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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
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Smaug wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Re - Killteam

This edition of killteam, including Gallowdark has had:

AM - Kasrkin and Krieg Vets
SM - Phobos
SoB - Young Nuns
Tau - Pathfinders? & Kroot
Chaos - Marines and Traitor Guard
Eldar/Dark Eldar - Corsairs
Necrons - Cryptek Crew
Imperium (misc) - Breacher, Arbites
Orks - Kommandos
(Not including re-release teams like Gellerpox etc)

That leaves...

Custodes
Multiple Marine Chapters (Neglible reason to get specific sets though so you'd hope would be unlikely, but this is GW)
Tyranids
Daemons
GSC
Ad Mech
DG/TS/WE (Probably as likely/unlikely as chapter specific marines, less likely in all regards)
Votann

Out of full established factions - Not including Knights of all varieties for obvious reasons, and you can't discount an Inquisition force... You would guess/hope one faction is from the above list of not getting a kit, yet... I think it would be a poor showing on GW's part to not have a space hulk without some Nids or GSC, but Arbites didn't make sense and was picked over them. Orks are another Space Hulk heavy user factions.

Kasrkin vs Nids would have been so cool, essential colonial marines vs Aliens. Oh well.

I’d split the Eldar teams
Craftworld - Corsair Voidscarred
Drukhari - Hand of the Archon

Genestealers or Freebooterz are definitely missed opportunities. Except for Nachmund all the boxes have been Imperium vs someone.
A couple of pair ups that probably won’t happen:
Ad Mech vs GSC - Last edition starter II
Ad Mech vs Votann - Who’s jumping whose claim
Ad Mech vs Dark Mech - Tie in with AoO
Inquisition vs Daemons - Not unless we’re getting undivided daemons

Agreed, and also forgot about the new Drukhari kit

Freebooters would have been really cool, I was thinking of them myself.

I'd prefer to see Genestealers with Terminators tbh, I think a Lictor based kill team would be cool. A smaller style kill team, maybe with the red terror or variation. 3-4 of them.

I’m wondering if the 40K logo on the Tyranid and Terminator trailers is for the 40K universe or 40K game. If it’s for the universe then the trailer could be for Kill Team.
Hopefully lictors will be released along with a rerelease of the Deathworld Forest Killzone and other two zones for the next season.
   
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Tsagualsa wrote:
They now have a big doomsday countdown to the Adepticon Seminar on the community page


The next reveal to make you - yes, YOU, personally - disappionted is nearly here.
   
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Good thing i'm not expecting 100 new kits and new edition like some so no danger of being dissapointed

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 xttz wrote:
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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Re - Killteam
That leaves...

Custodes
Multiple Marine Chapters (Neglible reason to get specific sets though so you'd hope would be unlikely, but this is GW)
Tyranids
Daemons
GSC
Ad Mech
DG/TS/WE (Probably as likely/unlikely as chapter specific marines, less likely in all regards)
Votann


We saw a small new tzeentch daemon model recently. What are the odds that's from a Horror-based kill team upgrade sprue?


That tease had a sculpted base. In my mind, that pretty much guarantees it’s aos underworlds or an event/exclusive model
   
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I'm going fairly restrained with my predictions, I think.

Warhammer 40,000 - Last Arks of Omen book + any accompanying model(s).

Age of Sigmar - Next two books from the roadmap, plus any new figures to go with them? Maybe another Seraphon preview or two?

Horus Heresy - MOAR TANKS! Fellblade/Glaive?

Kill Team - Next big box - No idea who, though. Any of AdMech/Votann/Tyranids would be cool. Possibly not a full reveal of the contents, but at least one model from each side, plus something about the scenery.

Underworlds - Next big start-of-season box, plus season roadmap? Are we due a new setting for this one?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Dryaktylus wrote:

The next reveal to make you - yes, YOU, personally - disappionted is nearly here.


Given their habit to spread the "important previews" on as much time as possible, I totally expect a small reveal of the next 40k edition starter that ends with a stupid trailer without saying much on the actual edition changes. Too soon, man, too soon.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:


Kill Team - Next big box - No idea who, though. Any of AdMech/Votann/Tyranids would be cool. Possibly not a full reveal of the contents, but at least one model from each side, plus something about the scenery.



From my personal speculation about Valrak's sources, i guess that at least one of his predictions - either chaos cultists or beastmen - for Killteam will be revealed now, it seems to fit right in the time window for his more trustworthy stuff.
   
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I think they’ll tease the lion but not reveal him. Though maybe they will fully show him off if they’re afraid he’ll be leaked early.

Given all the reliable rumors so far, I’m amazed he hasn’t leaked. All three daemon primarchs were leaked way before their release
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I think they’ll tease the lion but not reveal him. Though maybe they will fully show him off if they’re afraid he’ll be leaked early.

Given all the reliable rumors so far, I’m amazed he hasn’t leaked. All three daemon primarchs were leaked way before their release


Depends on if the last AoO book is really called 'The Lion' or not - if it is, there's not much sense in keeping him secret much longer, and i guess the one-two-punch of the last Tarot card for book 5 on Friday and then images and the model reveal on a couple of days later is enough to generate hype for it.
   
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 Strg Alt wrote:
Insider info. They will show off a new game:

Epic 30K.


This is a Joke, right?
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I think they’ll tease the lion but not reveal him. Though maybe they will fully show him off if they’re afraid he’ll be leaked early.

Given all the reliable rumors so far, I’m amazed he hasn’t leaked. All three daemon primarchs were leaked way before their release


That just proves that to get leaked the model needs to be a Daemon Primarch. Just being a Traitor Primarch isn't enough.

GW has two big events left before the new edition. Adepticon and Warhammer Fest. We can say with near certainty that the latter will be all about the new edition. And we had both Farsigth and Arks of Omen book four revealed already. I seems unlikely that book five content would be held back from Adepticon when it's one of GW's biggest reveal events.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Would really like to run a DW killteam with my AM without it hamping rules - be like the good old days of 3rd edition again.


Nope. Not like 3rd at all, because Xenos Hunters, which would have been the book that included DW was never released, and it is still the worst sin of the edition. In 3rd, the Ordo Xenos were the only Ordo that did not have a Chamber Militant.


RazorEdge wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Insider info. They will show off a new game:

Epic 30K.


This is a Joke, right?


Here's hoping. It's already mistake to have even ONE game that includes less than half of the factions. It would be a sin as great as edition churn and price gouging to create ANOTHER game that excludes so many factions.



   
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Valrak has done a video 'pregaming' the Adepticon seminar, i'll quote it here as well:

Edit 03/15/2023

New Video with stuff, mostly predicting what will be revealed at Adepticon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPkUt7_MXY

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition
   
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PenitentJake wrote:


Here's hoping. It's already mistake to have even ONE game that includes less than half of the factions. It would be a sin as great as edition churn and price gouging to create ANOTHER game that excludes so many factions.





Nah great idea. Titans already done, three sprues- Infantry, rhinos and landraiders, some resin tanks- easy. Couple of years time xenos then we're on to epic 40k.
Some of you people need to stop thinking about what you want and start thinking about the poor shareholders.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Would really like to run a DW killteam with my AM without it hamping rules - be like the good old days of 3rd edition again.


Nope. Not like 3rd at all, because Xenos Hunters, which would have been the book that included DW was never released, and it is still the worst sin of the edition. In 3rd, the Ordo Xenos were the only Ordo that did not have a Chamber Militant.

While Codex: Xenos Hunters was never released, rules for a Deathwatch Kill Team unit to ally into Imperium armies were - though I can't remember if they were in late 3rd or early 4th edition. The only model support was a sprue with special bolter, shoulder pad, and maybe a helmet.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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There was a bare head and a helmet in that kit.
   
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JWBS wrote:
There was a bare head and a helmet in that kit.


Specifically so that you could do the 40k version of the Captain Artemis miniature for Inq54 iirc.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Would really like to run a DW killteam with my AM without it hamping rules - be like the good old days of 3rd edition again.


Nope. Not like 3rd at all, because Xenos Hunters, which would have been the book that included DW was never released, and it is still the worst sin of the edition. In 3rd, the Ordo Xenos were the only Ordo that did not have a Chamber Militant.

While Codex: Xenos Hunters was never released, rules for a Deathwatch Kill Team unit to ally into Imperium armies were - though I can't remember if they were in late 3rd or early 4th edition. The only model support was a sprue with special bolter, shoulder pad, and maybe a helmet.


3rd edition White dwarf supplement. Well before either of the Inquisition chamber militant codex's either. Could have a Captain or Librarian within the squad. Was badass.

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RazorEdge wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Insider info. They will show off a new game:

Epic 30K.


This is a Joke, right?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/15/40-years-of-warhammer-clash-of-the-warlord-titans/

This article just posted now finishes with:

The original plastic Warlord Titan made it through two editions of Epic Space Marine before it was updated, eventually earning two separate metal iterations. And while epic scale Warhammer is in abeyance, the current edition of Adeptus Titanicus has brought many more God-engines out to play.


Abeyance = a state of temporary disuse or suspension...

   
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 xttz wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
Insider info. They will show off a new game:

Epic 30K.


This is a Joke, right?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/15/40-years-of-warhammer-clash-of-the-warlord-titans/

This article just posted now finishes with:

The original plastic Warlord Titan made it through two editions of Epic Space Marine before it was updated, eventually earning two separate metal iterations. And while epic scale Warhammer is in abeyance, the current edition of Adeptus Titanicus has brought many more God-engines out to play.


Abeyance = a state of temporary disuse or suspension...



They have also called the upcoming reveals 'seismic' in the past couple of days, and while that could just be a case of thesaurus abuse, it's also a choice of words closely related to titans and other large warmachines.
   
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Do you think Duncan still has an insight into the release schedule?

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From the flashback article about the original plastic Warlord

Warhammer Community wrote: The original plastic Warlord Titan made it through two editions of Epic Space Marine before it was updated, eventually earning two separate metal iterations. And while epic scale Warhammer is in abeyance, the current edition of Adeptus Titanicus has brought many more God-engines out to play.

   
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Huh. The specificity of word choices there is interesting. Not just abeyance, but 'epic scale warhammer' (which isn't even setting or era specific) rather than any of its actual product names other than the original Epic Space Marine.

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If the Voltann and Beastmen both got figures in Necromunda before getting a wider release then Ratlings most be next. Codex Abhuman confirmed for 10th.
   
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My position regarding Epic continues to be that I don't understand why GW would be keen to jump back into the 6mm tank and infantry space. Their competitive advantage is with bigger kits. There are plenty of third-party sculpts and 3D print designs available for the smaller units that look like their 28mm counterparts with a very good level of detail. I don't see what's in GW for them other than continuing to push the existing plane and Titan kits. And they don't really need a new Epic game to do that. Also, I agree that the Epic customer base (not enormous for sure, but you'd still want them on board) will want their xenos and Chaos factions.

And overall, this feels like the same old preview cycle where people like Valrak get the fan base ginned up for all these huge reveals, only to receive a more pedestrian lineup. Which might still be cool stuff, but not the everything plus the kitchen sink that was 'promised'.

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 gorgon wrote:
And overall, this feels like the same old preview cycle where people like Valrak get the fan base ginned up for all these huge reveals, only to receive a more pedestrian lineup. Which might still be cool stuff, but not the everything plus the kitchen sink that was 'promised'.


So many people are going to be mad at GW when a new edition of Epic is not announced or even teased when they now expect it.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
And overall, this feels like the same old preview cycle where people like Valrak get the fan base ginned up for all these huge reveals, only to receive a more pedestrian lineup. Which might still be cool stuff, but not the everything plus the kitchen sink that was 'promised'.


So many people are going to be mad at GW when a new edition of Epic is not announced or even teased when they now expect it.

I guess they can be if they want, but between the active game systems, Old World and various misc stuff, even if Epic is underway, it will be 3-4 years minimum. The edition cycle for 40k and AoS is too short, and with HH and TOW on top, plus necromunda and kill team, there just isn't a lot of room to expect a meaningful announcement. Just little teases like this one.

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 gorgon wrote:
My position regarding Epic continues to be that I don't understand why GW would be keen to jump back into the 6mm tank and infantry space. Their competitive advantage is with bigger kits. There are plenty of third-party sculpts and 3D print designs available for the smaller units that look like their 28mm counterparts with a very good level of detail. I don't see what's in GW for them other than continuing to push the existing plane and Titan kits. And they don't really need a new Epic game to do that. Also, I agree that the Epic customer base (not enormous for sure, but you'd still want them on board) will want their xenos and Chaos factions.

And overall, this feels like the same old preview cycle where people like Valrak get the fan base ginned up for all these huge reveals, only to receive a more pedestrian lineup. Which might still be cool stuff, but not the everything plus the kitchen sink that was 'promised'.



Get money from customers rather than leave for others to benefit? The sales they lose by not selling epic doesn't go to gw.

As for xenos etc that's matter of logistic. 100 new plastic sprue is too much to expect right away. Epic started as hh due to logistics and it's just gone more pressing in time due to increased factions, units and removal of metal models.

Gw was stupid enough to think by removing other games customers just transfer purchases to 40k which is flat out wrong. Maybe they learned from mistake.

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tneva82 wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
My position regarding Epic continues to be that I don't understand why GW would be keen to jump back into the 6mm tank and infantry space. Their competitive advantage is with bigger kits. There are plenty of third-party sculpts and 3D print designs available for the smaller units that look like their 28mm counterparts with a very good level of detail. I don't see what's in GW for them other than continuing to push the existing plane and Titan kits. And they don't really need a new Epic game to do that. Also, I agree that the Epic customer base (not enormous for sure, but you'd still want them on board) will want their xenos and Chaos factions.

And overall, this feels like the same old preview cycle where people like Valrak get the fan base ginned up for all these huge reveals, only to receive a more pedestrian lineup. Which might still be cool stuff, but not the everything plus the kitchen sink that was 'promised'.



Get money from customers rather than leave for others to benefit? The sales they lose by not selling epic doesn't go to gw.

As for xenos etc that's matter of logistic. 100 new plastic sprue is too much to expect right away. Epic started as hh due to logistics and it's just gone more pressing in time due to increased factions, units and removal of metal models.

Gw was stupid enough to think by removing other games customers just transfer purchases to 40k which is flat out wrong. Maybe they learned from mistake.


But does the infantry sprue sales opportunity really warrant the release of a new game? And it'd have to be a new game, because AT is a system designed around the micromanagement of Titans. It already starts to break down with Knight armies.

Of course, there's a chance that nu-Epic is more of an "Epic" in that it is just AT 2.0 with the option for a sidecar of planes or tanks, similar to how Knights work alongside Titan maniples. That would seem to me to be the most believable scenario.

Regarding xenos, yes, it would potentially be an ungodly amount of SKUs. But my comment was about what the customers WANT. And I think both the Epic vets and people new to the game would be much more interested if more factions existed for the game. There's no doubt in my mind that it's held AT back, even as I understand why and think it's a great game.



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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
So many people are going to be mad at GW when a new edition of Epic is not announced or even teased when they now expect it.


The fanbase is even more convinced that the Lion is coming to 40K, so the response to a letdown there oughta be really fun.

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