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Breton wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:


Depends on if you play the way they're pushing you to. Roll 8 Dice - not quite a 50/50 to get two sixes. Have some Icons in units on objectives, reroll a few dice to get not quite 50/50 another 6. A lot of these abilities are part of the new Troops Carrot/stick. AOS was the trial baloon to get rid of requiring Troops, all these "on an objective" abilities, especially for The Basic Units Formerly Known as Troops are the way they're not going to force you, just strongly strongly encourage you to take

??
You & I must not be playing the same editions of AoS....
Because for AoS Matched Play you 100% have to take x # of Battleline (what your calling "troops") units.
It's spelled out for you on a chart based on size of game along with how may units of other types you may/must include.

 alextroy wrote:
We can definitely hope for more nuanced World Eater units that do more than charge, hack, and slash. Still, what do you expect from a bunch of guys with the Butcher Nails in their heads?

I don't expect them to be able to secure objectives let alone get bonuses from it, so there you go. The next WE unit can be a tacticool stealthy sniper for all I know.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
We can definitely hope for more nuanced World Eater units that do more than charge, hack, and slash. Still, what do you expect from a bunch of guys with the Butcher Nails in their heads?

I don't expect them to be able to secure objectives let alone get bonuses from it, so there you go. The next WE unit can be a tacticool stealthy sniper for all I know.

Lol. Many of the games where I've played my WE have come down to me holding objectives because that's where I've killed my opponents pieces.
1st because I charged them there, then2nd when I was counter-charged....

ccs wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
We can definitely hope for more nuanced World Eater units that do more than charge, hack, and slash. Still, what do you expect from a bunch of guys with the Butcher Nails in their heads?

I don't expect them to be able to secure objectives let alone get bonuses from it, so there you go. The next WE unit can be a tacticool stealthy sniper for all I know.

Lol. Many of the games where I've played my WE have come down to me holding objectives because that's where I've killed my opponents pieces.
1st because I charged them there, then2nd when I was counter-charged....

Yeah, this is what I do expect from them.

Breton wrote:


That turn. I've been hoping they'll leak what happens after you're battleshocked. Can you Un-Battleshock (Rally Phase?) yourself? Do you have to be at least 25%/50% strength?

I think you auto-rally. In the discription of the effects of battleshock, it explictly says "until the START of your next command phase, that unit is Battle-shocked ". Emphasis mine, but clearly its something auto-recover form.

unless thiers some rule in place that states a unit battleshocked on the enemy turn as a direct result of thier action stays battleshocked through your turn, then the effects of "out of sequence" battleshocking would likely just be limited to your enemies turn. that would still matter, they would fight worse in melee, not be supportable with strats, etc.

scource:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/18/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-makes-all-the-phases-count/

they would fight worse in melee, not be supportable with strats,

Only the latter. Battleshock doesn't affect combat or shooting.

But yes, you definitely auto rally (and then test again if you're below half strength).

 AtoMaki wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
We can definitely hope for more nuanced World Eater units that do more than charge, hack, and slash. Still, what do you expect from a bunch of guys with the Butcher Nails in their heads?

I don't expect them to be able to secure objectives let alone get bonuses from it, so there you go. The next WE unit can be a tacticool stealthy sniper for all I know.

I'm hoping someone from GW reads/read the Incarnations of Immortality series and decides to recycle that "controlled berserker" thing from the Incarnation of War book. Such that the Butcher's Nails ebb and flow as they need to fight, or think/control objectives etc.


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ccs wrote:

Breton wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:


Depends on if you play the way they're pushing you to. Roll 8 Dice - not quite a 50/50 to get two sixes. Have some Icons in units on objectives, reroll a few dice to get not quite 50/50 another 6. A lot of these abilities are part of the new Troops Carrot/stick. AOS was the trial baloon to get rid of requiring Troops, all these "on an objective" abilities, especially for The Basic Units Formerly Known as Troops are the way they're not going to force you, just strongly strongly encourage you to take

??
You & I must not be playing the same editions of AoS....
Because for AoS Matched Play you 100% have to take x # of Battleline (what your calling "troops") units.
It's spelled out for you on a chart based on size of game along with how may units of other types you may/must include.

I'm not sure what's going on here? I don't play AOS, and you have Penitent Jake saying something I actually said - you may not have clipped your quotes correctly on the matched quote and /quote tags?

Edit: nvm

There are some quotes attributed to me on this page that I did not post.

It was already leaked that only one miniature was not revealed nor tested and it is a Berzerker-Surgeon.

That's what WE are going to get in 10th. They will be a "1 miniature + Codex" release.

Perhaps in 11th it will be different.

PenitentJake wrote:
There are some quotes attributed to me on this page that I did not post.

tracing the train of quotes, it seems that particular quote ("Depends on if you play the way they're pushing you to. Roll 8 Dice - not quite a 50/50 to get two sixes..."etc ) is originally form Breton, in a message where he was quoting you. Im guessing that someone just messed up when pruning the quote tree down, and it ended up in a quote box with your name on it.

Looking at the mechanicus preview, Rad Bombardment is neat. Seems like potentially a lot of rolling for not much effect, but I like the idea of having a rule that represents some pre-battle efforts. Giving opponents the choice of being battle shocked vs taking damage on turn 1 seems like a decent way to give opponents a way of interacting with it too.

I could see something vaguely similar being used to represent tricky factions like Alpha Legion, Poisoned Tongue, etc. who generally try to stack the deck in their favor before the fight begins.

Chaos will not get any rule like that, because GW hates chaos.

Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

Dudeface wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

I'm ready to pitch in $20 for someone to leak the damn book already....barring that then the cards for one army.

I think its the tedious choices.

A troops unit is good.
The main faction special character you may or may not own/use - "meh".
Some super-gun, often on a current LoW you may or may not own/use - "meh".
(Maybe its my lack of Timmy...)

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

Tyel wrote:
I think its the tedious choices.

A troops unit is good.
The main faction special character you may or may not own/use - "meh".
Some super-gun, often on a current LoW you may or may not own/use - "meh".
(Maybe its my lack of Timmy...)

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

In the interest of giving us no useful information whatsoever, it will be something like the Yncarne and barebones Guardians

Tsagualsa wrote:
In the interest of giving us no useful information whatsoever, it will be something like the Yncarne and barebones Guardians

"In case you were wondering... Storm Guardians are still not worth taking."

Tyel wrote:

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

If it's an asuryani update, I think you've probably guessed it exactly right. Maybe the wraith knight instead of the Avatar. They'll probably show off Eldrad instead of a farseer.

That said, it's labeled as an "aeldari" preview rather than asuryani. Not sure if that's because they've given up on making the term "asuryani" a thing (non-eldar players all seem to think that "aeldari" means "craftworlders") or if it's because they're going to lump a bunch of the pointy ears together for a single preview.

Harlies and Ynnari are in the Aeldari datacard box so they're all together at the moment. No idea if the article will try and deal with all of those factions or if they'll all be one mash up until the codex(es).

 Wyldhunt wrote:

Tyel wrote:

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

If it's an asuryani update, I think you've probably guessed it exactly right. Maybe the wraith knight instead of the Avatar. They'll probably show off Eldrad instead of a farseer.

That said, it's labeled as an "aeldari" preview rather than asuryani. Not sure if that's because they've given up on making the term "asuryani" a thing (non-eldar players all seem to think that "aeldari" means "craftworlders") or if it's because they're going to lump a bunch of the pointy ears together for a single preview.

Given the stat nerfs we've seen to BS and Sv/invuln on several factions (the skitarii went from 4+ to 5+ and from 5++ to 6++) Imagine the guardians will go back to 5+ (Despite wearing full body suits of carapace armour on the models...) and probably drop to BS/WS 4+.

One of the few things I've liked about the eldar in the later editions is the guardians not turning into tissue paper that get slaughtered in droves, given how obsessive the eldar are about protecting their population. Will be pissed if they lose even more survivability.

Unless they're getting some kind of army wide 'speed protection' bonus, they will go back to being the most advanced horde army in the game...

I want to see what they've done to Wraithguard/Wraithlords.

But yeah, it'll be some random stuff: Corsairs, Yncarne and the sword that Wraith Knights have.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

I'm ready to pitch in $20 for someone to leak the damn book already....barring that then the cards for one army.

That's closer to accurate. The controlled release means only a couple new things show up - if that - and we're ready to start parsing bigger chucks of interactions.


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Tyel wrote:
I think its the tedious choices.

A troops unit is good.
The main faction special character you may or may not own/use - "meh".
Some super-gun, often on a current LoW you may or may not own/use - "meh".
(Maybe its my lack of Timmy...)

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

The Eldar character will tell us more about where they're going with the Eldar than it will tell us about the special character - the Avatar will be generic Eldar, Uldrad means they'll get an Ulthwe focus this edition, Yncarne etc....

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

I'm ready to pitch in $20 for someone to leak the damn book already....barring that then the cards for one army.

We're talking probably around a month until the pre-order window starts, and then another couple of weeks until release - do you really not have the patience to wait that long?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

I'm ready to pitch in $20 for someone to leak the damn book already....barring that then the cards for one army.

We're talking probably around a month until the pre-order window starts, and then another couple of weeks until release - do you really not have the patience to wait that long?

For me this is the "painting catch up window" so the backlog is minimised before a big box lands, so happy to wait.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:

Tyel wrote:

I mean what are we thinking for Eldar tommorow? Guardians, the Avatar and a Fire Prism gun? The guardians admittedly interest me. I imagine however the Avatar will be choppy and the Prism Cannon will be shooty.

I guess there could be some expansion on Harlequins/Ynnari/Corsairs etc. But given limited space I wouldn't bet on it.

If it's an asuryani update, I think you've probably guessed it exactly right. Maybe the wraith knight instead of the Avatar. They'll probably show off Eldrad instead of a farseer.

That said, it's labeled as an "aeldari" preview rather than asuryani. Not sure if that's because they've given up on making the term "asuryani" a thing (non-eldar players all seem to think that "aeldari" means "craftworlders") or if it's because they're going to lump a bunch of the pointy ears together for a single preview.

Given the stat nerfs we've seen to BS and Sv/invuln on several factions (the skitarii went from 4+ to 5+ and from 5++ to 6++) Imagine the guardians will go back to 5+ (Despite wearing full body suits of carapace armour on the models...) and probably drop to BS/WS 4+.

One of the few things I've liked about the eldar in the later editions is the guardians not turning into tissue paper that get slaughtered in droves, given how obsessive the eldar are about protecting their population. Will be pissed if they lose even more survivability.

Unless they're getting some kind of army wide 'speed protection' bonus, they will go back to being the most advanced horde army in the game...

I'm expecting CWE to have Fate Dice as the Army faction rule instead of a speed bonus. So if we're hoping for a "enemy models have -1 to Hit outside X inches" or "enemy models have -1 hit if you advanced" speed bonus kind of rule it will probably be limited to detachment or the unit.

I'm expecting Guardians to drop to BS/WS 4+ but I'm hopeful they keep the better Armor Save. I just really, really, hope they don't nerf the catapult ranges again.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Seems people are a bit sick of the slow drip of information being released based on the post frequency here today.

It's more that we're at a point where unless it's your faction or a big chunk of core rules there's isn't much more other than wanting the rules themselves.

I'm ready to pitch in $20 for someone to leak the damn book already....barring that then the cards for one army.

We're talking probably around a month until the pre-order window starts, and then another couple of weeks until release - do you really not have the patience to wait that long?

In age of internet patience is short on supply

Personally have no interest playing with leaked pdf's and gw games are solved so quickly no need to even get rules this early to have it solved for first game so no rush.

Famous last words, but I'll be surprised if Guardians are BS4+ etc unless - like the other supposedly nerfed factions - they have easy access to +1 to hit bringing them back to a 3+ built in.

tneva82 809431 11534251 wrote:

In age of internet patience is short on supply

Personally have no interest playing with leaked pdf's and gw games are solved so quickly no need to even get rules this early to have it solved for first game so no rush.

It is kind of a important to know, if you are not buying bad units for future edition, or have the potential last call to sell units or even an army, which maybe impossible to sell as 10th progresses. If lets say DW in 10th were to be like regular assault termintors, only more expensive and with worse rules per point costs, a player who owns 30 would probably want to know it right now and not a week in to the edition. And that is just the regular players, if someone is in to tournaments, starting to train for the next seson with the next set of rules, before others do gives a huge adventage. Even if it is just play test rules based games.