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 RexHavoc wrote:
Not only will this release be too close to christmas, but people nostalgic for those good old 80s/90s GW vibes now will only have mere weeks between two of the biggest specialist game releases. I'm sure a lot of people will need to choose between Epic & TOW if they have winter bills to be paying.

Li can still be in stores 25.11 and tow is confirmed for february.

Even in worst case over month between the two.

tneva82 wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
Not only will this release be too close to christmas, but people nostalgic for those good old 80s/90s GW vibes now will only have mere weeks between two of the biggest specialist game releases. I'm sure a lot of people will need to choose between Epic & TOW if they have winter bills to be paying.

Li can still be in stores 25.11 and tow is confirmed for february.

Even in worst case over month between the two.

Indeed. And in terms of it getting closer to Christmas, well, Blood Bowl and Necromunda were both releases around Black Friday, and there's at least another week that would allow the same for Legions Imperialis.

Attention GW.

This is not sooner than I might think.


That is all.

Pre order the 18th, release dec 2nd is now the likely release window.

Yea with just 3 resin minis I would guess this slot was intended for a LI expansion wave.

On their FB page, someone asked, "Where's LI?" to which FW responded, "We will let you know as soon as we get a release date for Legions Imperialis"

They don't even have a release date yet. At this point, I think late Jan - early Feb is optimistic. *sigh*

I really want to know what the screwup with the book was. This long of a delay suggests it wasn't just something simple like sections being assembled out of order, but something more serious that required a whole new print run. A new printing would have to be worked into the printer's existing backlog which could very well be the reason it's taking this long.

That's a generic non answer. I asked where the cities release was last week and they said the same.

Yeah they absolutely know the upcoming schedule; articles are written some time in advance. There was also a recent seemingly-accidental tweet saying TOW would release in February (in line with previous rumours) but that got pulled.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea with just 3 resin minis I would guess this slot was intended for a LI expansion wave.

Alternating between a large and then very light releases seems to be the standard pattern now since they went to two-week preorders. Before AOS the previous release was essentially just a book & single Necromunda kit.

 Breotan wrote:
On their FB page, someone asked, "Where's LI?" to which FW responded, "We will let you know as soon as we get a release date for Legions Imperialis"

They don't even have a release date yet. At this point, I think late Jan - early Feb is optimistic. *sigh*

I really want to know what the screwup with the book was. This long of a delay suggests it wasn't just something simple like sections being assembled out of order, but something more serious that required a whole new print run. A new printing would have to be worked into the printer's existing backlog which could very well be the reason it's taking this long.

Any problem with the book would have required a whole new print run. You can't unstitch sections and put them back together in another order. The length of delay doesn't indicate anything meaningful about what happened.

They ended up with a hole in their release schedule, which is why this week is a nothing week with just FW releases, and this is after shifting to 2 week pre-order windows.

What's happening over there? How extensive was this reprint of LI?

I am not 100% sure I got this right but apparently the same person who posted the Astra Militarum battleforce image early and has been a source of correct rumours in the past said the next preorders would be:

Battleforces -> Admech/Necrons -> LI


That would mean a November 25th preorder with either a December 2nd or 9th release depending if its a two week preorder or not.

Would at least still be a Black Friday preorder this way

 Matrindur wrote:
the same person who posted the Astra Militarum battleforce image early and has been a source of correct rumours in the past

Who is this?

 Matrindur wrote:
Battleforces -> Admech/Necrons -> LI

Do we take that to mean the new KT stuff will be next year?

 xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
the same person who posted the Astra Militarum battleforce image early and has been a source of correct rumours in the past

Who is this?

Only heard it second hand over on tga so take it with salt, and the only thing I know is its a spanish streamer that also said a few things about TOW and seems to have a contact inside GW.
Again not 100% sure that guy is even the source for the above release rumours as I'm just connecting some dots here but we'll see next week anyway.
If the Battleforces are announced, which would be a bit early this ear as they only went up in the last November week/first December week before, the above is likely to be true.

 Breotan wrote:
On their FB page, someone asked, "Where's LI?" to which FW responded, "We will let you know as soon as we get a release date for Legions Imperialis"

They don't even have a release date yet. At this point, I think late Jan - early Feb is optimistic. *sigh*

I really want to know what the screwup with the book was. This long of a delay suggests it wasn't just something simple like sections being assembled out of order, but something more serious that required a whole new print run. A new printing would have to be worked into the printer's existing backlog which could very well be the reason it's taking this long.

How you decided that?

You DO realize right they never ever tell you in advance what they haven't published?

If they are to announce it on 5.11(this sunday) 6pm UK time if you ask them and they answer at 5pm that's EXACT SAME ANSWER you will get.

That's their standard copy&paste answer they give out whenever somebody asks for "when" to something GW hasn't already officially announced release date...

Trying to decide deeper meaning than "sorry we haven't yet announced officially release date" is waste of time.

Oh and if there was any problem with the book then new print run was going to be required in any case. Books were printed. They were packed. They were even sent. If book was in error that mandates new print run.

GW said by this year and so far nothing GW has done indicates further delays. Certainly not standard copy&paste answer they say down until last minute before GW officially announces date. It's GW's polite way of saying "please don't ask what we can't answer anyway". It's waste of time to ask from GW when they release something they haven't announced release date yet because the community staff aren't ALLOWED to say(quite likely they literally don't know. Can't slip something you haven't been told of...). But they sure as hell can't respond "please stop being stupid enough to ask when we can't tell. You are just wasting your and my time" Eventhough they probably get frustrated themselves when being barraged by questions they can't answer.

Greenfield wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
On their FB page, someone asked, "Where's LI?" to which FW responded, "We will let you know as soon as we get a release date for Legions Imperialis"

They don't even have a release date yet. At this point, I think late Jan - early Feb is optimistic. *sigh*

I really want to know what the screwup with the book was. This long of a delay suggests it wasn't just something simple like sections being assembled out of order, but something more serious that required a whole new print run. A new printing would have to be worked into the printer's existing backlog which could very well be the reason it's taking this long.

Any problem with the book would have required a whole new print run. You can't unstitch sections and put them back together in another order. The length of delay doesn't indicate anything meaningful about what happened.

Also, depending on at what point the decision was made, changing the book might involve unpacking and re-assembling every item that contained the book. It sounds like a logistical headache for many reasons.

Since whole boxes were sent odds are that's what it did involve...

So yeah. Not something GW would have done lightly. Which makes curious what on earth WAS so bad.

Obviously nothing related to rules as that would have been solved by errata/put missing rules downloadable.

Found on Bolter and Chainsword. Looks like from twitter.



https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379382-legions-imperialis/?do=findComment&comment=5998424

That links to a deleted post. What did it say?

RazorEdge wrote:
Found on Bolter and Chainsword. Looks like from twitter.



https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379382-legions-imperialis/?do=findComment&comment=5998424

Deleted, whatever it was.

Good that I saved the Screenshot...

User posted this and that it was found on a Discord Channel.

Could be fake, but who knows.

tneva82 wrote:
Since whole boxes were sent odds are that's what it did involve...

So yeah. Not something GW would have done lightly. Which makes curious what on earth WAS so bad.

Obviously nothing related to rules as that would have been solved by errata/put missing rules downloadable.

Indeed. It's understandable people are getting frustrated by the delay, but a delay of three to four months was always to be expected once a reprint, repacking and subsequent distribution was required (assuming that is what happened).

tneva82 wrote:
Since whole boxes were sent odds are that's what it did involve...

So yeah. Not something GW would have done lightly. Which makes curious what on earth WAS so bad.

Obviously nothing related to rules as that would have been solved by errata/put missing rules downloadable.

The main reason that has been rumoured is that one of the missions was named Blood & Honour which is the name of a white nationalists group.

Another reason I heard lately was that the rulebook bindings where poorly done.

In the end we will never know (just that it should be something to do with the book as influencers where asked to send them back) but its probably a combination of everything. Any single problem would likely not been enough for GW to delay the launch but if multiple things are true they could have decided a delay and reprinting was worth it

 Matrindur wrote:
The main reason that has been rumoured is that one of the missions was named Blood & Honour which is the name of a white nationalists group.

I hope the reason for the reprint is something more substantive than that.

The German term was the slogan of the Hitler Youth and is illegal to use in Germany

The English version is the name of a Neo-Nazi group active in the UK.

Can see why the wanted to avoid having books out with that slogan in the UK in context of the 30k/40k universe

Whatever the "screwup" is, it doesn't matter. What happened with Cursed City should be telling us that people make a scandal until the thing gets actually (re)released and then same people do not care at all (mostly because they moved to the next scandal to be angry about and they never really cared about it from the beginning).

Just wait and see, meanwhile reflecting on the complete artificiality of preview hype and pre-orders (with all companies, not just GW), and just buy the game when it's actually out in stores (or maybe wait a couple years later to buy "the finished product", and never care about "limited releases /collector editions").

It's much saner that way rather than expressing your frustration of knowing of not having the great honor of pre-ordering boxes of 10mm scale space marines next week that you won't have time to paint / build after a while anyway.

You know it gets ridiculous when people are looking for rumors about the actual date of the pre-order of LI. And that other people do take time to make fake rumors on that matter in hope people actually believe it.

The printing error and delay don't bother me anywhere near as much as the poor communication.

I don't mind waiting until the end of the year if only they'd just say it will be Nov or Dec, instead of this coy "sooner than you think" nonsense.

 xttz wrote:
The printing error and delay don't bother me anywhere near as much as the poor communication.

Can't blame GW to be cautious after the initial delay.

GW previews that are never "up to the Hype" self-built by unreasonnable expectations from their customers ? People are angry.
A GW product doesn't appear on sunday pre-order preview (a completely insane concept, when you think about it : a preview of the next pre-order ) ? People are angry.
Some poor guy messing up announcements on official twitter ? People are angry.
A rumor turns out not to be true, even if it was never official anyway ? People are angry.

It's always poor communication no matter what GW does. So of course after a while, they stop saying anything. Because people are getting angry anyway. Knowing the cause won't change the waiting time, see the Cursed City case for example.


It's been a while I decided to put the whole thing into perspective and stop being into the emotion (that's what Hype is). Turns out I already have a big pile of shame at home and that adding more 10mm scale space marines to the collection won't make it smaller, so waiting for more time isn't such a bad idea in the end - both for my motivation and my wallet (pre-order money is hostage money until the day the product is actually released, by the way ).

That's why I don't even mind if it gets released in 2024.

Well the way I heard it on Reddit, they recalled the books because they heard Mantic was making their own version, so they realized they better make a functioning ruleset and not just publish what they got from a cat walking across the keyboard.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well the way I heard it on Reddit, they recalled the books because they heard Mantic was making their own version, so they realized they better make a functioning ruleset and not just publish what they got from a cat walking across the keyboard.

That's a good joke...or maybe a cruel one, depending on how much you believe Mantic Games is actual competition to GW.