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SamusDrake wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Here is a quote from this thread on the day of that announcement which already says later this year not next month so if it was changed is happened within a few minutes after it was posted and was only a mistake.
And I was looking at the article myself back then right when it was posted and I'm very sure it never said anything about following month. If you want to look it up yourself its on page 86

I've already quoted it so obviously I found the article.

Anyway, "a little later in the year" is now the official word, so fair enough.

I quoted a post from this thread which was maid a few minutes after the article went live, so no editing there. What it says here is what it said back then.
But yes it doesn't matter anyway

Edit: misunderstood you here since you said article not post, sorry

 Matrindur wrote:



Edit: misunderstood you here since you said article not post, sorry

No worries. To be honest I'm glad its later as I've been dreading an expensive month ahead.

Going back to LI, every rules article since the SA one was on a Monday and since we didn't get anything today we might need to wait until next week to get the flyer article

Probably tomorrow when its quiet on Warcom.

Interestingly the AT core set is back in stock on the webstore so maybe they are preparing to at least rerelease the AT stuff for now?

 Matrindur wrote:
Interestingly the AT core set is back in stock on the webstore so maybe they are preparing to at least rerelease the AT stuff for now?

Maybe...

However, I think the main problem with AT product going back on the shelves would be the boxes. If they had a bunch of boxes that were dual use for both LI and AT, they likely don't want to use those at this time. So they would need to get AT-only boxes, which would likely require a new (and unplanned) print run. How long would that take? They wouldn't necessarily have to rebox (since the boxes will be good *eventually*). So the only delay would revolve around getting the interim boxes out.

However, since this is the AT starter, it doesn't need to be a dual-use box. In fact, that might even be inappropriate since this box includes significant stuff (most notably, the core rules book) that can't be used in LI. LI players shouldn't buy it. So this specific box is probably not going to be a dual-use box with branding for both games. As a result, it's hard to say whether this means anything for the line as a whole.

On the other hand, I could be wrong. They might be saying, "Screw it. We had planned to get the AT stuff back on the shelves on this date, and the dual-use boxes aren't the end of the world. Go ahead and let them be the first LI-branded product on store shelves. The AT players will still buy them."

Eumerin wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Interestingly the AT core set is back in stock on the webstore so maybe they are preparing to at least rerelease the AT stuff for now?

Maybe...

However, I think the main problem with AT product going back on the shelves would be the boxes. If they had a bunch of boxes that were dual use for both LI and AT, they likely don't want to use those at this time. So they would need to get AT-only boxes, which would likely require a new (and unplanned) print run. How long would that take? They wouldn't necessarily have to rebox (since the boxes will be good *eventually*). So the only delay would revolve around getting the interim boxes out.

However, since this is the AT starter, it doesn't need to be a dual-use box. In fact, that might even be inappropriate since this box includes significant stuff (most notably, the core rules book) that can't be used in LI. LI players shouldn't buy it. So this specific box is probably not going to be a dual-use box with branding for both games. As a result, it's hard to say whether this means anything for the line as a whole.

On the other hand, I could be wrong. They might be saying, "Screw it. We had planned to get the AT stuff back on the shelves on this date, and the dual-use boxes aren't the end of the world. Go ahead and let them be the first LI-branded product on store shelves. The AT players will still buy them."

Thats probably true but I wonder if they might still put the new lower bases in it? Of course the images on the webstore don't show them but That could just be because they didn't make new ones.
For individual Titans/Knights they will probably have both bases in the box but I wonder how they do it for the AT starter

 Matrindur wrote:
Interestingly the AT core set is back in stock on the webstore so maybe they are preparing to at least rerelease the AT stuff for now?

While it's impossible to know for sure, this strikes me as a planned cross sell instead of a redirection.

The release of LI would bring more curious players into AT, so have the starter available alongside the anticipated LI release date.

Then the spanner went into the works on LI...

Could also just be related to the intention of reprinting the various titans for LI, so may as well reprint the other bits needed to restock the AT starter and just do a larger Titan print run.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/heresy-thursday-crush-armies-underfoot-with-entire-battle-groups-of-pint-sized-imperial-knights-and-titans/

Hey kid, wanna buy discounted big tiny robots?

Note those boxes come with the weapon cards and terminals for AT.

Definitely up for the Knight set.

I dread to think what those cost but DAMN I want them

The titan set comes with a warlord, reaver, and two warhounds. When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be? Unless you're playing *really* big LI games, I'm guessing that will remain an AT set. Or a "here's a lot of things you might want, though never all at once" set.

 Skinflint Games wrote:
I dread to think what those cost but DAMN I want them

Essentially the same boxed sets were released for Xmas in 2018/19. IIRC the Knight one was £80 and the four titans were £100.

Eumerin wrote:
The titan set comes with a warlord, reaver, and two warhounds. When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be? Unless you're playing *really* big LI games, I'm guessing that will remain an AT set. Or a "here's a lot of things you might want, though never all at once" set.

OR, it could be an indication it will not be too long after release that GW plans to make Titan Legios into a full force option for LI.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Note those boxes come with the weapon cards and terminals for AT.

And the new, thin LI bases, but "the thicker bases will still be available separately" (and I think most already are).

 Skinflint Games wrote:
I dread to think what those cost but DAMN I want them

Last time they were out quite hefty discount as usual for christmas boxes.

 ikeulhu wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
The titan set comes with a warlord, reaver, and two warhounds. When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be? Unless you're playing *really* big LI games, I'm guessing that will remain an AT set. Or a "here's a lot of things you might want, though never all at once" set.

OR, it could be an indication it will not be too long after release that GW plans to make Titan Legios into a full force option for LI.

I hope it's not an indication that GW are removing the individual titans from sale to be replaced by this.

When has gw removed full price kits and keep just discount box?

Eumerin wrote:
When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be?

1,675 if the leaks are right.


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tneva82 wrote:
When has gw removed full price kits and keep just discount box?

When they doubled the size of Marine & Stormcast boxes, and some of the Start Collecting boxes.

tneva82 wrote:
When has gw removed full price kits and keep just discount box?

I can't see it happening neither.

The AT starter set - even if replaced with a new one - is already offering good discount and there's a forthcoming plastic Direwolves set. On top of that the Legions launch(starter set?) has two Warhounds as well.

Charging a lot for a box of 6 Iron Hands veteran legs but it comes with a lot of other stuff in the box.

They confirmed on Twitter that these are limited releases

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Note those boxes come with the weapon cards and terminals for AT.

Really hoping its not the terrible thin paper terminals

tneva82 wrote:
When has gw removed full price kits and keep just discount box?

I'm not a GW historian, so I have no idea, it just seems like a thing someone might do to reduce warehouse space and shelf storage space if they don't shift a large number of individual models.

beast_gts wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
When combined with the two warhounds already in the LI starter, I'm curious how many points that will be?

1,675 if the leaks are right.

2335 if you include the Warhounds from the starter, 1675 would be the force in just that box.

So basically the box contains about twice as many points as you are actually able to field in a standard size nu-epic game. Standard size is 3k, allies can be up to 30% of your points, which means you cap at 900 unless you play a much larger game.

Do we know Titan Legions have no list of their own in LI?

no primary list by now
if they are added with a supplement anytime soon is unknown