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Vorian wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am well aware. The reductio ad absurdum of that argument being, obviously, to manufacture a single box and sell it for £110.000.

The real question is where the sales axis meets the perceived value axis. Clearly GW doesn't think that drawing in extra customers by making the game more affordable would offset reduced profit per customer.

I think their ability to manufacture enough stuff is a pretty big factor. They struggle to satisfy the demand they have at the current prices.

^ THIS. What's he purpose of decreasing prices (either absolute or relative by increasing the number of items in a box) if you are not able to produce enough?!? And please don't tell me they could buy additional machines... that's a huge investment (and therefore risk)...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am well aware. The reductio ad absurdum of that argument being, obviously, to manufacture a single box and sell it for £110.000.

The real question is where the sales axis meets the perceived value axis. Clearly GW doesn't think that drawing in extra customers by making the game more affordable would offset reduced profit per customer.

Apart from GW having bad experiences with when it tries that only works when they can produce more but when they are already underproducing it results in 0% more sales and lower price per box sold.

Can't sell more if you can't produce enough to fulfill new sales.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The reductio ad absurdum of that argument being, obviously, to manufacture a single box and sell it for £110.000..

Well, that's pretty much the whole business model of luxury companies, and why their CEOs are amongst the richest men on Earth.

Even if GW is considered "the Rolls Royce of miniature games", they're actually and absolutely NOT the same thing. Because their target customer base isn't billionnaires.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am well aware. The reductio ad absurdum of that argument being, obviously, to manufacture a single box and sell it for £110.000.

The real question is where the sales axis meets the perceived value axis. Clearly GW doesn't think that drawing in extra customers by making the game more affordable would offset reduced profit per customer.

Apart from GW having bad experiences with when it tries that only works when they can produce more but when they are already underproducing it results in 0% more sales and lower price per box sold.

Can't sell more if you can't produce enough to fulfill new sales.

Well, that's a fair point

I guess we'll know if they're releasing LI next month when the collector's coin is announced.

odinfellhammer wrote:
I guess we'll know if they're releasing LI next month when the collector's coin is announced.

Or by the 18th when the last opportunity to pre-order goes by.

It could just be a coincidence, or maybe related to the LI release, but GW finally restocked the Horus Heresy Aeronautica Imperialis book here in Oz. No idea if it was out of stock anywhere else, but over here it sold out almost instantly on release day and I mostly gave up waiting for it to pop up again.

 Breotan wrote:

odinfellhammer wrote:
I guess we'll know if they're releasing LI next month when the collector's coin is announced.

Or by the 18th when the last opportunity to pre-order goes by.

Well we know on 12th whether 18th is the preorder day.

I do not believe we will see the annoucement of Epic on this Sunday...

What do you think?

Given everything they need to roll out, before the 40K/AoS Army bundles take priority in December, they'll need more than a fortnight for the launch set, terrain and repackaged AT kits. Those are the absolute essentials and maybe the odd kit like the earlier support groups.

I'm assuming everything else previewed so far will trickle out in the new year.

SamusDrake wrote:
Given everything they need to roll out, before the 40K/AoS Army bundles take priority in December, they'll need more than a fortnight for the launch set, terrain and repackaged AT kits. Those are the absolute essentials and maybe the odd kit like the earlier support groups.

I'm assuming everything else previewed so far will trickle out in the new year.

Looking at how much went up yesterday I can see three preorders being enough for LI. One for the launch set, the terrain and all the rereleased AT/AI stuff, one for every individual box from the inital wave and one for everything from the second wave. Granted that doesn't mean they won't split it up further, just that I believe its possible to finish everything in three weeks.
Also I only expect the first two this year, the expansion wave will likely only come early next year

tneva82 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

odinfellhammer wrote:
I guess we'll know if they're releasing LI next month when the collector's coin is announced.

Or by the 18th when the last opportunity to pre-order goes by.

Well we know on 12th whether 18th is the preorder day.

Typically the coin is in stores around mid-month, so for November likely the 18th. That date also always ties into the in-store date of the related product, meaning LI would need to go up on preorder Nov 4th and get confirmed today.

I think today will bring the launch box, terrain, re-releases of any AT/AI kits, plus a handful of early core units like rhinos. Anything recently announced such as drop pods, land raiders, and jetbikes will get shelved until New Year.

 xttz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

odinfellhammer wrote:
I guess we'll know if they're releasing LI next month when the collector's coin is announced.

Or by the 18th when the last opportunity to pre-order goes by.

Well we know on 12th whether 18th is the preorder day.

Typically the coin is in stores around mid-month, so for November likely the 18th. That date also always ties into the in-store date of the related product, meaning LI would need to go up on preorder Nov 4th and get confirmed today.

I think today will bring the launch box, terrain, re-releases of any AT/AI kits, plus a handful of early core units like rhinos. Anything recently announced such as drop pods, land raiders, and jetbikes will get shelved until New Year.

The coin isn't necessarily available at the same time as the release its meant for, just the same month. Its often available earlier in the month too. The free model on the other hand is always coming together with a release. But these two also don't have to be for the same release

 xttz wrote:
I think today will bring the launch box, terrain, re-releases of any AT/AI kits, plus a handful of early core units like rhinos. Anything recently announced such as drop pods, land raiders, and jetbikes will get shelved until New Year.

I was expecting the first wave to be the starter box and core rulebook, scenery kits, 6 unit boxes (including the dire wolves), bases, detachment cards, and all the reboxed AT and AI kits.

Then I realised that's about 36+ SKUs, and given the recent issues I'm not confident GW can actually handle that at the moment. I now thinking they might delay the re-release of the AT and AI kits.

1. Instead of arguing about price, just stop being poor, duh. /s

2. There was an LI coin out in the wild when it was supposed to release. Stores held that back and we got the Ghur coin instead.

3. My bet is battleforces, but we'll see in about 2 hours from this post.

Have we managed to figure out what boxes the starter set is made up of yet?

A quick glance gave me this:

1 box of Legion Marine infantry
1/2 box of Predators
1/2 box of Sicarans

1 box of Solar Auxilia infantry
1/2 box of Leman Russ Tanks
1/2 box of Malcador Tanks

1 box of Warhound Titans

 Ohman wrote:
Have we managed to figure out what boxes the starter set is made up of yet?

There's been no official confirmation yet on how the starter box stuff will be split up. Most people are (fairly) assuming it will be sold as ~£30 boxes of 2 duplicated sprues, but lots of other combinations are possible.

For example they could sell 3 preds & 2 sicarans together, or bulk package four infantry sprues in a similar way to how core HH infantry are sold as 20 models per box.

did you Brits recently set your clocks back or something? No preview article so far.

chaos0xomega wrote:
did you Brits recently set your clocks back or something? No preview article so far.

Yep, clocks went back this morning for us.

Yup. Clocks went back this morning. So regardless of what my body is telling me, it’s currently 17:49pm

Not this week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/29/sunday-preview-the-squats-of-jardlan-seek-aid-in-the-underhive/

well, should be up within the next few minutes then

EDIT - its up. No LI.

Boooooo!!!! Boooo I say, booooooooooooo.

And not just because it’s Halloween.

chaos0xomega wrote:
well, should be up within the next few minutes then

EDIT - its up. No LI.

Really boring week, with a Necron reveal.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Boooooo!!!! Boooo I say, booooooooooooo.

And not just because it’s Halloween.

"Sooner than you think"

Clearly GW has no real insight into how its customer base thinks Sooner than I think was like... a month ago.

 xttz wrote:
Not this week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/29/sunday-preview-the-squats-of-jardlan-seek-aid-in-the-underhive/

This just looks like another missed release window to me, pushing out a few Forge World kits and no plastic.

Honestly this is ridiculous at this point. This has to be the biggest bodged release GW have ever done. There is no way that they can put a pre-order up mid way through November and have any hope of having the game in peoples hands before Christmas. Next week would have cut it close as it was, but now there is no chance to not have it lost in the Christmas rush.

We have a saying in my gaming group chat- "never order anything from GW in November, that you don't want until sometime early spring"

I feel bad for the chaps that made the game & convinced management that epic was still a viable and popular scale/game to bring back. Not only will this release be too close to christmas, but people nostalgic for those good old 80s/90s GW vibes now will only have mere weeks between two of the biggest specialist game releases. I'm sure a lot of people will need to choose between Epic & TOW if they have winter bills to be paying.

That said, I'll buy the hell out of the tiles still. I have enough vanguard/other 6mm terrain that I could fill my current gaming space and still have left overs but don't have a decent board/layout for it all. But I'll be pencilling in a group building session for them for 6 months time when they finally arrive, rather than our usual christmas session!

Honestly, I'd not be shocked if they were to turn around and say it was cancelled until such time in the future.

twentypence wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Not this week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/29/sunday-preview-the-squats-of-jardlan-seek-aid-in-the-underhive/

This just looks like another missed release window to me, pushing out a few Forge World kits and no plastic.

Me too. I thought if Epic wasn't this week then it would for sure be Kill Team.

Now I'm worried LI is going to be late Nov / Early Dec, as GW love to put the biggest preorders on weekends when most people get paid.

Gather the mob! Get the pitchforks and torches!