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And Horus Heresy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I still think its weird that the Dominus class knights are entirely absent from both Adeptus Titanicus and now Legions Imperialis.

Personally I'm fine for them to remain in the 41st millenium along with with Repulsors, Storm Speeders, and other over-engineered imperial vehicles that were designed by applying glue and rolling them around in a bits box full of spare guns.

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I still think its weird that the Dominus class knights are entirely absent from both Adeptus Titanicus and now Legions Imperialis.

Personally I'm fine for them to remain in the 41st millenium along with with Repulsors, Storm Speeders, and other over-engineered imperial vehicles that were designed by applying glue and rolling them around in a bits box full of spare guns.

and the bits the orks said no to at that

 xttz wrote:
To try and bring the thread back on topic... this facebook page has posted pictures of LI models painted on behalf of MWG:



Interestingly the full photo includes:

The contents of a core box

An extra set each of marine & solar infantry/walkers

4 Kratos

2 Baneblades

Content creators typically get standard retail products, so this implies that the basic infantry will be sold separately as a box of two sprues. It also may mean that the Baneblade & Kratos will be part of the first wave, while omission of rhinos could indicate they come later.

The only thing that worries me a bit is that there are only two Baneblades in that picture. Didn't we get a confirmation on Facebook that there was 4 in a box?

If its 2 in a box they better not be 40 to 50 quid ( which they will be) !

leopard wrote:

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I still think its weird that the Dominus class knights are entirely absent from both Adeptus Titanicus and now Legions Imperialis.

Personally I'm fine for them to remain in the 41st millenium along with with Repulsors, Storm Speeders, and other over-engineered imperial vehicles that were designed by applying glue and rolling them around in a bits box full of spare guns.

and the bits the orks said no to at that

Think that sums up the current state of 40k Space Marine models. A few nice ones here and there, but then we get Desolators and Centurions.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm pretty sure that if GW was indeed aiming at a whale market above everything else their stores would be geared up for them,

but they're really geared up to sell (fairly forcefully) to new customers, and as of 4 or 5 years ago when i was regularly in touch with a member of staff their training (and store survival metrics) were all geared up for new players

They hammer on this in interviews but in practice, I rarely see it. I've been to 3 stores all in different states hundreds of times. I can count the number of demo games I've seen to new players on 1 hand. It's usually veterans playing Sigmar or a specialist game because the FLGS only has 40k players. The ones I've been to would make a lot more money stocking specialist games than starter boxes, as all the starter boxes they got in the initial shipment just sit on a shelf collecting dust.

Toofast wrote:
They hammer on this in interviews but in practice, I rarely see it. I've been to 3 stores all in different states hundreds of times. I can count the number of demo games I've seen to new players on 1 hand. It's usually veterans playing Sigmar or a specialist game because the FLGS only has 40k players. The ones I've been to would make a lot more money stocking specialist games than starter boxes, as all the starter boxes they got in the initial shipment just sit on a shelf collecting dust.

I suspect this is a case of applying UK concepts inappropriately to the US market. Focusing on demo games works great in the UK, where stores are in high-traffic areas and get people stopping to take a look even if they've never heard of any GW games. It's a terrible plan in the US, where stores are in the cheapest possible strip mall and nobody even knows the store exists unless they're already a customer.

 Zewrath wrote:


The only thing that worries me a bit is that there are only two Baneblades in that picture. Didn't we get a confirmation on Facebook that there was 4 in a box?

Yeah:



Possible that WarCom got it wrong, or that these guys just didn't get the extra Baneblades painted up in time for the photo.

Maybe its two Baneblades to a sprue( like two cerastus knights ) and will be packaged as two sprues; the painter may have only received one sprue.

I think it maybe that it’s at the point bracket they are going to play at.
Possibly a 3k army, since all painted the same.

its a nice looking force, it also looks utterly impractical as infantry have to walk, meaning they will be dead before they get anywhere

but as an indication for the sort of size force it looks good

leopard wrote:
its a nice looking force, it also looks utterly impractical as infantry have to walk, meaning they will be dead before they get anywhere

but as an indication for the sort of size force it looks good

I wonder if they didn’t get any rhino boxes, or the other force is being built for more speed and using them. Guess we will find out when they post videos.
Wonder if the date for those have been changed as well now.

I think we are overthinking this, they probably just didn't paint everything they were sent, either because what's shown is a full points army or they didn't have tome

Apple fox wrote:

leopard wrote:
its a nice looking force, it also looks utterly impractical as infantry have to walk, meaning they will be dead before they get anywhere

but as an indication for the sort of size force it looks good

I wonder if they didn’t get any rhino boxes, or the other force is being built for more speed and using them. Guess we will find out when they post videos.
Wonder if the date for those have been changed as well now.

I think implicit in the book re-printing is holding off reviews for a later date. I'm guessing this was also part of GW's reasoning for re-print, if influencers were emailing endless questions and or "are you sure you want me/us to review this in its currents state?". I can't help but think even the channels/blogs/people that would usually praise most releases would have to at least mention the current state of the rules on release and that'd likely be a very mixed bag to have to swallow. Anecdotally a lot of online epic communities/rulesets have had a mixed reaction at best to the new game being based off 2nd edition space marine. Seems like too much of a perfect storm/I told ya so moment for those on the fence.

 Crablezworth wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

leopard wrote:
its a nice looking force, it also looks utterly impractical as infantry have to walk, meaning they will be dead before they get anywhere

but as an indication for the sort of size force it looks good

I wonder if they didn’t get any rhino boxes, or the other force is being built for more speed and using them. Guess we will find out when they post videos.
Wonder if the date for those have been changed as well now.

I think implicit in the book re-printing is holding off reviews for a later date. I'm guessing this was also part of GW's reasoning for re-print, if influencers were emailing endless questions and or "are you sure you want me/us to review this in its currents state?". I can't help but think even the channels/blogs/people that would usually praise most releases would have to at least mention the current state of the rules on release and that'd likely be a very mixed bag to have to swallow. Anecdotally a lot of online epic communities/rulesets have had a mixed reaction at best to the new game being based off 2nd edition space marine. Seems like too much of a perfect storm/I told ya so moment for those on the fence.

That’s interesting, this is the only game I haven’t play from GW. So I cannot compare to any previous rules specifically, so I only been looking at what’s been posted here or Warhammer community.

It would be nice to see more creator pushback if the rules are as a whole quite difficult or bad >,<

Honestly I most interested in the tiles at this point, as I don’t want the solar auxilia or the titans in the box.
So rules have been a wait for a full review sorta deal, why reading here for any possible news.

by now this is all speculation as there was no reason given and the details we have is from people breaking the NDA (or not taking it more relaxed)

what we know is that the book needed to be send back, the release is delayed with no date given and that any reviews or reporting about the game from people who got a copy is on hold until release

and of course influencer are on hold as GW want to have a good timing for the release and not everyone doing it now and there is nothing when people actually can buy it

we don't know if the rules were there reason why it was delayed as other rumours are saying there was a problematic quote (and be aware, this is an international release, so just because it does not matter in the UK or US does not mean it is not a problem for GW)

this would be the very first time GW cared enough about the rules to re-print a book and hold a release, while re-printing because they would get into troubles in one country with a name happend before
and there is the possibility, if a quote was the problem, this is also the only thing that will be corrected

If (and it's a big 'if') the book has been pulped and reprinted, then it really depends on when the problem was identified, when it was corrected, and what the problem was.

My company prints in the Far East, and once the books are off the press, shipping typically takes around six weeks. Redacting a single problematic quote would have been a plotter proof correction, which is very swiftly made and would require nothing more than swapping a PDF page, then an electronic thumbs-up.

In this scenario, taking into account scale (I'm guessing GW prints more than our relatively specialist works), frantic repacking of boxes at GWHQ and the inevitable slippage, GW could still launch Legiones Imperialis within three months.

I don't know when preview stuff goes to 'influencers', but if anyone does know, we could hazard a guess as to that date being T-3 months in an optimistic but realistic timescale – so release in October or even September isn't beyond the realms of reason.

A more substantial set of changes, which required more substantial editorial work, reproofing and so forth, would add a few more weeks to that. It'll vary hugely between publishing houses, but if GW really put noses to grindstones; I would think that a more pessimistic timescale would still see see it delivered within six months from identification of the problem.

 Apologist wrote:
In this scenario, taking into account scale (I'm guessing GW prints more than our relatively specialist works), frantic repacking of boxes at GWHQ and the inevitable slippage, GW could still launch Legiones Imperialis within three months.

I don't know when preview stuff goes to 'influencers', but if anyone does know, we could hazard a guess as to that date being T-3 months in an optimistic but realistic timescale – so release in October or even September isn't beyond the realms of reason.

Preview material is typically sent out around a month before release so the influencers have time to get their stuff painted, photographed, and possibly record games being played with it. LI was most likely sent out in early-mid July.

We know that GW do use UK-based printers when needed, one was specifically named in a Painting Phase video. They would obviously cost more, but the quicker turnaround in this case could mean the difference between Epic launching in 2023 or 2024.

It's plausible that GW could get reprints done in just a few weeks, but then their challenge is to get those books out to their regional distribution hubs and arrange for people to re-pack the boxes sitting in warehouses. The alternative of recalling boxes back to Nottingham would likely require shipping containers in both directions and definitely delay the release for quite a long time.

I'm sorry, where did this about book reprinting come from? I don't recall seeing it anywhere in this thread prior to the current page, a quick search through the last few pages shows nothing on the topic, etc. Its like it suddenly came out of nowhere as a known fact that everybody seems to know about without any prior discussion of it.

Check out page 87 onwards

Bolter and Chainsword, one of the people who got a copy talked about it when the WC announcement came up
being that GW asked them send the book back and keep the rest for later
this is also the source that the there were a lot of errors (the usual copy&paste stuff) in the book
while a different one came up that there is an unappropriate historical quote used that could be the reason why the book was called back

FW has a long and colored history about copy pasta errors (and an utter lack of proofreading) so I'm really curious what they might have done to actually cause a recall on the book. As for an inappropriate historical quote, I'm really curious what that could possibly be such that it could cause a recall.

I'd love to know what the historical quote was if that's true.

Seems we get to see Solar Auxilia Artillery next week.

Warhammer Community wrote: We’re dipping back into Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis next week, with some impressive cannons big enough to shake the earth.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems we get to see Solar Auxilia Artillery next week.

Warhammer Community wrote: We’re dipping back into Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis next week, with some impressive cannons big enough to shake the earth.

A silhouette for Arquitors was shown in the space marine article, so perhaps those and basilisks get revealed together in an artillery themed article?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd love to know what the historical quote was if that's true.

"Magnus did nothing wrong"
- Adolf Hitler, 1944

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd love to know what the historical quote was if that's true.

"Magnus did nothing wrong"
- Adolf Hitler, 1944

LMAO

Toofast wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm pretty sure that if GW was indeed aiming at a whale market above everything else their stores would be geared up for them,

but they're really geared up to sell (fairly forcefully) to new customers, and as of 4 or 5 years ago when i was regularly in touch with a member of staff their training (and store survival metrics) were all geared up for new players

They hammer on this in interviews but in practice, I rarely see it. I've been to 3 stores all in different states hundreds of times. I can count the number of demo games I've seen to new players on 1 hand. It's usually veterans playing Sigmar or a specialist game because the FLGS only has 40k players. The ones I've been to would make a lot more money stocking specialist games than starter boxes, as all the starter boxes they got in the initial shipment just sit on a shelf collecting dust.

Every store is different and every city is different. Sometimes you'll see trends, but 3 different stores hardly establishes a pattern across 500+ stores worldwide that are all supposed to be running the same plan.

What I will say is that the Warhammer stores are 1-man stores. Hard to run demo-games, even on slow days, when you've got a dozen other things to do in a day. The demo games I've seen are usually very short examples of gameplay that help explain the game to little kids getting into the hobby, either because of a game or video, or because their parents want to encourage development of fine motor skills etc.

Enough of this though. If you want to know more about how GW sells their products, watch this video from Peachy and crew on the Painting Phase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-63A7cDkOm8

I guarantee most Dakkaites will learn something from this video.

Clickbaits teach nothing

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems we get to see Solar Auxilia Artillery next week.

Warhammer Community wrote: We’re dipping back into Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis next week, with some impressive cannons big enough to shake the earth.

Earthshaker Cannon, I'm guessing?