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You can just... not, if it's that much of a hassle

I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

Noooooooooo! All is lost!

 caladancid wrote:
I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

wait…how…what? I’m out of the loop. How do people know these things?
/shakes fist at cloud
//naps

 caladancid wrote:
I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

The rumour was pre-order Nov 4th, which will be confirmed (or not) next Sunday 29th.

So from what I have read, Cities of Sigmar is the new release so definitely no LI in the forthcoming week?

 Pacific wrote:
So from what I have read, Cities of Sigmar is the new release so definitely no LI in the forthcoming week?

Correct.

 Fugazi wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

wait…how…what? I’m out of the loop. How do people know these things?
/shakes fist at cloud
//naps

Each sunday around 6pm uk time gw reveals preorders for next saturday. Today loads of aos stuff. So we know 29.10 there's no LI preorders and thus earliest preorder date is 4.11. Which will be revealed week from now if that's the date.

tneva82 wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

wait…how…what? I’m out of the loop. How do people know these things?
/shakes fist at cloud
//naps

Each sunday around 6pm uk time gw reveals preorders for next saturday. Today loads of aos stuff. So we know 29.10 there's no LI preorders and thus earliest preorder date is 4.11. Which will be revealed week from now if that's the date.

And given the new two week preorder windows for all products (including ebooks lol), 4 Nov is out.

Eh we had stuff preorder while marine 2 week came so just because there's 2 week preorder(there's been more preorders announced every week since marines were announced) doesn't mean more preorders can't come.

Nov 4 for preorders still possibiilty.

tneva82 wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:

 caladancid wrote:
I guess that solves whether LI is releasing by November 4.

wait…how…what? I’m out of the loop. How do people know these things?
/shakes fist at cloud
//naps

Each sunday around 6pm uk time gw reveals preorders for next saturday. Today loads of aos stuff. So we know 29.10 there's no LI preorders and thus earliest preorder date is 4.11. Which will be revealed week from now if that's the date.

Thank you tneva82 (and caladancid’s subsequent post) for taking the time to explain.

This is going to be pushing it close too christmas, so I may not bother pre-ordering at all.

Every year I've had multiple large orders get messed up having been made in November. My other half always orders quite a bit for club projects/gifts, and has to split things in to multiple €50 orders just to try and get something from the orders delivered on time.

We've spent weeks, and at one point months, chasing and chasing November orders because GW have the worst stock allocation system known to any retailer.

The only way around making sure I get something from this eventual pre-order is to order it from two of my local stores & GW direct. Then whoever actually gets allocated the stock first and sends it out, I cancel the other two orders.

It might be less annoying to wait until they finally restock everything when the hype has died down next year. Its hard to know with GW if the 'starter box' is exactly that, or just a one off hype set.

Maybe I'll settle for the tiles and not bother with any other models until local stores start selling them off cheap near the end of its life (Like I picked up most of AI on huge discount). The release is one of the most botched I think I've seen GW ever do. (Cursed City at least got released)

Are the Tiles pre painted? I checked the original article and I dont think it mentions it.

VAYASEN wrote:
Are the Tiles pre painted? I checked the original article and I dont think it mentions it.

Doubtful. The necromunda ones are not. Just regular GW grey plastic.

 RexHavoc wrote:
This is going to be pushing it close too christmas, so I may not bother pre-ordering at all.

Some of us have been speculating that the release might be timed to coincide with Black Friday - Nov 24th which would need a pre-order by Nov 18th. Another question is, will all LI release be pushed back to accommodate the delay? Or will the first two scheduled releases happen closer together so LI can get back to the original release schedule?

 Breotan wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
This is going to be pushing it close too christmas, so I may not bother pre-ordering at all.

Some of us have been speculating that the release might be timed to coincide with Black Friday - Nov 24th which would need a pre-order by Nov 18th. Another question is, will all LI release be pushed back to accommodate the delay? Or will the first two scheduled releases happen closer together so LI can get back to the original release schedule?

Since they already showed off many/all? models of the first expansion book I really don't see them delaying that too. It might not release on the same day but I would expect a month later max.
Also they are currently doing 2 week preorders so for Nov 25th (release dates are on Saturday) preorder would be on Nov 11th. But personally I would bet on a preorder next week with release on the 18th

Remember as well that this has been so delayed that the units that were meant to have been released with the 2nd book will nowbe out in the first wave.
There are supposedly no rules for bikes and several other units in the base rule set and are covered in an expansion book.
Likely the expansion book will be out almost immediately as well.

A botched released doesn't even begin to cover this.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Remember as well that this has been so delayed that the units that were meant to have been released with the 2nd book will nowbe out in the first wave.

I find it very implausible that any expansion will be released this side of the holidays.

The core release of LI will already come with such a ridiculous number of SKUs by necessity, including the launch box, terrain, reboxed AT/AI models, and several wave 1 kits. Then there's the discounted Xmas battleforces to squeeze in too.

At a certain point GW are just competing with themselves by releasing too much at once. The expansion models are being shown now as a means to generate marketing hype for the overall game, and indicate ongoing support for anyone on the fence about buying in.

 xttz wrote:
At a certain point GW are just competing with themselves by releasing too much at once.

That's my concern. In order to prevent this, the entire release schedule may be bumped.

 xttz wrote:
The expansion models are being shown now as a means to generate marketing hype for the overall game, and indicate ongoing support for anyone on the fence about buying in.

I'm not so sure. I think the marketing stuff has its own schedule, especially articles in WD.

GW is already beyond that point

Main competition for a GW game is another GW game launched from a different department and nothing else
And GW sees the competition for specialist games, in other specialist games and not with the main games

So LI must get back on track and within their planned release cycle to not only avoid conflict with other games but also for that department to avoid taking space and time needed for their other work.

That they cannot delay any expansion already ready to go was clear from the beginning.
What is a suprise here is that the first expansion was planned so close to the original release

 Breotan wrote:

 xttz wrote:
At a certain point GW are just competing with themselves by releasing too much at once.

That's my concern. In order to prevent this, the entire release schedule may be bumped.

I too think having everything on LI in the core and expansion scheduled releases all at once, even in 2 week pre-order, may be too much for GW logistics to handle. Mainly because there are other things that must be released for Christmas and can't be delayed.

Wouldn't be surprised if the expansion stuff is delayed even further into 2024.

 kodos wrote:
That they cannot delay any expansion already ready to go was clear from the beginning.
What is a suprise here is that the first expansion was planned so close to the original release

It's hardly a surprise at all, 3 months is a very typical release cadence for specialist games. I'd bet that this first expansion was originally planned for November, following an August launch.

 kodos wrote:
GW is already beyond that point

Main competition for a GW game is another GW game launched from a different department and nothing else
And GW sees the competition for specialist games, in other specialist games and not with the main games

So LI must get back on track and within their planned release cycle to not only avoid conflict with other games but also for that department to avoid taking space and time needed for their other work.

They'll be getting back on track by compressing the releases for the first 2 or 3 months. We know from early articles that GW didn't plan to release everything on day one in August, so it seems plausible that the original plan was something like:

August: launch box & terrain
Sept/Oct: Baneblades / kratos / rhinos / etc
Nov: first expansion book / drop pods

Now we may well get that August/Sept stuff together at launch, but I doubt it's going to be very much more. GW know well enough that the majority of lifetime sales for their kits are generated at peak hype on a release weekend, and also that most customers will have a finite budget. Regardless of the delay so far putting out 3-4 months of releases in one go does not result in all customers having 3-4 months worth of hobby budget to splurge on one weekend; it just means they end up substituting items and makes individual kits much less profitable than before.

It's much smarter for GW to delay things like the expansion book / drop pod / fast attack boxes into 2024 and maximise sales for as much as possible. We'll still have more than enough tiny grey plastic to keep us occupied for the remainder of 2023!

 Matrindur wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
This is going to be pushing it close too christmas, so I may not bother pre-ordering at all.

Some of us have been speculating that the release might be timed to coincide with Black Friday - Nov 24th which would need a pre-order by Nov 18th. Another question is, will all LI release be pushed back to accommodate the delay? Or will the first two scheduled releases happen closer together so LI can get back to the original release schedule?

Since they already showed off many/all? models of the first expansion book I really don't see them delaying that too. It might not release on the same day but I would expect a month later max.
Also they are currently doing 2 week preorders so for Nov 25th (release dates are on Saturday) preorder would be on Nov 11th. But personally I would bet on a preorder next week with release on the 18th

Note that if GW wants Legions Imperials to be a Black Friday release, it will actually release on Friday. GW did that last year with the Cadian launch box.

 Geifer wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
This is going to be pushing it close too christmas, so I may not bother pre-ordering at all.

Some of us have been speculating that the release might be timed to coincide with Black Friday - Nov 24th which would need a pre-order by Nov 18th. Another question is, will all LI release be pushed back to accommodate the delay? Or will the first two scheduled releases happen closer together so LI can get back to the original release schedule?

Since they already showed off many/all? models of the first expansion book I really don't see them delaying that too. It might not release on the same day but I would expect a month later max.
Also they are currently doing 2 week preorders so for Nov 25th (release dates are on Saturday) preorder would be on Nov 11th. But personally I would bet on a preorder next week with release on the 18th

Note that if GW wants Legions Imperials to be a Black Friday release, it will actually release on Friday. GW did that last year with the Cadian launch box.

They did? Didn't know that. That actually makes it more likely I think.
So or so I would be surprised if it takes longer than that to at least release the launch box

Yeah, even bought a Cadian box at the time. GW did an extraordinary two week (well, thirteen days) pre-order, too. I suppose it won't be extraordinary if they do the same this year.

 xttz wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Remember as well that this has been so delayed that the units that were meant to have been released with the 2nd book will nowbe out in the first wave.

I find it very implausible that any expansion will be released this side of the holidays.

The core release of LI will already come with such a ridiculous number of SKUs by necessity, including the launch box, terrain, reboxed AT/AI models, and several wave 1 kits. Then there's the discounted Xmas battleforces to squeeze in too.

At a certain point GW are just competing with themselves by releasing too much at once. The expansion models are being shown now as a means to generate marketing hype for the overall game, and indicate ongoing support for anyone on the fence about buying in.

In counter, I'll note that the first expansion products are probably taking up warehouse space as I write this. Products taking up warehouse space that aren't being moved to retailers are products that are costing the company money. It's in GW's interests to get product moving as quickly as possible, and not have it gathering dust in the warehouse.

These production and release schedules are planned months if not years in advance aren't they. My feeling is, if there has been an 'interruption' for LI (whatever may have caused that, be it production delays or the books needing to be reprinted) they might well compress the initial launch and wave 1 into a single release - especially as the battle report featured things from the expansion, it seems a little counter-intuitive to effectively 'advertise' something that customers cannot buy yet.
For regular WD readers, is this something that is done commonly?

On a separate note, quite incredible that this thread is now at 131 pages and over a third of a million views, and the game has yet to even be released!

If stuff is made already, it's certainly in their best interest to move it... but it's also in their interest to watch for the opportunity cost: it might be more profitable for them to keep the LI expansion stuff gathering dust and instead move other items at this point in time, just because they move faster.

Yeah this kind of stuff will be taking up much more warehouse space than an expansion book, drop pods, and bikes:

Starter boxes

Terrain

Xmas knight/titan boxes

High-volume core units like rhinos & baneblades

Repackaged AT & AI kits

By pushing too much at once they could well end up with a lot of that still on shelves.

They just should thin down their releases and low down how fast they release them. Sooner or later they will burst their sales...