come to be.

Recruitment Worlds rarely see more than the cream of their youth being taken away by His Angels. Yes the resultant Marine may revisit their birth world, but given the Astartes lifespan, it may not be for generations after their recruitment/abduction.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

bibotot wrote:
Space Marines are NOT mutants. They are more like Abhumans in that their traits are stable and controlled. There are Chapters that succumb to mutations (like the Blood Angels).

The central split between the Sisters and the Space Marines is their beliefs in different versions of the Emperor's Truth. The Space Marines are secular whilee Sisters are theologists.

I don't think the Wulfen count as "abhumans". They are obvious mutants. Same goes with the Knights of Blood, or BA in the depths of the Thirst. Its a literal mutation.

Also, even the Inquisitors think the Space Marines are mutants. One, Andrastia I think, also directly claims that Celestine is a warp daemon.

**Adeptekon**

I don't know how it's perceived overall, but gene seed flaw is an undesirable mutation, as it is not a genetic modification correct?

**alextroy**

Wyldhunt wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
It's in the book where the Sisters go back to retake a convent on a desert planet that also happens to be a storage shed for a millenia old Necron War base thing. They wake up the Necrons, and Sister Mariah (Sp) gets into an discussion with the cannonness, or Sister Verity does, about who will fight back against the threats of the Warp taint. She makes the point that the Astartes wont, calls them mutants, and basically says because they willingly admit "witches" into their ranks they are all tainted.

VERY simple summation, but still. My original point was "is this a widely held belief" among the sisters of battle, that the Astartes are "tainted mutants"? Because I personally believe the Sisters of battle have a blind spot to their own....taint. Not to mention the whole Sisters of the Darkness or whatever.

That would be Hammer & Anvil, if I'm not mistaken. The planet (base?) is the notorious Sanctuary 101.

I really need to reread that book. I don't remember that conversation, but I'm not saying it didn't happen.

**Gert**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I don't think the Wulfen count as "abhumans". They are obvious mutants. Same goes with the Knights of Blood, or BA in the depths of the Thirst. Its a literal mutation.

Also, even the Inquisitors think the Space Marines are mutants. One, Andrastia I think, also directly claims that Celestine is a warp daemon.

For the first bit, yes, those Astartes that succumb to their genetic flaws are definitely mutants however baseline Astartes could be considered Abhuman.

For the second bit, you're overgeneralising. Some Inquisitors have gone after Chapters with particularly active or mutated geneseed but by no means does this infer that all Inquisitors believe all Astartes are mutants. You'll also often find that those who do go after Marine Chapters tend to fall heavily into the Puritan factions or the Chapter has done something to "slight" said Inquisitor.
The Inquisitor who believes Celestine is a Daemon is Katarinya Greyfax who is a very strong Puritan Hereticus Inquisitor, however she later slightly softens on the concept after fighting alongside the Saint.