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I still can't believe why GW should announce EPIC at the Adepticon...

it sounds too good to be real.

RazorEdge wrote:
I still can't believe why GW should announce EPIC at the Adepticon...

it sounds too good to be real.

It probably is.

While Epic HH may well be happening, I very much doubt it's coming before 40k 10E. Most likely we get that announcement next week and Epic is saved for later in the year.

The latest Rumors actual said "release at the End of the Year".

RazorEdge wrote:
The latest Rumors actual said "release at the End of the Year".

Also in rumors epic seems to alternate with the old world with one of the two coming at the end of the year and the other in 2024 but personally if one of them comes this year Think it will be Epic

 Matrindur wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
The latest Rumors actual said "release at the End of the Year".

Also in rumors epic seems to alternate with the old world with one of the two coming at the end of the year and the other in 2024 but personally if one of them comes this year Think it will be Epic

At this point there have been numerous WarCom articles about the Old World. 0 about Epic.

The only way Epic comes first is if it is predominantly plastic (Old world could still be predominantly resin if under FW mainly - who knows at this point) and is a joint project between GW and FW like age of darkness and Necromunda.

Be a bit of a kick in the teeth for those excited about the Old World to have another game system requiring quite massive FW support (presumably anyway) before it.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

At this point there have been numerous WarCom articles about the Old World. 0 about Epic.

The only way Epic comes first is if it is predominantly plastic (Old world could still be predominantly resin if under FW mainly - who knows at this point) and is a joint project between GW and FW like age of darkness and Necromunda.

Be a bit of a kick in the teeth for those excited about the Old World to have another game system requiring quite massive FW support (presumably anyway) before it.

That's just an argument in favour of GW going back to their old marketing plan of revealing new stuff the same month it goes on sale. Can't get upset about something you never knew about.

Titanicus was announced early and delayed beyond the expected release date because they decided to produce the models in plastic instead of resin. Perhaps TOW is taking so long for a similar reason?

 xttz wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

At this point there have been numerous WarCom articles about the Old World. 0 about Epic.

The only way Epic comes first is if it is predominantly plastic (Old world could still be predominantly resin if under FW mainly - who knows at this point) and is a joint project between GW and FW like age of darkness and Necromunda.

Be a bit of a kick in the teeth for those excited about the Old World to have another game system requiring quite massive FW support (presumably anyway) before it.

That's just an argument in favour of GW going back to their old marketing plan of revealing new stuff the same month it goes on sale. Can't get upset about something you never knew about.

Titanicus was announced early and delayed beyond the expected release date because they decided to produce the models in plastic instead of resin. Perhaps TOW is taking so long for a similar reason?

The Old World was an exception where GW were open that it would be at least s 3-5 year period before it would be release ready; and that was before a global pandemic.

...and there's also the long-shot possibility of the new edition of BFG, which they also continue to tease from time to time.

I can't see either Epic or BFG being announced any time soon, but if we're talking long shots...

 Overread wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

At this point there have been numerous WarCom articles about the Old World. 0 about Epic.

The only way Epic comes first is if it is predominantly plastic (Old world could still be predominantly resin if under FW mainly - who knows at this point) and is a joint project between GW and FW like age of darkness and Necromunda.

Be a bit of a kick in the teeth for those excited about the Old World to have another game system requiring quite massive FW support (presumably anyway) before it.

That's just an argument in favour of GW going back to their old marketing plan of revealing new stuff the same month it goes on sale. Can't get upset about something you never knew about.

Titanicus was announced early and delayed beyond the expected release date because they decided to produce the models in plastic instead of resin. Perhaps TOW is taking so long for a similar reason?

The Old World was an exception where GW were open that it would be at least s 3-5 year period before it would be release ready; and that was before a global pandemic.

The Old World being revealed at all was an anomaly compared to the way that GW works with all its other releases, ideally as a business they aim to make the "hype" phase with the "ability to open wallet and buy the thing" fairly close together so people don't lose interest in the interim.

The exceptional circumstance which forced their hand was Kings of War skyrocketing in popularity ever since The End Times. The Old World announcement came out days after the announcement of Kings of War 3rd edition. I've been to KoW tournaments, 200 players is not uncommon for the larger events, a lot of them veterans of competitive play in WHFB, having both KoW and WHFB 6th edition written by Alessio Cavatore helped make the transition easier. Not sure how much of that playerbase will want to go back after TOW drops, a lot depends on the quality and balance of the ruleset.

There is a preference for rulesets which are not overly complex or verbose with the core rules, but allow for great tactical depth. Less "gotcha" combos and more about flanking, manoeuvres, screening with chaff, bait-and-switch. Both 6th and KoW do this well, albeit in very different ways.

As for Epic, I played Epic: Armageddon and found it to be really awesome, great clean ruleset that played fantastically well without overcomplication and really got across the feel of the setting, you had titans with their shields duking it out while a massive war raged at their feet, combined with fast units really being able to make grand sweeping movements due to the scale of the game. I'd definitely be interested in a relaunch if they get it right and don't bloat the rules or add tactics cards etc.

In short, I put good odds on Epic before TOW, it has had stealth release of a lot of the model range in the form of Aeronautica Imperialis and Adeptus Titanicus, that's how they've slowly built up the capticaity for the huge model range that would be required to modernise it. Just tanks and infantry left and it's done, arguably the easiest things to get right since the 28mm 3d models are already there for reference, or simple downscale + adjustment to remove certain details and exaggerate others.

RazorEdge wrote:
I still can't believe why GW should announce EPIC at the Adepticon...

it sounds too good to be real.

I know!

Especially when they have to announce BFG, the Old World and 10th edition already!

To say nothing of Codex Adeptus Arbites.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I still can't believe why GW should announce EPIC at the Adepticon...

it sounds too good to be real.

I know!

Especially when they have to announce BFG, the Old World and 10th edition already!

To say nothing of Codex Adeptus Arbites.

Dont forget they also have to show off the plastic Lion, Thunderhawk, and HH Character series Emperor models

Has anyone mentioned Beastmen yet? Potentially for KT, AoS and Underworlds, plus there was a recent warcom feature + some rumours.

Beasts of Chaos got released not long ago for AoS. It came with the new Beastlord model.

There is a rumour of Kill Team Votann vs Beastmen, which seems like utter nonsense for the final chapter of Gallowdark to me.

TBH I would love a new real Epic 40k game, as in small scale figures for large battles, and 40k proper going back to the "correct" scale that it was in 2nd/early 3rd edition. 40k's biggest issue has been that it's trying to be everything from a small scale game to a large scale game, and failing at everything because you need two different sets of rules for that.

Between 40k, Epic, Kill team and BFG we would once again have the golden age of 40k campaigning, where you could literally fight a war on all scales.

Good point.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There is a rumour of Kill Team Votann vs Beastmen, which seems like utter nonsense for the final chapter of Gallowdark to me.

Any reason? Beastmen assumingly would represent chaos, who are the driving force behind the need to claim the arks/hulks.

Probably need to be Imperial, specifically marines, if this is some sort of zenith to the campaign.

40K: The Lion returns...yawn. Seriously, I'm happy for DA players, but tired of hearing about him and thus hope you get your wish on Wednesday so that you're indeed happy - even have a party - and we can then move on. That said, if El'Jonson is wearing new Deathwing terminator armour then I'll be hosting your party, and will provide balloons, m&ms and pringles...

Kill Team: Terminators vs Lictors. Scorpions and Banshees are waaaaaaaaaay over due.

Horus Heresy: Market research has revealed unprecedented customer demand for a new tank.

AOS: Who hasn't had their battletome yet? Aside from missing the Warscroll pack for Slaves To Darkness, I'm good.

Underworlds: Tzeentch shenanigans in a Silver Tower. I'd be uber happy with this!

Surprises: some crap on Warhammer+...

Warhammer Community: £65 starter set for Warcry, that isn't worth mentioning at Adepticon because it's a cut-down version of the 2nd edition launch box.

Just cancel everything and put all the resources into BFG, easy.

So, just as they're about to mass produce plastic assault marines for 30K...

"Shall we just make BFG instead?"

"Yeah, go on then..."

SamusDrake wrote:
So, just as they're about to mass produce plastic assault marines for 30K...

"Shall we just make BFG instead?"

"Yeah, go on then..."

Cue videos of melting down sprues of chainswords and running legs being poured into the mold for a plastic Glorianna class battle barge.

So hot on the heels of AoO Vashtorr, which was on general release this week? Next week is AoO Farsight.

I reckon we’re at least seeing the name of Vol 5 shown off on Weds/Thurs.

Damn slow week, 1 plastic model (paywalled in a boarding patrol box) and 1 resin model.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Damn slow week, 1 plastic model (paywalled in a boarding patrol box) and 1 resin model.

2 plastic (Snikrot in the Ork patrol).

Back in the not so distant past most weeks had zero releases, with each month having about as many as the average week does in current year.

I'm still so tired of this release something every week crap. It makes it incredibly hard to even process what's coming out because it's just a constant churn. You can barely even plan what to do when every week something interesting is coming

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Cue videos of melting down sprues of chainswords and running legs being poured into the mold for a plastic Glorianna class battle barge.

A weeping 30K player slowly looks up into the face of Vin Diesel...