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 Arbitrator wrote:
Question is will it be Heresy or 40k?

Whichever you feel upsets you the most. Or indeed, on that count, either.

I've seen this on FB too...

For whatever that's worth.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
They’ve been teasing plastic Thunderhawks for more than a decade as well. So I’m doubtful for now.

And there's been a plastic Thunderhawk around for about a year now - possibly longer, but I can't remember exactly when it was released.

My point exactly, the fact that GW is teasing stuff now doesn't mean a release is imminent. You can still have to wait a decade before it is actually released and even then it is not the product fans were expecting.

You seem to have missed that a plastic Thunderhawk has been released, Malika. It exists, if a store can get stock in for you (which, given GW's recent challenges in that area, may be quite the hurdle to overcome). GW even claim it to be in stock on their website, at least for the UK.

interesting .. never played it but it could be fun. Could they do it like necromunda and release a simple faction fleet box every couple of months and expand from there? It doesn't necessarily have a large model range even across multiple factions initially.

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 silverstu wrote:
interesting .. never played it but it could be fun. Could they do it like necromunda and release a simple faction fleet box every couple of months and expand from there? It doesn't necessarily have a large model range even across multiple factions initially.

For GW I think that would be the smart way to go. Do it like a Blackstone Fortress style with expansion and each expansion introduce new ships.

If BFG happens, good lord I hope they stick to the original rules. Obviously make necessary changes. The battery (fire power) chart was always silly. My broadside has 12 shots... and nope... down to 2... and they hardly ate your shields.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
They’ve been teasing plastic Thunderhawks for more than a decade as well. So I’m doubtful for now.

And there's been a plastic Thunderhawk around for about a year now - possibly longer, but I can't remember exactly when it was released.

My point exactly, the fact that GW is teasing stuff now doesn't mean a release is imminent. You can still have to wait a decade before it is actually released and even then it is not the product fans were expecting.

You seem to have missed that a plastic Thunderhawk has been released, Malika. It exists, if a store can get stock in for you (which, given GW's recent challenges in that area, may be quite the hurdle to overcome). GW even claim it to be in stock on their website, at least for the UK.

GW teased a plastic Thunderhawk for a decade, the community expected a 40k scaled one, GW finally releases an Aeronautica scaled one. So yah…they did finally release model but not in the scale expected by the community. It’s also a running gag when GW released said model.

I look forward to packs of:

2 Escorts for $70
1 Cruiser for $60
1 Barge for $125
1 Battleship for $150

Then of course endless weapons frames for $30 or more.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I look forward to packs of:

2 Escorts for $70
1 Cruiser for $60
1 Barge for $125
1 Battleship for $150

Then of course endless weapons frames for $30 or more.

As a more serious guess we might take a clue from aeronautica, where it looks like almost all the boxes are $47, with the number of planes in the box varying.

So same price point would get you
One battleship
2 cruisers
4-8 escorts.

Of course, all speculation at this point.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I look forward to packs of:

2 Escorts for $70
1 Cruiser for $60
1 Barge for $125
1 Battleship for $150

Then of course endless weapons frames for $30 or more.

And escorts will be fielded in groups of 5

If you think you're going to get all that for @$47, I have an ocean beachfront property to sell you in South Dakota.

Also, there's NO WAY it would even @$47 for each line you listed.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Only $300 USD (£12) for an 8 ship starter.

If the exchange rate is this good, got to get me some Khador.

Warcradle has already shown how to evolve the original BFG sprues.

El Torro wrote:
Personally I'd rather GW focused its efforts on Epic (both is great too of course). BFG is a much smaller undertaking in terms of resources though, especially if the initial box is set during the Horus Heresy.

I never got into BFG when it was first released, too busy playing other GW games. If it expands to 40K and not just the Heresy I would check it out though.

At this time and age, I'd rather they simply left those games alone. The only things I can expect from GW rereleasing them are split playerbases and insane prices. Oh, and dozens and dozens of books with bites of the actual rules all over them, but rewritten and full of errata on each new one.

With all that we've seen so far with the current narrative of 40K, and the teases, GW would be silly to not have Battlefleet Gothic and Space Hulk due for release this year. There just isn't a better time to reintroduce them...

GW seems to have abandoned their Epic-scale plans due to the world crisies over the last three years, while BSF has been on the go since late 2018. On all three accounts its a time for a change.

SamusDrake wrote:
With all that we've seen so far with the current narrative of 40K, and the teases, GW would be silly to not have Battlefleet Gothic and Space Hulk due for release this year. There just isn't a better time to reintroduce them...

GW seems to have abandoned their Epic-scale plans due to the world crisies over the last three years, while BSF has been on the go since late 2018. On all three accounts its a time for a change.

Emphasis in quoted post mine ; especially if the rumoured new Indomitus Terminators in the 10th Ed. starter come true..

Am I the only one who thinks that they don't need to do much for BFG other than reissue the rules, add in a fleet or two for play, and then make some model sets?

 TalonZahn wrote:
If you think you're going to get all that for @$47, I have an ocean beachfront property to sell you in South Dakota.

Also, there's NO WAY it would even @$47 for each line you listed.

Maybe I’m mistaken about the scale of aeronotica. Never seen it played in person. But GW is selling forces for one of their specialist games right now at that price point.

I’ll give you that GW will never sell BFG forces for that price, it’s not released yet, and the example prices from another game are older. So it might be $50, or whatever the equivalent at time of release is.

But I didn’t pull those number out of nowhere. Go check out the webstore. This is active GW pricing for a live product.

Unless they shift the scale up to something like the AoS Kahradron overlord ships, I suspect my guess is going to be better than yours.

 Just Tony wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that they don't need to do much for BFG other than reissue the rules, add in a fleet or two for play, and then make some model sets?

I think you just restated their general business model

I imagine that a decent business case for releasing BFG versus some other kind of release and the ROI is probably a bit more involved. Depending on one’s opinion of GWs capabilities.

The pricing will be more along the lines of Titanicus than Aeronautica.

BFG is the easiest game to get right

Goose LeChance wrote:
BFG is the easiest game to get right

Which makes it so very easy for GW to get it wrong.

First Horus Heresy, now rumors of BFG and Epic coming out in the future, GW may end up doing a lot for 3D printing. I really don't think any game lends itself to the advantages of resin 3D printing more than Battlefleet Gothic, great cost savings per model, looks great on the intricate ship details, and you only need a handful of models to field a full force.

 frankelee wrote:
First Horus Heresy, now rumors of BFG and Epic coming out in the future, GW may end up doing a lot for 3D printing. I really don't think any game lends itself to the advantages of resin 3D printing more than Battlefleet Gothic, great cost savings per model, looks great on the intricate ship details, and you only need a handful of models to field a full force.

I'm sure that's a major incentive for GW right there.

 Just Tony wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that they don't need to do much for BFG other than reissue the rules, add in a fleet or two for play, and then make some model sets?

oh man I hope GW gives it a little more effort.

BFG was my first tabletop and I really enjoyed playing it. In my opinion, the rules are now outdated and need a general overhaul.

I still hope that the rules of AT are some kind of template for the coming rebirth of BFG *fingers crossed*, I think the rules could be transferred quite well.

habedekrai37 wrote:
In my opinion, the rules are now outdated and need a general overhaul.

What would you like them to overhaul, while keeping the feel of a naval game in spaaaace?

 Dysartes wrote:

habedekrai37 wrote:
In my opinion, the rules are now outdated and need a general overhaul.

What would you like them to overhaul, while keeping the feel of a naval game in spaaaace?

in any case:
- Sheets / Terminals for the ships
- no more tables
- alternating activation
- micromanagement
- some innovative and elegant mechanics

:-)

Terminals? Ugh fun with big battles with big pile of terminals...

Okay here's 12 escorts. How do I fit all those terminals?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Only $300 USD (£12) for an 8 ship starter.

It's ok it's worked that way in reverse for warmahordes for ages. A full squad/army used to be cheaper for W/H or the same price as 40k in the US back at it's peak, where as it was often more expensive in the UK by a decent chunk.

tneva82 wrote:
Terminals? Ugh fun with big battles with big pile of terminals...

Okay here's 12 escorts. How do I fit all those terminals?

or smaller battles with only a few ships...

@Escorts: maybe 1 Terminal / squadron?

habedekrai37 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

habedekrai37 wrote:
In my opinion, the rules are now outdated and need a general overhaul.

What would you like them to overhaul, while keeping the feel of a naval game in spaaaace?

in any case:
- Sheets / Terminals for the ships
- no more tables
- alternating activation
- micromanagement
- some innovative and elegant mechanics

:-)

Sheets/Terminals is probably a thing they'd do, it's basically just an alternative way of bookkeeping, it fundamentally does not really matter
Tables: the firepower table is the core of the BFG 'engine' and is actually an elegant mechanic, getting rid of it would probably be a bad move
Alternate activation is another thing that's not good/bad per se, depends on the implementation
Micromanagement: You could probably streamline some of the ordnance stuff and special orders, but other than that there's not really much micromanagement compared to other games