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To be fair, didn’t realise we were discussing Super Heavy Bugs.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
To be fair, didn’t realise we were discussing Super Heavy Bugs.

NP I am just angry that they gave so shity shooting to something that supposed to be a huge threat in fluff.

The Hierophant needs an entire new model 2-3 times larger if you want it to be like the fluff.

 Tyran wrote:
The Hierophant needs an entire new model 2-3 times larger if you want it to be like the fluff.

Many models are downsized to be playable on tabletop but that aside, it also depends what fluff we are talking. If my memory is correct then Anphelion Project lists it as something about 11,5-13,5 metres tall.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
The Hierophant needs an entire new model 2-3 times larger if you want it to be like the fluff.

Many models are downsized to be playable on tabletop but that aside, it also depends what fluff we are talking. If my memory is correct then Anphelion Project lists it as something about 11,5-13,5 metres tall.

Anphelion Project also has one killed by grenades. And the other physical stats given (like weight) make no sense.

Meanwhile Warriors of Ultrama has one being bigger than a Capitol Imperialis (so 50+ meters tall at the very least) and you can find sources in which they fist fight (talon fight?) Warlord Titans which would put them in the 35+ meters.

The fluff is inconsistent, but if your criteria is "huge threat in fluff" then you need to go with the larger, Walord Titan sized or bigger interpretations.

 Tyran wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
The Hierophant needs an entire new model 2-3 times larger if you want it to be like the fluff.

Many models are downsized to be playable on tabletop but that aside, it also depends what fluff we are talking. If my memory is correct then Anphelion Project lists it as something about 11,5-13,5 metres tall.

Anphelion Project also has one killed by grenades. And the other physical stats given (like weight) make no sense.

Meanwhile Warriors of Ultrama has one being bigger than a Capitol Imperialis (so 50+ meters tall at the very least) and you can find sources in which they fist fight (talon fight?) Warlord Titans which would put them in the 35+ meters.

The fluff is inconsistent, but if your criteria is "huge threat in fluff." then you need to go with the larger, Walord Titan sized or bigger interpretations.

I said that it depends on which fluff we are talking so I agree that it is inconsistent. Although BL is beaten in sources hierarchy by codex/IA, and authors sometimes do not know what they are writing about. BTW my memory from reading Warriors of Ultramar is vague but was it not simply named there as biotitan rather than Hierophant (so it could be a Hydraphant there)? Anyway, I agree that being destroyed by grenades in AP was rather stupid unless they were some super inquisitorial Jokaero made ones. That aside being a huge threat deas not automatically equal Warlord as even Warhound is extremally dangerous if you have not enough firepower. All in all I think we agree that our FW bugs should have weapons which have more S than 9-10, especially when codex bug has (as it should BTW) S18 one?

 Tyran wrote:
Meanwhile Warriors of Ultrama has one being bigger than a Capitol Imperialis (so 50+ meters tall at the very least) and you can find sources in which they fist fight (talon fight?) Warlord Titans which would put them in the 35+ meters.

Warriors of Ultramar was based on the Epic depictions of the bio-titans, before the Forge World scale switcheroo. Originally (in Epic) the Hierodule and Hierophant were two sizes of bio-titan, roughly Warhound and Warlord sized respectively. When FW made the resin models they made the FW Hierophant the size of the Epic Hierodule, and the FW Hierodule the size of the Epic assault spawn (Dactylis, Exocrine, Trygon, Malefactor).

It isn't an issue of downsizing for tabletop play or lore inconsistency; it was a deliberate reimagining and scale change.

 catbarf wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Meanwhile Warriors of Ultrama has one being bigger than a Capitol Imperialis (so 50+ meters tall at the very least) and you can find sources in which they fist fight (talon fight?) Warlord Titans which would put them in the 35+ meters.

Warriors of Ultramar was based on the Epic depictions of the bio-titans, before the Forge World scale switcheroo. Originally (in Epic) the Hierodule and Hierophant were two sizes of bio-titan, roughly Warhound and Warlord sized respectively. When FW made the resin models they made the FW Hierophant the size of the Epic Hierodule, and the FW Hierodule the size of the Epic assault spawn (Dactylis, Exocrine, Trygon, Malefactor).

It isn't an issue of downsizing for tabletop play or lore inconsistency; it was a deliberate reimagining and scale change.

Eh it still an issue of lore inconsistency, as BL has mostly stuck to the old Epic scale when writing Hierophants (as they need them to be Warlord equivalents for the occasional Titan vs Tyranid matchup).

 Tyran wrote:


Eh it still an issue of lore inconsistency, as BL has mostly stuck to the old Epic scale when writing Hierophants (as they need them to be Warlord equivalents for the occasional Titan vs Tyranid matchup).

They could use Hydraphants

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I said that it depends on which fluff we are talking so I agree that it is inconsistent. Although BL is beaten in sources hierarchy by codex/IA, and authors sometimes do not know what they are writing about. BTW my memory from reading Warriors of Ultramar is vague but was it not simply named there as biotitan rather than Hierophant (so it could be a Hydraphant there)? Anyway, I agree that being destroyed by grenades in AP was rather stupid unless they were some super inquisitorial Jokaero made ones. That aside being a huge threat deas not automatically equal Warlord as even Warhound is extremally dangerous if you have not enough firepower. All in all I think we agree that our FW bugs should have weapons which have more S than 9-10, especially when codex bug has (as it should BTW) S18 one?

As I understand it, GW has mostly tried to avoid weapons that have a lot of attacks and high strength. The dire bio-cannons had the issue of having a lot of attacks and high strength, so they had to lose one.
As another example, the warhound titan plasma gun is S9, 10 when overcharged.

 Tyran wrote:

As another example, the warhound titan plasma gun is S9, 10 when overcharged.

Yeah, but it can replace both weapon arms with Warhound turbo-laser destructor, which has S20. Our bugs have no options :(

And remember folks.

Open Season tomorrow for that campaign season.

We win? We get to see our new toys first!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And remember folks.

Open Season tomorrow for that campaign season.

We win? We get to see our new toys first!

It is a 40k, there is no hope (for non SM players )!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And remember folks.

Open Season tomorrow for that campaign season.

We win? We get to see our new toys first!

Nope, monday:

Once the campaign begins on the 26th of June, you’ll have 13 days to muster your forces, and log the results of your first game playing the new edition.

Also remember the alternative email method if you don't have a Leviathan box:

Entry route 2 - Alternative Method of Entry (AMOE)

4.1.2 Entry is free by emailing competitions@gwplc.com during the Entry Period and telling us in a minimum of 150 words why you like either Space Marines or Tyranids. The email must be titled “Leviathan Prize Draw”. No purchase is necessary for this AMOE.

Awww!

Still. We’ll need every Nid player to record their results all the same. We don’t have numbers on our side.

 Tyran wrote:
I just want them to have bigger more stable bases.

Tru Dat. And not have to put coins under the bases to keep them from falling over.

Dudeface wrote:

Acehilator wrote:
The should have given the role of the Malantrophe to the Psychophage. The model looks perfect for it without any changes. Nothing about the model even hints at its anti-psyker capabilities. Such a giant missed opportunity. So annoying.

What visual prompts would you be looking for in an anti-psyker? It's worth noting it likes to eat them to break them down for fuel, not that it is designed to hunt them was the impression I got. Feeder bug, not assassination bug.

No idea, really. But I am not a model designer. Why would a general-use feeder bug have special psyker-related abilities? Makes no sense given how rare they are on the battlefield. It's not some random mutation either. Just a random rule tacked onto the model for whatever reason. If Nids decided they needed an anti-psyker specialist, it would be psychic based itself. Like the Neurotyrant. Just with some real mind bullets, and not the anemic flamer it got, lol.

Since the 10th thread is closed, just a heads up. Queues are back live for tomorrow.

Size comparison for Zoanthrope and Neurotyrant.

Interesting. Not a beastie I paid any attention. I thought it would be larger. Happy that it's not, though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And remember folks.

Open Season tomorrow for that campaign season.

We win? We get to see our new toys first!

Aim for a draw, then they'll have to show us both sides.

I was happy that our FW bugs have at least good S with cc weapons but forgot to check that their AP there is a pathetic -2 when even Hive Crone's Thorax Spur has AP-3.

Got my boxed set. No bag with it so bit of a job getting it home in the heat.

Soon get these bugs built. Then on Monday, Marine half off to its new home, as I’m doing a Swapsie.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Got my boxed set. No bag with it so bit of a job getting it home in the heat.

Soon get these bugs built. Then on Monday, Marine half off to its new home, as I’m doing a Swapsie.

Fun fact - at least one of the GW backpacks that they give away with their store anniversaries - can hold GW sized boxed sets

Not sure that’s right 🤣🤣

Also…where’s me tools? I had them the other day.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Got my boxed set. No bag with it so bit of a job getting it home in the heat.

Soon get these bugs built. Then on Monday, Marine half off to its new home, as I’m doing a Swapsie.

Great stuff! Currently waiting on my mates order to arrive - he's after the marines and ordered 2sets so might take a box with the Marines swapped out for all the Nids.. looking forward to building them all..

As far as Biotitan sizes go, easy cop out is that these things grow rather than are manufactured. So a heirophant could be anything from Warhound sized as a juvenile to rivalling a Warlord if allowed to reach full size.

 Tastyfish wrote:
As far as Biotitan sizes go, easy cop out is that these things grow rather than are manufactured. So a heirophant could be anything from Warhound sized as a juvenile to rivalling a Warlord if allowed to reach full size.

That is a great idea, and also offers a convenient crutch to have Tyranids on the defense in some scenarios, which is usually not that easy to justify fluff-wise. Instead of e.g. Ammo Depots and Maintenance/R&R areas, 'growing' Titans could need relatively safe areas where they can shed their too-small armour and are vulnerable(-ish) until their new armoured shells harden and are ready for combat again.

Leviathan has landed and --- I think GW either mixed up 28 and 25mm bases on the build guide or the bases in the pack for the gaunts.

 Overread wrote:
Leviathan has landed and --- I think GW either mixed up 28 and 25mm bases on the build guide or the bases in the pack for the gaunts.

You should have 10x25mm for the neuroguants, plus 2x25mm for the neuroloids. Then the neurogaunt leader gets a 28mm, as do all the termagants.

I had like one 28mm base spare after sorting through everything