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 Moopy wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
HH Book... at least it's not a tank?

Those Seraphon are hot A F

Yay.... more settings for my unfinished Blood Angels because there's no assaulters. |: T


Also, what tank is this?

Kratos, no?

So, has GW finally worked out how to fill a preview properly? Substantial amounts of content while still only teasing some things!

 streetsamurai wrote:
Dissapointed that there was no necromunda preview. Its been what, 2 or 3 previews since we got one?

You were disappointed they didn’t preview a game not on the list of games they told you they’d preview? That’s on you.

The new terminators look good, because they look so much like the old terminators, just upscaled and with a bit more detail on them.

The lion is alright, in a saturday morning cartoon kinda way.

HH reveal was lackluster.

Interested to see if any of the Lizardmen rank up i.e. will be of use when the old world arrives. If it ever arrives, seems to be the slowest project GW has ever worked on.

Something to note is that since the new Terminators are basically just upscaled versions of the old ones, they can be used as true scale Indomitus Terminators for the Horus Heresy without having the issue of needing to get rid of any Primaris stuff.

 Tamereth wrote:

Interested to see if any of the Lizardmen rank up i.e. will be of use when the old world arrives. If it ever arrives, seems to be the slowest project GW has ever worked on.

Unless base sizes go up doubt it. Lots of hanging over. Chaos chosen warriors and knights are nightmare to rank up. Doubt these are much better.

Of course nowhere does it say tow has to stay on 20/25mm/40 area. Could introduce 35mm squares which would alleviate. After all if no new bases are allowed to be introduced 25mm squares wouldn't be a thing either

tneva82 wrote:

Since when redemptor got twin lascannon?

10th edition, apparently.

Seraphon look awesome, but seriously, the 2 pre-order battletomes and the 2 previewed battletomes coming out only get one model. That's honestly fething worthless. Don't release books if you aren't doing anything substantial. Do yourselves a favor and don't buy into these gakky books, there will be a range update for each of them with another book in the next 1-2 years.

John D Law wrote:
Soooooo Girlyman didn’t age but the lion did? ?

Roboute had the benefit of a stasis field, the Lion apparently didn't. The entire point of a stasis field is to prevent time moving which, y'know, would prevent aging...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mooooooo! Kin look great. Not entirely sure I’m sold on the Beastmen, but dare say they’ll grow on me.

Something I didn't realise bugged me until just now - why do we almost always see Goatmen as Beastmen? Tzeentch has some slightly more avian-looking ones, and there's that one Khorne Dogman, but for something that could have so much variety, they're very limited...

 streetsamurai wrote:
Love beastmen in fantasy, but dont feel like they fit in 40k...

Any particular reason? Warp gonna warp people, after all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thank the Hive Mind that the Tyranids haven't gone through an aesthetic redesign.

I wonder how badly this will affect NAVARRO, given how much they were rubbing their hands with glee at the mere rumour of a redesign...

 insaniak wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wjats the new stats, OC or something like that?

OC is Objective Control. Affects the unit's ability to control objectives.

Kinda wish they'd put that in the WHC article about the new edition, but that's a small gripe. May well crop up in future pieces.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And no Power Level on the sheet. Interesting.

No points, either - maybe both will be in their own section now (assuming PL remains a thing)?

One downside of that datasheet? No sign of the Spike Rifle or Strangleweb coming back in this new kit, which is a shame.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Dissapointed that there was no necromunda preview. Its been what, 2 or 3 previews since we got one?

They could probably do with a "Specialist Games" preview event, to set some expectations for the year ahead. On the other hand, they were very clear from the point they announced the preview which games would be included, so they are (slowly) learning in that regard.

John D Law wrote:
Whelp the Lions look definitely quashes the old urban myth that the Dark Angels were the “Native American” marines chapter. ?

They had a "Native American"-flavoured recruiting world, sure, but I don't recall that being the flavour for the whole Chapter/Legion - especially given from at least Codex: Angels of Death we knew quite a bit about Caliban, and it didn't fit that theme.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh, and because it has to be said:

Valrak was right.

On what proportion of things he claimed/reported? Given some of them contradicted each other, he cannae have a 100% record out of all this...

+ + +

Question on that datesheet design - why the feth is there not a weapon keyword column, where the terms in brackets on the Fleshborer and "Termagant spinefists" (sigh) lines could live neatly?

And given KT stuff tends to migrate into 40k as well - was anything mentioned about where these new Beastmen would sit, in that regard?

Shame the two AOS Death factions are just getting a character - being newer lines (especially the OBR), they could probably have benefited from a unit or two. This seems to be a theme, though - if you're not the not-High-Elves as a new faction, you're SOL when it comes to getting new units.

 Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh, and because it has to be said:

Valrak was right.

On what proportion of things he claimed/reported? Given some of them contradicted each other, he cannae have a 100% record out of all this...

I will go over the OP and analyse this sometime this week, have no fear That's the biggest part of why i started this thread in the first place, and now we have enough material to have some substantial review.

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Since when redemptor got twin lascannon?

10th edition, apparently.

Still fits the rumours - they don't really do alternative loadouts anymore, instead it's an alternative unit designation. Just like the 'Brutalis' is mostly a Redemptor with double CCW and some gubbins on top this will be a Redemptor with more ranged stuff and called a 'Sagitarius' or whatever.

Posted much earlier about how the new Termagants looked skinny.

I think the correct word is “more lithe”, which is not the same as skinny.

Current ones are quite rotund and chunky compared to what came before. But the new ones look to be Just Right.

So do the new Termies mean older armour designs can potentially be re-engineered for Primaris?

I always felt Primaris were a solution to a customer perception problem, but now that they're here, setting the new benchmark, straight up upscaling older designs seems to potentially be on the cards, which could give us back the classic marks in better proportions.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So do the new Termies mean older armour designs can potentially be re-engineered for Primaris?

I always felt Primaris were a solution to a customer perception problem, but now that they're here, setting the new benchmark, straight up upscaling older designs seems to potentially be on the cards, which could give us back the classic marks in better proportions.

No because they didn't do anything to re-engineer the armour:

Not even Belisarius Cawl is able to improve upon this ancient and holy armour pattern. Any Space Marine Veteran can earn the right to don a sacred suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour, so veterans of the Tyrannic Wars and the Indomitus Crusade alike are clad in these suits of revered ceremite.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Posted much earlier about how the new Termagants looked skinny.

I think the correct word is “more lithe”, which is not the same as skinny.

Current ones are quite rotund and chunky compared to what came before. But the new ones look to be Just Right.

I think the new Termagants are amazing, and importantly, they manage to be a great update of the general idea without looking out of place. If you look at just the new ones, you could not say how they're different from the old ones, but if you put them side by side you can clearly see it. Great job imho!

His Master's Voice wrote:So do the new Termies mean older armour designs can potentially be re-engineered for Primaris?

Given that we have some example of Terminator armour being re-fitted to regular Space Marines that are noted to be absolutely huge compared to normal marines, like Asterion Moloch or Tyberos the Red Wake, and on the other hand Terminator armour that can be made to fit regular-sized humans like Inquisitors etc., i think that that's quite likely and in accordance with the background.

Dudeface wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So do the new Termies mean older armour designs can potentially be re-engineered for Primaris?

I always felt Primaris were a solution to a customer perception problem, but now that they're here, setting the new benchmark, straight up upscaling older designs seems to potentially be on the cards, which could give us back the classic marks in better proportions.

No because they didn't do anything to re-engineer the armour:

Not even Belisarius Cawl is able to improve upon this ancient and holy armour pattern. Any Space Marine Veteran can earn the right to don a sacred suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour, so veterans of the Tyrannic Wars and the Indomitus Crusade alike are clad in these suits of revered ceremite.

Which means that primaris are the same size as original marines, or they perform some leg shortening surgery to get them to fit... :p

 Dysartes wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Love beastmen in fantasy, but dont feel like they fit in 40k...

Any particular reason? Warp gonna warp people, after all.

.

They are too aosy?

Stomach plate instead of propper armor. And instead we see some hints of propper chaosified scrap flak armor but not enough. Instead we get stomach plates + bare combo. Basically too much Gor too little 40k beastmen regiment vibe.
No ranged weaponry in the forms of rifles.

Dudeface wrote:
No because they didn't do anything to re-engineer the armour:

They obviously had to do something, otherwise the Primaris wouldn't fit. That's the kind of re-engineering I meant.

 Hellebore wrote:

Which means that primaris are the same size as original marines, or they perform some leg shortening surgery to get them to fit... :p

Looking at the new termies beside a Primaris marine, it's more that the armor is now too tall for Firstborn to fit in there easily... Legs, torso and eye level match up neatly with Primaris proportions and scaling.

My thoughts & take-aways:

1. Lion El Johnson – pretty cool, doesn't his face sculpt look like Liam Cunningham?

2. Seraphon – seems like this was all, so NO new Skinks for the time being :( Also, the Saurus Cavalry seems massive and only three per box, as they don't have more than three models on any of the promo pics. Guess they'll be also pretty expensive. Also, I'm slightly disappointed by the Kroxigors. By no means bad, but the regular heads look a bit small and goofy.

3. Kill Team – once again you'll get the same six sprues of walls plus a handful of new gubbins, yawn. The Beastmen are spectacular. Votann are alright, the regular Hearthkyn sprues were already filled with options (including pistol and CCW arms that for some reason don't appear in the codex), and the addon sprue adds even more stuff (jump pack?!).

4. Ossiarch & Soulblight. Love the Soulblight character, great model. Ossiarch is alright. Seems like they couldn't even update the cover art of the books. And how old was the Soulblight book again?

5. Horus Heresy – no new tank Also had the hope they would tease more infantry, even if it was just a rendering.

6. Cities of Sigmar – pretty cool. Not what I expected, but cool. Good to see a unique AoS human faction. Only fear is that the models look overly detailed for basic infantry, might be a slog to paint.

7. Underworlds – don't mind the Stormcast, and the Tzeentch warband is amazing. Wish we would have got Horrors in the style of that purple daemon thing!

8. Terminators & Termagaunts – Termis look massive. Probably larger than the already rescaled Chaos Terminators and Space Marine Heroes Series 2 models. Guess it's a rule that Chaos Space Marines must always look slightly out of scale. Termagaunt looks ace, great update.

9. New 40k – I welcome all of it, and I hope they can really keep it to free datasheets plus a single page of army rules in the long run. 9th was really unplayable for the casual player. BUT I don't buy any of that Combat Patrol gunk. Clearly a marketing team invention. Has no synergy with expanding from Kill Team, and I expect that a modern set of wargaming rules allows a rewarding experience on any point level small or big. Hopefully you can easily translate it to 500 pts armies of your own.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

Which means that primaris are the same size as original marines, or they perform some leg shortening surgery to get them to fit... :p

Looking at the new termies beside a Primaris marine, it's more that the armor is now too tall for Firstborn to fit in there easily... Legs, torso and eye level match up neatly with Primaris proportions and scaling.

With current primaris models vs 15 year old marine models from a different scale era. The terminators from their era matched them perfectly. And as these aren't supposed to be DIFFERENT terminators, but those exact same ones in a new model, it's pretty clear they've given up caring about dong measuring contests between them...

What you've effectively said is that original marines are just as tall as primaris, because the original marine terminator suit has now also been scaled to the same size. It would be the equivalent of them releasing an updated tactical squad with the same proportions as a primaris.

so, watching that video, i saw:

-new phobos marines with a bolter/combi flamer (and possibly some with that black templar "pyreblaster" type flamer.)

- a new Remdeptor variant with firepower focus, twin lascannon and missle luancher, plus the chin bolters

-new termies (duh)

-new terminator libarian (im pretty sure GW doesnt have one on sale at the moment, or for a while, so new model, considering how prominent he is in the trailer.


im not familiar with the nids range much, but i believe its all new stuff as well.

pretty sweet.

Really think it's a shame to see 40k being turned into Horus Heresy 2.0 by moving closer to becoming the story of the Primarchs rather than being its own thing. Not a fan of loyalist Primarchs returning in the slightest, going to have a detrimental affect on the setting overall I think. Space Marine are already the centre of attention and now having another of their bestest superheroes suddenly returning to stop the whole Arks of Omen thning becuase oh no they couldn't have a normal character do anything that significant just feels like it's going to make things even worse.

Still a really cool model, though.

Dudeface wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
So do the new Termies mean older armour designs can potentially be re-engineered for Primaris?

I always felt Primaris were a solution to a customer perception problem, but now that they're here, setting the new benchmark, straight up upscaling older designs seems to potentially be on the cards, which could give us back the classic marks in better proportions.

No because they didn't do anything to re-engineer the armour:

Not even Belisarius Cawl is able to improve upon this ancient and holy armour pattern. Any Space Marine Veteran can earn the right to don a sacred suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour, so veterans of the Tyrannic Wars and the Indomitus Crusade alike are clad in these suits of revered ceremite.

Which means either primaris can't field them or that's seriously cramped armour for them needing to cram head taller guy into same suit as firstborn

YAY NEW GAUNTS!!

I like that they are revised not fully redesigned, surprised a little that they didn't go with a super thin gaunt appearance, but very solid release. Also excited that I might get gaunts that dont have horrible split head parts that are a nightmare to put together cleanly.


Also the video showed off a lot of things. Looks like we are getting the DOOM Zoanthrope hero, or at least a Zoanthrope style hero with tentacles!

A screamer killer that has a more insectoid head and a design that harkens back to its earlier days (looks like a mix of all 3 generations honestly; the upright of the original; the beetle/insect of the 2nd update and the overall aesthetics of the current).
I also saw biovores and lictors so I really hope those are finally coming in plastic (which I hope means pyrovore gets to come along as well with the bio in an update); which would then mean that Tyranids would have a 100% modern army with 100% no finecast!




AoS side I really wish they'd given the Ossiarchs another unit or such, but it looks like they are getting a support healer for larger things which is welcome and honestly with Seraphon and Cities taking big releases this year AoS isn't hurting overall. The new Vampire leader looks great (even if I'm personally not a big fan of their hats).

Seraphon getting big chunky new cavalry that are, again, really nice to see BIG and detailed as well as more updated old models.

New Tzeentch models look utterly ace!


Overall a really solid slew of releases and our first look at the Cities of Sigmar!!

 Overread wrote:


Seraphon getting big chunky new cavalry that are, again, really nice to see BIG and detailed as well as more updated old models.

Think the saurus cavalry is different unit to old saurus cavalry. Aka the old cavalry kit might be remaining.

Different unit size, different base size and with that different model size. If the old kit doesn't remain then in essence the old cavalry models are without rules to use.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Something to note is that since the new Terminators are basically just upscaled versions of the old ones, they can be used as true scale Indomitus Terminators for the Horus Heresy without having the issue of needing to get rid of any Primaris stuff.

Just make sure you don't confuse them with your contemptors on the tabletop.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, watching that video, i saw:

-new phobos marines with a bolter/combi flamer (and possibly some with that black templar "pyreblaster" type flamer.)

- a new Remdeptor variant with firepower focus, twin lascannon and missle luancher, plus the chin bolters

-new termies (duh)

-new terminator libarian (im pretty sure GW doesnt have one on sale at the moment, or for a while, so new model, considering how prominent he is in the trailer.


im not familiar with the nids range much, but i believe its all new stuff as well.

pretty sweet.

There's also a Apothecary in Gravis Armour.

tneva82 wrote:


Think the saurus cavalry is different unit to old saurus cavalry. Aka the old cavalry kit might be remaining.

Different unit size, different base size and with that different model size. If the old kit doesn't remain then in essence the old cavalry models are without rules to use.

I'm expecting a change in rules for this unit instead. The old kit is oop and the riders would clash drastically with the newly established saurus design. They would also be dwarfed by the new skink riders. If the Seraphon are supposed to be cross compatible with ToW eventually (which is very likely), the old saurus cav would look out of place.

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


Think the saurus cavalry is different unit to old saurus cavalry. Aka the old cavalry kit might be remaining.

Different unit size, different base size and with that different model size. If the old kit doesn't remain then in essence the old cavalry models are without rules to use.

I'm expecting a change in rules for this unit instead. The old kit is oop and the riders would clash drastically with the newly established saurus design. They would also be dwarfed by the new skink riders. If the Seraphon are supposed to be cross compatible with ToW eventually (which is very likely), the old saurus cav would look out of place.

Agreed and honestly its not the first time GW has upgraded the size of a model. A lot of old mounted units were running around on tiny mounts. I fully expect to one day see GW upgrade the size of regular Seekers for Slaanesh to be closer to the exalted ones.

Wow I can't believe I forgot about this and had breakfast before checking the internet.

My real time reacts, in the order I randomly opened browser tabs:

Seraphon: Pretty cool, bit of a shame Kroxis look like just upscaled Saurus and not their own thing

Lion: Cool model, glad they didn't repeat the obnoxious filigree of Guilliman and made Lion pretty utilitarian looking. But the facial hair looks more appropriate for Russ / Dorn.

Kill Team: Hot damn, the Beastmen look so good they give me shivers. Why were new bestmen of this quality not added to AoS???

Gaunts: Whatever.

Wyrdhollow: My favorite Stormcasts yet, they look really individualistic. The Tzeentch stuff... what the heck am I even looking at? Too weird, too random.

Cities of Sigmar: Pretty cool blinged up medieval soldiers.

Ossiarch and Soulblight heroes: Pretty strong sculpts.

40k new edition: My mind is blown, they are actually doing a full rewrite again. I'll give it a fair shot as I did to every major rewrite before. I do like the new datasheet.

HH: Are you serious, not one model reveal?